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I'm a longtime user of Yahoo mail and in the past few days they've
apparently made some kind of upgrade to their site that doesn't allow
me to access the mail using TenFourFox on my G4 running Tiger. The
sign-in page will load, but the next page with the log in gives me a
"Bad Font detected" error, and the page doesn't respond at all when I
enter the password.

I was wondering if there's any tweak I could make to TenFourFox to
access Yahoo mail again, or perhaps use some other browser that will
run on Tiger. I use the G4 to maintain my website and correspond with customers, and it's going to be a big hassle to transfer the
correspondence to my newer iMac running Mojave via text files and an
ftp server. I think the page with the emails would still work if I
could get past the log in page.

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On 2026-07-09 19:02:08 +0000, super70s said:

I'm a longtime user of Yahoo mail and in the past few days they've apparently made some kind of upgrade to their site that doesn't allow
me to access the mail using TenFourFox on my G4 running Tiger. The
sign-in page will load, but the next page with the log in gives me a
"Bad Font detected" error, and the page doesn't respond at all when I
enter the password.

I was wondering if there's any tweak I could make to TenFourFox to
access Yahoo mail again, or perhaps use some other browser that will
run on Tiger. I use the G4 to maintain my website and correspond with customers, and it's going to be a big hassle to transfer the
correspondence to my newer iMac running Mojave via text files and an
ftp server. I think the page with the emails would still work if I
could get past the log in page.

Using a proper email program rather than the web browser might solve
the problem. :-)

The other way would be to use the newer Mac to read / reply to emails,
and then transfer any attachments back to the G4 via a USB stick or
network sharing when needed.

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On 2026-07-09 22:46:19 +0000, Your Name said:

On 2026-07-09 19:02:08 +0000, super70s said:

I'm a longtime user of Yahoo mail and in the past few days they've
apparently made some kind of upgrade to their site that doesn't allow
me to access the mail using TenFourFox on my G4 running Tiger. The
sign-in page will load, but the next page with the log in gives me a
"Bad Font detected" error, and the page doesn't respond at all when I
enter the password.

I was wondering if there's any tweak I could make to TenFourFox to
access Yahoo mail again, or perhaps use some other browser that will
run on Tiger. I use the G4 to maintain my website and correspond with
customers, and it's going to be a big hassle to transfer the
correspondence to my newer iMac running Mojave via text files and an
ftp server. I think the page with the emails would still work if I
could get past the log in page.

Using a proper email program rather than the web browser might solve
the problem. :-)

I guess I could just start using the TenFourBird email program set up
with my provider's service which still works on the G4 for the customer correspondence.

The other way would be to use the newer Mac to read / reply to emails,
and then transfer any attachments back to the G4 via a USB stick or
network sharing when needed.

I know but I was trying to avoid that.

I haven't mothballed the G4 because I have a printer and a scanner
hooked up to it and don't want to invest in new ones for the newer
iMac, also I can run a very early Classic version of Photoshop I like
on it that I'd have to go down the SheepShaver rabbit hole to emulate
on the newer iMac.

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On 2026-07-10 00:43:07 +0000, super70s said:

On 2026-07-09 22:46:19 +0000, Your Name said:

On 2026-07-09 19:02:08 +0000, super70s said:

I'm a longtime user of Yahoo mail and in the past few days they've
apparently made some kind of upgrade to their site that doesn't allow
me to access the mail using TenFourFox on my G4 running Tiger. The
sign-in page will load, but the next page with the log in gives me a
"Bad Font detected" error, and the page doesn't respond at all when I
enter the password.

I was wondering if there's any tweak I could make to TenFourFox to
access Yahoo mail again, or perhaps use some other browser that will
run on Tiger. I use the G4 to maintain my website and correspond with
customers, and it's going to be a big hassle to transfer the
correspondence to my newer iMac running Mojave via text files and an
ftp server. I think the page with the emails would still work if I
could get past the log in page.

Using a proper email program rather than the web browser might solve
the problem. :-)

I guess I could just start using the TenFourBird email program set up
with my provider's service which still works on the G4 for the customer correspondence.

The other way would be to use the newer Mac to read / reply to emails,
and then transfer any attachments back to the G4 via a USB stick or
network sharing when needed.

I know but I was trying to avoid that.

I haven't mothballed the G4 because I have a printer and a scanner
hooked up to it and don't want to invest in new ones for the newer iMac,

Both the scanner and printer might work on newer Mac, although the
original software probably won't work, so instead would mean using
something like VueScan and GutenPrint.

A few years ago, I did help someone update from a dying CRT G3 iMac to
an newer Intel LCD iMac, and surprisingly their *really* ancient
printer worked with no problems after simply connecting it to the newer
iMac.

also I can run a very early Classic version of Photoshop I like on it
that I'd have to go down the SheepShaver rabbit hole to emulate on the
newer iMac.

That could be a bigger problem, although SheepShaver is reasonably
stable (with a few quirks).

If it is a version of Photoshop that works in both MacOS 9 and early
MacOS X, then running Fusion, Parallels, or the free virtualisation
apps might be an option.




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On 2026-07-10 02:47:22 +0000, Your Name said:

On 2026-07-10 00:43:07 +0000, super70s said:

On 2026-07-09 22:46:19 +0000, Your Name said:

On 2026-07-09 19:02:08 +0000, super70s said:

I'm a longtime user of Yahoo mail and in the past few days they've
apparently made some kind of upgrade to their site that doesn't allow >>>> me to access the mail using TenFourFox on my G4 running Tiger. The
sign-in page will load, but the next page with the log in gives me a
"Bad Font detected" error, and the page doesn't respond at all when I >>>> enter the password.

I was wondering if there's any tweak I could make to TenFourFox to
access Yahoo mail again, or perhaps use some other browser that will
run on Tiger. I use the G4 to maintain my website and correspond with >>>> customers, and it's going to be a big hassle to transfer the
correspondence to my newer iMac running Mojave via text files and an
ftp server. I think the page with the emails would still work if I
could get past the log in page.

Using a proper email program rather than the web browser might solve
the problem. :-)

I guess I could just start using the TenFourBird email program set up
with my provider's service which still works on the G4 for the customer
correspondence.

The other way would be to use the newer Mac to read / reply to emails,
and then transfer any attachments back to the G4 via a USB stick or
network sharing when needed.

I know but I was trying to avoid that.

I haven't mothballed the G4 because I have a printer and a scanner
hooked up to it and don't want to invest in new ones for the newer iMac,

Both the scanner and printer might work on newer Mac, although the
original software probably won't work, so instead would mean using
something like VueScan and GutenPrint.

A few years ago, I did help someone update from a dying CRT G3 iMac to
an newer Intel LCD iMac, and surprisingly their *really* ancient
printer worked with no problems after simply connecting it to the newer iMac.

It's an old Canon flatbed scanner and I'm already using VueScan
software for it, I'm pretty sure that software (very picky as to which versions will work with particular scanners) wouldn't work on a Mid
2014 iMac running Mojave. The printer is also a Canon, older Pixma
model, but I doubt if its software would run on the newer iMac either
and I don't know if they have any updated software for such an old
model.

Both of those are hard wired to the G4, I suppose I could buy some kind
of printer/scanner combo that uses Bluetooth for the newer iMac but I
just don't want to hassle with it.

also I can run a very early Classic version of Photoshop I like on it
that I'd have to go down the SheepShaver rabbit hole to emulate on the
newer iMac.

That could be a bigger problem, although SheepShaver is reasonably
stable (with a few quirks).

I just never liked importing/exporting files out of SheepShaver.

If it is a version of Photoshop that works in both MacOS 9 and early
MacOS X, then running Fusion, Parallels, or the free virtualisation
apps might be an option.

This is Photoshop 3.0, a Classic app that only runs on OS 9 (or OS X
under Tiger at the latest if you have it configured to run old Classic
apps). I'm not really familiar with Fusion or the virtualisation apps.

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On 2026-07-10 04:31:10 +0000, super70s said:

On 2026-07-10 02:47:22 +0000, Your Name said:

On 2026-07-10 00:43:07 +0000, super70s said:

On 2026-07-09 22:46:19 +0000, Your Name said:

On 2026-07-09 19:02:08 +0000, super70s said:

I'm a longtime user of Yahoo mail and in the past few days they've
apparently made some kind of upgrade to their site that doesn't allow >>>>> me to access the mail using TenFourFox on my G4 running Tiger. The
sign-in page will load, but the next page with the log in gives me a >>>>> "Bad Font detected" error, and the page doesn't respond at all when I >>>>> enter the password.

I was wondering if there's any tweak I could make to TenFourFox to
access Yahoo mail again, or perhaps use some other browser that will >>>>> run on Tiger. I use the G4 to maintain my website and correspond with >>>>> customers, and it's going to be a big hassle to transfer the
correspondence to my newer iMac running Mojave via text files and an >>>>> ftp server. I think the page with the emails would still work if I
could get past the log in page.

Using a proper email program rather than the web browser might solve
the problem. :-)

I guess I could just start using the TenFourBird email program set up
with my provider's service which still works on the G4 for the customer >>> correspondence.

The other way would be to use the newer Mac to read / reply to emails, >>>> and then transfer any attachments back to the G4 via a USB stick or
network sharing when needed.

I know but I was trying to avoid that.

I haven't mothballed the G4 because I have a printer and a scanner
hooked up to it and don't want to invest in new ones for the newer iMac,

Both the scanner and printer might work on newer Mac, although the
original software probably won't work, so instead would mean using
something like VueScan and GutenPrint.

A few years ago, I did help someone update from a dying CRT G3 iMac to
an newer Intel LCD iMac, and surprisingly their *really* ancient
printer worked with no problems after simply connecting it to the newer
iMac.

It's an old Canon flatbed scanner and I'm already using VueScan
software for it, I'm pretty sure that software (very picky as to which versions will work with particular scanners) wouldn't work on a Mid
2014 iMac running Mojave. The printer is also a Canon, older Pixma
model, but I doubt if its software would run on the newer iMac either
and I don't know if they have any updated software for such an old
model.

Her printer was an ancient HP in ye olde style beige casing. That's why
I was a bit surprised that it worked by just plugging it in ... luckily
for her since she didn't have money to buy a newer printer. :-)

Both of those are hard wired to the G4, I suppose I could buy some kind
of printer/scanner combo that uses Bluetooth for the newer iMac but I
just don't want to hassle with it.

also I can run a very early Classic version of Photoshop I like on it
that I'd have to go down the SheepShaver rabbit hole to emulate on the
newer iMac.

That could be a bigger problem, although SheepShaver is reasonably
stable (with a few quirks).

I just never liked importing/exporting files out of SheepShaver.

SheepShaver (and Basilisk II) can be set up to have a 'shared folder'
with the host MacOS, so transferring ordinary document files is easy,
as long as you're a bit careful with filenames (don't use very long
filenames in MacOS X because MacOS 9 won't like them). Don't transfer
files that have a resource fork though, since they will get corrupted -
use StuffIt or a Zip archive app first, then transfer and unarchive teh
files on the other end.

You can also transfer files via appropriately made disk images, but
it's a bit cumbersome since SheepShaver and Basilisk II both have to be rebooted to mount them. :-\

If it is a version of Photoshop that works in both MacOS 9 and early
MacOS X, then running Fusion, Parallels, or the free virtualisation
apps might be an option.

This is Photoshop 3.0, a Classic app that only runs on OS 9 (or OS X
under Tiger at the latest if you have it configured to run old Classic apps). I'm not really familiar with Fusion or the virtualisation apps.

Basically they're the same as SheepShaver - set it up with a boot drive
disk image and install whatever old OS you want.

Emulation and virtualisation are a bit of a rsource hog, so it might
not be a great experience trying to run two versions of MacOS on a low
spec Mac, especially with an app like Photoshop that is itself a
resource hog.



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Let me ask you a system upgrade question about my 2014 iMac running Mojave.

I bought this computer on eBay going on five years now. It was running Yosemite (or maybe Mavericks, I can't remember) and I downloaded a
Monterey installation app from Apple and ran that but for some reason
the mother ship installed Mojave instead.

That was OK with me at the time, but years later some websites like my
Chase credit card are starting to fuss about me running an older
browser (Firefox 115, its latest security update for a Mojave system)
and won't let me in.

I have the Mojave system backed up on an ADATA 240 GB external SSD
drive, and also on a Samsung 256 GB thumb drive.

Since I don't need two backups of the same system, I was thinking I
could upgrade the thumb drive to Big Sur (or Monterey) so I can run a
later Firefox (or Chrome) browser under the later system when I need to.

I've read some horror stories about people's hard drives being bricked
when they tried to upgrade directly from Mojave to Big Sur or Monterey,
I was just wondering if my internal hard drive wouldn't be affected if
I tried to upgrade the thumb drive to one of the later systems. Would I
need to upgrade to Catalina first before upgrading to Big Sur or
Monterey? The last thing I'd want to do is screw up the Mojave system
on the internal hard drive.

Also sometimes the thumb drive acts kind of funky, sometimes it won't
mount on the desktop for a few days after an extended power failure.
Samsung makes pretty good stuff and i suspect it's probably the system
doing that for some reason.

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On 2026-07-10 12:26:44 +0000, super70s said:

Let me ask you a system upgrade question about my 2014 iMac running Mojave.

I bought this computer on eBay going on five years now. It was running Yosemite (or maybe Mavericks, I can't remember) and I downloaded a
Monterey installation app from Apple and ran that but for some reason
the mother ship installed Mojave instead.

That was OK with me at the time, but years later some websites like my
Chase credit card are starting to fuss about me running an older
browser (Firefox 115, its latest security update for a Mojave system)
and won't let me in.

I have the Mojave system backed up on an ADATA 240 GB external SSD
drive, and also on a Samsung 256 GB thumb drive.

Since I don't need two backups of the same system, I was thinking I
could upgrade the thumb drive to Big Sur (or Monterey) so I can run a
later Firefox (or Chrome) browser under the later system when I need to.

I've read some horror stories about people's hard drives being bricked
when they tried to upgrade directly from Mojave to Big Sur or Monterey,
I was just wondering if my internal hard drive wouldn't be affected if
I tried to upgrade the thumb drive to one of the later systems. Would I
need to upgrade to Catalina first before upgrading to Big Sur or
Monterey? The last thing I'd want to do is screw up the Mojave system
on the internal hard drive.

Also sometimes the thumb drive acts kind of funky, sometimes it won't
mount on the desktop for a few days after an extended power failure.
Samsung makes pretty good stuff and i suspect it's probably the system
doing that for some reason.

I haven't tried it. I'm still running MacOS 10.13 High Sierra and don't
have problems with websites*, but then I don't do online banking ... I
go to the actual bank branch as any sane person does. ;-)

I sometimes think about upgrading the MacOS, but can't really be
bothered nor have the time for all the hassle of doing it and updating third-party apps, etc. (especially when many newer versions have
stupidly become subscription only).


* There are a couple of websites that don't like old Safari, but still
work in old Firefox. Extremely rarely neither will work and I have to
use old Chrome instead.






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On 2026-07-10 23:13:14 +0000, Your Name said:

On 2026-07-10 12:26:44 +0000, super70s said:

Let me ask you a system upgrade question about my 2014 iMac running Mojave. >>
I bought this computer on eBay going on five years now. It was running
Yosemite (or maybe Mavericks, I can't remember) and I downloaded a
Monterey installation app from Apple and ran that but for some reason
the mother ship installed Mojave instead.

That was OK with me at the time, but years later some websites like my
Chase credit card are starting to fuss about me running an older
browser (Firefox 115, its latest security update for a Mojave system)
and won't let me in.

I have the Mojave system backed up on an ADATA 240 GB external SSD
drive, and also on a Samsung 256 GB thumb drive.

Since I don't need two backups of the same system, I was thinking I
could upgrade the thumb drive to Big Sur (or Monterey) so I can run a
later Firefox (or Chrome) browser under the later system when I need to.

I've read some horror stories about people's hard drives being bricked
when they tried to upgrade directly from Mojave to Big Sur or Monterey,
I was just wondering if my internal hard drive wouldn't be affected if
I tried to upgrade the thumb drive to one of the later systems. Would I
need to upgrade to Catalina first before upgrading to Big Sur or
Monterey? The last thing I'd want to do is screw up the Mojave system
on the internal hard drive.

Also sometimes the thumb drive acts kind of funky, sometimes it won't
mount on the desktop for a few days after an extended power failure.
Samsung makes pretty good stuff and i suspect it's probably the system
doing that for some reason.

I haven't tried it. I'm still running MacOS 10.13 High Sierra and don't
have problems with websites*, but then I don't do online banking ... I
go to the actual bank branch as any sane person does. ;-)

I sometimes think about upgrading the MacOS, but can't really be
bothered nor have the time for all the hassle of doing it and updating third-party apps, etc. (especially when many newer versions have
stupidly become subscription only).

* There are a couple of websites that don't like old Safari, but still
work in old Firefox. Extremely rarely neither will work and I have to
use old Chrome instead.

You might have even better luck with Chromium for problem sites, I
posted a thread about a sudden problem with my bank's BillPay feature
(due to a third-party security upgrade that handles BillPay) over in comp.sys.mac.system last year. Neither Firefox or old Chrome would work
but luckily Chromium let me access it again.

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Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

[...]

I don't do online banking ... I
go to the actual bank branch as any sane person does. ;-)

If you can find one you can get to.
--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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On 2026-07-11 07:58:44 +0000, Liz Tuddenham said:

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
[...]

I don't do online banking ... I go to the actual bank branch as any
sane person does. ;-)

If you can find one you can get to.

True, but I live in a big city, so despite greedy banks closing down
all the small suburban branches, there are still three or four of
branches around the larger area near me. Although it's not the closest,
I almost always go to the branch that is not inside a shopping mall, so
it is quiet (you can hear the tellers) and not usually busy. I mainly
only need to go once a month to transfer money to pay off the the
credit card bill.

I don't use a mobile phone, so online banking isn't possible even if I
wanted to use it (I can't get the two-factor authentication security
text messages).

I could phone up the bank's help desk to get them to transfer the
money, but I have done that a couple of times (mainly during Covid
lockdowns) and they don't listen properly, so make a mistake. It's far
easier for me to fill in the paper withdrawl form myself and take it to
a branch.

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On 2026-07-11 08:09:49 +0000, Your Name said:

On 2026-07-11 07:58:44 +0000, Liz Tuddenham said:

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
[...]

I don't do online banking ... I go to the actual bank branch as any
sane person does. ;-)

If you can find one you can get to.

True, but I live in a big city, so despite greedy banks closing down
all the small suburban branches, there are still three or four of
branches around the larger area near me. Although it's not the closest,
I almost always go to the branch that is not inside a shopping mall, so
it is quiet (you can hear the tellers) and not usually busy. I mainly
only need to go once a month to transfer money to pay off the the
credit card bill.

My bank used to have a couple of branches in my smaller city but now
they're down to one. They built a brand new building across the street
from the old one that's now a Subway. They got rid of all the
drive-thru window bays the old one had though, must have got tired of
dealing with the tubes with your documents that rocket back and forth
so you either have to go inside or use the ATM.

I have 5 or 6 credit cards I pay on through online banking and also the monthly ISP bill so it's become something I couldn't live without.

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