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Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Sep 2024 19:45:00 GMT :

It doesn¢t matter what Arlen says or does.

Nonsense. Lies always matter, and Arlen lies constantly.

Heh heh heh... Jolly Roger *hates* well-known facts about Apple products.

FACT:
If you create a new AppleID as of Feb2023, that new account *must*
use 2FA. You cannot, for the rest of your life, remove that 2FA.

Only Apple does that.
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On 9/2/2024 12:22 AM, Andrew wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Sep 2024 19:45:00 GMT :

It doesn�t matter what Arlen says or does.

Nonsense. Lies always matter, and Arlen lies constantly.

Heh heh heh... Jolly Roger *hates* well-known facts about Apple products.

FACT:
If you create a new AppleID as of Feb2023, that new account *must*
use 2FA. You cannot, for the rest of your life, remove that 2FA.

Only Apple does that.

That is total bullshit. I have lots of financial and other accounts that demand 2FA, no option out.
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Tom Elam wrote:

On 9/2/2024 12:22 AM, Andrew wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Sep 2024 19:45:00 GMT :

It doesn�t matter what Arlen says or does.

Nonsense. Lies always matter, and Arlen lies constantly.

Heh heh heh... Jolly Roger hates well-known facts about Apple
products.

FACT:
If you create a new AppleID as of Feb2023, that new account must
use 2FA. You cannot, for the rest of your life, remove that 2FA.

Only Apple does that.

That is total bullshit. I have lots of financial and other accounts
that demand 2FA, no option out.

To be fair, I think he was talking about mobile phone manufacturers.
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Tom Elam wrote on Mon, 2 Sep 2024 08:49:10 -0400 :

FACT:
If you create a new AppleID as of Feb2023, that new account *must*
use 2FA. You cannot, for the rest of your life, remove that 2FA.

Only Apple does that.

That is total bullshit. I have lots of financial and other accounts that demand 2FA, no option out.

First off, I don't bullshit. I'm intelligent. I know the facts.
You may *hate* facts about Apple - but they're still facts about Apple.

Apple is the only common operating system vendor who *requires* 2FA
(for all new AppleID's which were created after February of 2023).

That's just a fact.
a. I accidentally found out that fact when I bought a bunch of new iPads
b. I set them up *without* and AppleID (which I did to test if it works)
c. And then I added an AppleID (because it's brain dead without it).

That's when I found out there is absolutely no way to NOT have 2FA.

Yet you say this is "total bullshit"?
Prove me wrong. Create a new Apple ID and tell me if it requires 2FA.

Try it before you say every fact about Apple that you hate is bullshit.

Almost always, when an Apple user brazenly denies facts about Apple, they
are either ignorant of what Apple does, or they hate what Apple did.

The fact is, after three hour-long support calls with Apple, Apple's rigid policy is you can't create an AppleID on the web or on any device
(Apple or otherwise) and NOT have to set up 2FA (and you can't remove it).

No other common consumer operating system but Apple's is that desperate to obtain your personal private information about your personal identity.

However, I'm wide open if you happen to know more than I do about this.
For example, try to create a new AppleID & tell me what you found out.
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badgolferman wrote on Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:17:13 -0000 (UTC) :

If you create a new AppleID as of Feb2023, that new account must
use 2FA. You cannot, for the rest of your life, remove that 2FA.

Only Apple does that.

That is total bullshit. I have lots of financial and other accounts
that demand 2FA, no option out.

To be fair, I think he was talking about mobile phone manufacturers.

Hi badgolferman,

Thank you for understanding I was comparing with other operating systems.

I'm consistent on the Apple newsgroups in that I compare facts about Apple
to each of the other common consumer operating systems, as you are aware.

I happen to have most of those operating systems right in front of me.
Most of the ignorant Apple religious zealots have never used the others.

So they're completely unaware that Apple is the only common consumer
operating system vendor who forces 2FA upon you for the rest of your life.

Obviously I fought that requirement tooth and nail. And I lost.
To be clear, I contacted Apple Support at 800-275-2273 three times.

I spoke with six different people (three "Support Advisors" and three escalations to "Senor Support Advisors") during those 3 hours of talk.

True to form that most people who own Apple products don't know a thing
about them, each of the "Advisors" initially claimed you don't need 2FA.

Then, in turn, separately, each of the three "Senior Advisors" checked with Apple engineers and reported that it's impossible to create an Apple ID
with adding 2FA which is then required for life to log into the device.

One even went so far as to agree that if you want privacy from Apple, then probably I should return the iPads and get something else, instead.

Because this is a FACT.
I wish it was NOT a fact. I really do. But it's a FACT.

You can NOT remove 2FA from any Apple ID created after February of 2023.

The question now, given the finality of that fatal flaw for privacy,
is what is the most private way for 2FA when you're forced to do it?
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On 2024-09-02, Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/2/2024 12:22 AM, Andrew wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Sep 2024 19:45:00 GMT :

It doesn�t matter what Arlen says or does.

Nonsense. Lies always matter, and Arlen lies constantly.

Heh heh heh... Jolly Roger *hates* well-known facts about Apple products.

FACT:
If you create a new AppleID as of Feb2023, that new account *must*
use 2FA. You cannot, for the rest of your life, remove that 2FA.

Only Apple does that.

That is total bullshit. I have lots of financial and other accounts that demand 2FA, no option out.

Little Arlen wants everyone to ignore the benefits of 2FA and pretend
that we all need to disable it on a regular basis, because: troll.
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On 2024-09-02 08:57, Andrew wrote:

Tom Elam wrote on Mon, 2 Sep 2024 08:49:10 -0400 :

FACT:
If you create a new AppleID as of Feb2023, that new account *must*
use 2FA. You cannot, for the rest of your life, remove that 2FA.

Only Apple does that.

That is total bullshit. I have lots of financial and other accounts that
demand 2FA, no option out.

First off, I don't bullshit. I'm intelligent. I know the facts.
You may *hate* facts about Apple - but they're still facts about Apple.

Apple is the only common operating system vendor who *requires* 2FA
(for all new AppleID's which were created after February of 2023).

'Can I turn 2-Step Verification off?
Currently, you can turn off 2-Step Verification after it’s turned on automatically, but signing in with just a password makes your account
much less secure.

Soon, 2-Step Verification will be required for most Google Accounts.'

<https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/10956730?hl=en#zippy=%2Ccan-i-turn--step-verification-off>

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On 2024-09-04, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Sep 2024 15:18:10 GMT :

If there is another way to log into an Apple device *without* having
to also always carry around an Android phone to do it, let me know
please.

Not true. As you have been told numerous times and ignored, you only
need it the first time you sign into a new device. After that, the
device is trusted. You're lying, because: troll.

Jolly Roger - why is it you brazenly lie when you *hate* what Apple
does?

Pure projection.

FACT: Apple often requires logging into your Apple ID and we've proved
that with incontrovertible proof, e.g., when Apple changes the terms
and conditions.

FACT: That doesn't require 2FA authentication since the device is
already trusted.

The fact you're completely ignorant

More projection.

FACT: There are *many* (very many!) other times Apple requires a
re-login into your Apple ID

FACT: None of which require 2FA since the device is already trusted.

I am well aware that Apple will nag you five, ten, fifteen times a day
to re login.

That's yet another lie.
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Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Sep 2024 22:15:49 GMT :

FACT: There are *many* (very many!) other times Apple requires a
re-login into your Apple ID

FACT: None of which require 2FA since the device is already trusted.

Tell us, Jolly Roger, if your 2FA is your Android phone, how are you going
to log into your Apple ID (for the rest of your entire life!) without
*always* (for the rest of your life!) having to carry your Android phone
with you forever, just to log into your account, which, we've proven, Apple requires you to do frequently (which you don't notice - but it's there).

Tell us.

Why is it that Apple is the only common consumer operating system which requires you to have TWO devices - just to log into one of them.

Tell us.
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On 2024-09-05, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Sep 2024 22:15:49 GMT :

FACT: There are *many* (very many!) other times Apple requires a
re-login into your Apple ID

FACT: None of which require 2FA since the device is already trusted.

Tell us, Jolly Roger, if your 2FA is your Android phone, how are you
going to log into your Apple ID (for the rest of your entire life!)
without *always* (for the rest of your life!) having to carry your
Android phone with you forever, just to log into your account, which,
we've proven, Apple requires you to do frequently (which you don't
notice - but it's there).

Tell us.

Easily, since after the initial 2FA verification your device is trusted,
which means subsequent logins are done without 2FA. You're just showing
how little you know about Apple's 2FA implementation.
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Jolly Roger wrote on 5 Sep 2024 15:01:49 GMT :

Easily, since after the initial 2FA verification your device is trusted, which means subsequent logins are done without 2FA. You're just showing
how little you know about Apple's 2FA implementation.

Untrue Jolly Roger. Clearly you've never tried NOT logging into an Apple device. I have. And you know I have since we've covered this for years.
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple tracking server login

Apple *frequently* forces you to verify, where, in fact, you have to
actually provide your government ID to verify in cases where you don't.

The fact remains that Apple murdered privacy with mandatory 2FA.

No other operating system stoops that low to demand your personal identity. Just Apple.
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On 2024-09-08, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 5 Sep 2024 15:01:49 GMT :

Easily, since after the initial 2FA verification your device is
trusted, which means subsequent logins are done without 2FA. You're
just showing how little you know about Apple's 2FA implementation.

Untrue Jolly Roger.

It's true, Arlen.

Clearly you've never tried

Projection. Your claim that Apple constantly requires 2FA verification
is a big, fat lie - as anyone who actually uses Apple devices knows.

Two-factor authentication for Apple ID
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/102660>
---
When you sign in with your Apple ID *for the first time* on a *new*
device or on the web, you need both your password and the six-digit verification code that's automatically displayed on your trusted
devices.
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As is so often the case, your little lies are easily shown to be false.
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