• Disk First Aid running on every boot

    From vintageapplemac@vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Sat Nov 30 05:18:39 2024
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    As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid
    alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then
    it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every
    time!

    Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD
    hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.

    Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same way
    over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then a period where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back to booting
    fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a relatively fresh
    install on the machine now, a couple of months old, and it was booting
    straight into OS9 for a while before this started happening again. I have
    done no recent software installs that correlate with it beginning, either.

    I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
    recommended or cautioned against?
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  • From Knezzen@contact@unixfiles.org to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Sun Dec 8 20:58:35 2024
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    In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid
    alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then
    it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every
    time!

    Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD
    hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.

    Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same way over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then a period where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back to booting
    fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a relatively fresh
    install on the machine now, a couple of months old, and it was booting straight into OS9 for a while before this started happening again. I have done no recent software installs that correlate with it beginning, either.

    I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that recommended or cautioned against?

    From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved
    from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.

    Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just
    disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep
    an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.

    -Theo
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  • From super70s@super70s@super70s.invalid to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Sun Dec 8 15:13:14 2024
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    On 2024-12-08 19:58:35 +0000, Knezzen said:

    In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid
    alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then
    it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every
    time!

    Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD
    hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.

    Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same way
    over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then a period >> where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back to booting
    fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a relatively fresh
    install on the machine now, a couple of months old, and it was booting
    straight into OS9 for a while before this started happening again. I have
    done no recent software installs that correlate with it beginning, either. >>
    I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
    recommended or cautioned against?

    From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved
    from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.

    Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just
    disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep
    an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.

    -Theo

    Wonder if you could just compress Disk First Aid into a self-extracting archive and use it when needed, that's what I do with apps that don't
    behave like I want them to. If it froze the machine on start up for
    some reason though that wouldn't work.

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  • From vintageapplemac@vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Sat Dec 14 06:33:21 2024
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    In article <contact-C4C66D.20583408122024@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Knezzen <contact@unixfiles.org> wrote:

    In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then
    it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every time!

    Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.

    Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same way over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then a period where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back to booting
    fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a relatively fresh
    install on the machine now, a couple of months old, and it was booting straight into OS9 for a while before this started happening again. I have done no recent software installs that correlate with it beginning, either.

    I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that recommended or cautioned against?

    From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved
    from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.

    Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just
    disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep
    an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.

    Thanks for confirming it's not necessarily an oddity particular to my
    machine. I will do what you've done and disable the boot check. :)
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  • From Knezzen@contact@unixfiles.org to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Wed Dec 18 11:27:45 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    In article <vj525a$18c4$1@dont-email.me>,
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-12-08 19:58:35 +0000, Knezzen said:

    In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid
    alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then >> it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every
    time!

    Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD
    hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.

    Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same way >> over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then a period >> where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back to booting
    fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a relatively fresh
    install on the machine now, a couple of months old, and it was booting
    straight into OS9 for a while before this started happening again. I have >> done no recent software installs that correlate with it beginning, either. >>
    I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
    recommended or cautioned against?

    From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved
    from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.

    Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep
    an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.

    -Theo

    Wonder if you could just compress Disk First Aid into a self-extracting archive and use it when needed, that's what I do with apps that don't
    behave like I want them to. If it froze the machine on start up for
    some reason though that wouldn't work.

    It's not really using the main Disk First Aid application, it's a on
    boot control of the filesystem independant of it. Running Disk First Aid manually works fine, and the on boot check runs fine. The problem is
    that it keeps appearing every boot for some reason, despite the system shutting down correctly.

    -Theo
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Thu Dec 19 12:14:30 2024
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    Knezzen <contact@unixfiles.org> wrote:

    In article <vj525a$18c4$1@dont-email.me>,
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-12-08 19:58:35 +0000, Knezzen said:

    In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid >> alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then >> it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every >> time!

    Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD >> hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.

    Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same
    way over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then
    a period where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back
    to booting fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a
    relatively fresh install on the machine now, a couple of months old,
    and it was booting straight into OS9 for a while before this started
    happening again. I have done no recent software installs that
    correlate with it beginning, either.

    I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
    recommended or cautioned against?

    From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.

    Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.

    -Theo

    Wonder if you could just compress Disk First Aid into a self-extracting archive and use it when needed, that's what I do with apps that don't behave like I want them to. If it froze the machine on start up for
    some reason though that wouldn't work.

    It's not really using the main Disk First Aid application, it's a on
    boot control of the filesystem independant of it. Running Disk First Aid manually works fine, and the on boot check runs fine. The problem is
    that it keeps appearing every boot for some reason, despite the system shutting down correctly.

    Just a remote possibility: have you checked to see if there is
    something in the Startup Folder that shouldn't be there?
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Knezzen@contact@unixfiles.org to comp.sys.mac.vintage on Sun Jan 5 11:09:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.vintage

    In article <1r4tb8y.1wddfmc8xcol8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
    liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Knezzen <contact@unixfiles.org> wrote:

    In article <vj525a$18c4$1@dont-email.me>,
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2024-12-08 19:58:35 +0000, Knezzen said:

    In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First >> Aid
    alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and >> then
    it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly
    every
    time!

    Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD >> hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.

    Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same >> way over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then >> a period where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back >> to booting fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a
    relatively fresh install on the machine now, a couple of months old, >> and it was booting straight into OS9 for a while before this started >> happening again. I have done no recent software installs that
    correlate with it beginning, either.

    I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
    recommended or cautioned against?

    From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.

    Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.

    -Theo

    Wonder if you could just compress Disk First Aid into a self-extracting archive and use it when needed, that's what I do with apps that don't behave like I want them to. If it froze the machine on start up for
    some reason though that wouldn't work.

    It's not really using the main Disk First Aid application, it's a on
    boot control of the filesystem independant of it. Running Disk First Aid manually works fine, and the on boot check runs fine. The problem is
    that it keeps appearing every boot for some reason, despite the system shutting down correctly.

    Just a remote possibility: have you checked to see if there is
    something in the Startup Folder that shouldn't be there?

    I think it's more of a flag not being unset on the filesystem when using
    a SSD (it's not possible to unset it at all?). It's replicatable on a
    fresh install of Mac OS 9.2.2 on my machines that have SSD's (TiBook,
    MDD, Kanga).

    -Theo
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