• Re: Alan Turing's Halting Problem is incorrectly formed --- first HPpost that I ever made

    From Richard Damon@Richard@Damon-Family.org to sci.logic,comp.theory on Sat Dec 13 22:41:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 12/13/25 10:24 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/6/2004 9:11 AM, Peter Olcott wrote:
    One very simple transformation of the problem into a solvable problem
    is to convert the Boolean function DoesItHalt() into a tertiary response:
    True, False, Neither.

    if (DoesItHalt() == True)
       while(True)   // loop forever
         ;
    else if (DoesItHalt() == False)
       return False;

    else if  (DoesItHalt() == NeitherTrueNorFalse)
       return NeitherTrueNorFalse;

    So the original Halting Problem was incorrectly formed specifically
    because it was framed as a Boolean function, thus failing to account
    for possible inputs that result in a reply other than True or False.






    But Neither is not the correct answer for the pathological program, as a
    given program will either halt or not.

    The problem is the pathological program, if given the Neither answer can
    make the decider wrong by doing either action, and thus both of those
    behavior prove the decider wrong. If fact, for your case above, your
    program halts, and thus the only correct answer would have been Halts.

    All you are doing is showing you don't understand what you are doing.

    Yes, we can perhaps argue that we can build a PARTIAL decider that gives
    an I DON'T KNOW answwer, but that is still not a complete solution, as
    adding an "I DON'T KNOW" as a possible answer means the trivial decider
    that always answers I DON'T KNOW is aways correct, but gives us no information.

    WIthout a criteria limiting when "I Don't Know" is valid, then that
    crsiteria is basically worthless.

    And, trying to make the critera based on the pathology of the proof
    program fails as the pathological program only needs to use an
    "equivalent" to the decider, and testing that two machines are
    equivelent is an uncomputable problem, so you can't tell if you actualy
    can do it.
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