• Re: Q: Why is Arlen such a doofus? (was Re: Q: Why do Appletrolls know nothing about anything?

    From *Hemidactylus*@ecphoric@allspamis.invalid to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.system on Mon Nov 11 19:17:30 2024
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    <"RoadRacer (racer"@nunya.biz> wrote:
    On 2024-11-11 10:08, Andrews wrote:

    (BTW, a catenary is the best way possible to take a turn at speed, & yet,
    the so-called-racer, Alan G. Baker, has to ask what it means to racing!)
    <https://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?96988-It-s-still-motor-racing-but-quot-catenary-quot>

    I asked only to confirm my own understanding, doofus.

    Did you notice that not one person in that discussion said that they'd
    ever heard of "catenary" being used in the context of the racing line.
    Many, many decades of racing experience in that group, and not ONE
    person said they'd ever heard it used.



    'I had never heard the term before your post. Having now looked it up I
    know why, it's clearly not the optimal racing line through any curve I'm aware of!'



    "Let the guy think whatever the H he wants, sounds like he will either
    way — and perhaps *especially* when you prove him wrong."



    "38 years in this game and never have I heard that word used by anyone.

    I bet your "friend" reads a lot of books."



    "Been racing since 1988 and have never heard the term CATENARY used to describe any aspect of a turn."



    "I know the word but never heard it as a line in a corner. I believe it
    is the strongest shape for a suspension bridge."



    "So, IMO, catenary has little relationship to the "best" line in racing."

    That quote, BTW, is from a guy who has been racing for more than 50
    years and only won the Sports Car Club of America's national championship...

    ...SEVEN TIMES.

    His record at driverDB.com:

    <https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/dave-weitzenhof>



    "To say that EVERY turn should be one shape is as absurd as saying your cornering speed should always be constant."



    "Whenever a non-racer spews their "knowledge" at me, and implies I
    should know what they know, I open myself to being educated."



    And my bonafides.

    My current racing license (home address redacted):

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TGOu7kBmLk6XwQgLz7h1PX0FTyMrtSDG/view?usp=share_link>

    And my current instructor's license (home address redacted):

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K_iC3Vtkp5gP36T4lBZFc7rAkmzQ7x9u/view?usp=share_link>

    You can check out the QR codes on either of them.

    :-)

    Aren’t you giving the inconsequential twit way too much consideration here? That’s where his power exists, in pushing your buttons. Now he’s getting the attention he craves to make himself feel like he’s not really the loser others know he is. A year from now we will still be hearing him crow about catenaries. Best to just let him rant at a wall instead.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.system on Mon Nov 11 11:58:22 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-11-11 11:17, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    <"RoadRacer (racer"@nunya.biz> wrote:
    On 2024-11-11 10:08, Andrews wrote:

    (BTW, a catenary is the best way possible to take a turn at speed, & yet, >>> the so-called-racer, Alan G. Baker, has to ask what it means to racing!) >>> <https://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?96988-It-s-still-motor-racing-but-quot-catenary-quot>

    I asked only to confirm my own understanding, doofus.

    Did you notice that not one person in that discussion said that they'd
    ever heard of "catenary" being used in the context of the racing line.
    Many, many decades of racing experience in that group, and not ONE
    person said they'd ever heard it used.



    'I had never heard the term before your post. Having now looked it up I
    know why, it's clearly not the optimal racing line through any curve I'm
    aware of!'



    "Let the guy think whatever the H he wants, sounds like he will either
    way — and perhaps *especially* when you prove him wrong."



    "38 years in this game and never have I heard that word used by anyone.

    I bet your "friend" reads a lot of books."



    "Been racing since 1988 and have never heard the term CATENARY used to
    describe any aspect of a turn."



    "I know the word but never heard it as a line in a corner. I believe it
    is the strongest shape for a suspension bridge."



    "So, IMO, catenary has little relationship to the "best" line in racing."

    That quote, BTW, is from a guy who has been racing for more than 50
    years and only won the Sports Car Club of America's national championship... >>
    ...SEVEN TIMES.

    His record at driverDB.com:

    <https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/dave-weitzenhof>



    "To say that EVERY turn should be one shape is as absurd as saying your
    cornering speed should always be constant."



    "Whenever a non-racer spews their "knowledge" at me, and implies I
    should know what they know, I open myself to being educated."



    And my bonafides.

    My current racing license (home address redacted):

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TGOu7kBmLk6XwQgLz7h1PX0FTyMrtSDG/view?usp=share_link>

    And my current instructor's license (home address redacted):

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K_iC3Vtkp5gP36T4lBZFc7rAkmzQ7x9u/view?usp=share_link>

    You can check out the QR codes on either of them.

    :-)

    Aren’t you giving the inconsequential twit way too much consideration here? That’s where his power exists, in pushing your buttons. Now he’s getting the attention he craves to make himself feel like he’s not really the loser others know he is. A year from now we will still be hearing him crow about catenaries. Best to just let him rant at a wall instead.

    That's your opinion, I guess.

    Mine is that he's going to be here doing this regardless of what I do,
    so I might as well get some fun out of it.

    :-)
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  • From Andrews@andrews@spam.net to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.system on Tue Nov 12 02:18:07 2024
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    *Hemidactylus* wrote on Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:17:30 +0000 :

    Aren't you giving the inconsequential twit way too much consideration here? That's where his power exists, in pushing your buttons. Now he's getting
    the attention he craves to make himself feel like he's not really the loser others know he is. A year from now we will still be hearing him crow about catenaries. Best to just let him rant at a wall instead.

    The Apple trolls like Hemidactylus own a kindergarten view of the world.

    As always, these Apple trolls don't know anything about anything.
    *Q: Why do Apple trolls know nothing about anything?*
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17675&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17675>

    I've been posting to Usenet for decades, where these Apple trolls like Hemidactylus think I post for the "attention" of the ignorant Apple trolls.

    Guess what Hemidactylus. I posted today to the Android newsgroup and you
    Apple trolls aren't on it. I posted to Windows 10 too. And Linux.
    *What are the privacy implications of 802.11az Wi-Fi Ranging?*
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=82729&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#82729>

    Do you know why I didn't post here to the Apple newsgroups that same
    question? The answer is Apple trolls don't know anything about anything.

    But since you pulled Alan G. Baker's post out of my killfile, notice that
    the catenary is one of the most fundamental curves, where the morons think curves can only be in the Y axis but there's nothing stopping curves from existing on the x axis (or any axis for that matter, even 4D spacetime).
    <http://lastufka.net/lab/cars/why/raceit.htm>
    "This race report features two cars named "Typical" and "Best" racing
    on an Official AWANA Track with a catenary transition... The Track
    Profile follows with the name of the track and its configuration...
    Because a catenary transition model was selected, specifics of the
    catenary transition appear below the character sketch of the track.
    Marks in the track sketch represent the track surface..."

    The problem with the Apple trolls is they have no education so they don't
    know even the most basic of curves, which, let's face it, are important.

    The important aspect of a catenary is the force exerted is uniform with
    respect to length of the catenary curve - which is important to racing.

    Even a moving charge in a uniform electric field travels along a catenary
    such that every part of the catenary is in perfect equilibrium.

    In summary, all the Apple trolls (Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne,
    Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et. al) know nothing about anything.

    Not even the shapes everyone learned in their very first Calculus class.
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  • From RoadRacer@racer@nunya.biz to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.system on Mon Nov 11 19:11:47 2024
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    On 2024-11-11 18:18, Andrews wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* wrote on Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:17:30 +0000 :

    Aren't you giving the inconsequential twit way too much consideration here? >> That's where his power exists, in pushing your buttons. Now he's getting
    the attention he craves to make himself feel like he's not really the loser >> others know he is. A year from now we will still be hearing him crow about >> catenaries. Best to just let him rant at a wall instead.


    But since you pulled Alan G. Baker's post out of my killfile, notice that
    the catenary is one of the most fundamental curves, where the morons think curves can only be in the Y axis but there's nothing stopping curves from existing on the x axis (or any axis for that matter, even 4D spacetime).
    <http://lastufka.net/lab/cars/why/raceit.htm>
    "This race report features two cars named "Typical" and "Best" racing
    on an Official AWANA Track with a catenary transition... The Track
    Profile follows with the name of the track and its configuration...
    Because a catenary transition model was selected, specifics of the
    catenary transition appear below the character sketch of the track.
    Marks in the track sketch represent the track surface..."

    That's from a page about an ancient DOS program (copyright 1997 and 2004)...

    ...which is about racing cars down a RAMP.

    All forces on the car are from gravity.

    Not a car going around a curve where the forces are generated by
    braking, steering, and accelerating (within the limits of the friction
    circle; do you even know what that is?)


    The problem with the Apple trolls is they have no education so they don't know even the most basic of curves, which, let's face it, are important.

    The important aspect of a catenary is the force exerted is uniform with respect to length of the catenary curve - which is important to racing.

    Why?

    What do you mean by "uniform with respect to the length of the catenary curve"?

    The forces that a car can generate while cornering AREN'T uniform; particularly when accelerating out of the corner.


    Even a moving charge in a uniform electric field travels along a catenary such that every part of the catenary is in perfect equilibrium.

    Cite, please!
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Nov 11 20:20:46 2024
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    On 2024-11-11 18:18, Andrews wrote:
    But since you pulled Alan G. Baker's post out of my killfile, notice that
    the catenary is one of the most fundamental curves, where the morons think curves can only be in the Y axis but there's nothing stopping curves from existing on the x axis (or any axis for that matter, even 4D spacetime).
    <http://lastufka.net/lab/cars/why/raceit.htm>
    "This race report features two cars named "Typical" and "Best" racing
    on an Official AWANA Track with a catenary transition... The Track
    Profile follows with the name of the track and its configuration...
    Because a catenary transition model was selected, specifics of the
    catenary transition appear below the character sketch of the track.
    Marks in the track sketch represent the track surface..."

    The problem with the Apple trolls is they have no education so they don't know even the most basic of curves, which, let's face it, are important.

    The important aspect of a catenary is the force exerted is uniform with respect to length of the catenary curve - which is important to racing.


    This is HILARIOUS folks!

    After what must have been HOURS of scouring the web, Arlen has finally
    found a page that mentions "catenary" in a "racing" context...

    ...but it's about Pinewood gravity cars!

    'My hope is that this serious simulation program will help you use,
    experiment with and get a better feel for the physics of the race
    detailed in the Grand Prix Science Manual and the reasons behind the suggestions in How To Make A Fast Pinewood Car. But more than just
    changing design parameters to see the effect in virtual races, Race It!
    is an attempt to give you the ability to tune YOUR Grand Prix car design concepts on your organization's track before you build!'

    Pinewood cars are homebuilt model cars designed to race down ramp onto a straight section of track.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinewood_derby>

    Arlen is using a single reference to using a catenary as the curve to transition a wooden ramp to horizontal track...

    ...for cars made by Boy Scouts!

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
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