Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
Regardless of what iOS can or cannot do, the fact remains that Google
admits to using your private data, and even use it to make money. Does >>>> Apple do that?
Google uses "your private data" to present ads to *you*. That's how
they "make money", no "admit" nor "even" about it.
If they would use "your private data" for any other purpose - without
your consent - they will be sued to smithereens, at least in the EU.
They'd have to be caught first.
Of course, but the FUD crowd implies it's done all the time. If so,
they *will* get caught.
As I've said many times before, contrary to all the FUD, urban legends,
and other nonsense which is frequently spouted in these groups, I have
yet to experience *any* ill effect - i.e. 'spam', privacy issues, etc. - >>> from my use of Google products.
Of course you haven't suffered direct ill effects as that would hurt their >> business model.
So what *is* the worry/harm/<whatever>. "Bad things can and will
happen to you! News at eleven."?
And Google does not even *have* any of my "private data", other than
the data which I provided, which is limited to my name, my/their e-mail
address, mobile number and birthday. That's it.
You're naive if you think that's all the data google has on you.
Yes, they have more data on me, but the question is, is that "private
data" and do they use it against my wishes/interests or/and do they
sell it to others? There's no actual proof of any of this, only
innuendo.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
Regardless of what iOS can or cannot do, the fact remains that Google >>>>>> admits to using your private data, and even use it to make money. Does >>>>>> Apple do that?
Google uses "your private data" to present ads to *you*. That's how
they "make money", no "admit" nor "even" about it.
If they would use "your private data" for any other purpose - without >>>>> your consent - they will be sued to smithereens, at least in the EU.
They'd have to be caught first.
Of course, but the FUD crowd implies it's done all the time. If so,
they *will* get caught.
As I've said many times before, contrary to all the FUD, urban legends, >>>>> and other nonsense which is frequently spouted in these groups, I have >>>>> yet to experience *any* ill effect - i.e. 'spam', privacy issues, etc. - >>>>> from my use of Google products.
Of course you haven't suffered direct ill effects as that would hurt their >>>> business model.
So what *is* the worry/harm/<whatever>. "Bad things can and will
happen to you! News at eleven."?
Because it is "personal data" that you have rights to have control over.
How much control depends on jurisdiction.
As I meantioned, the jurisdiction is the EU and local law if that can
and does diverge from EU legislation.
The harm is that it can used to pre-profile you based on a bias or trend
rather than as you as an individual. I suspect you, like me, are a white
european so we will never/rarely suffer negative consequences because we
the average or default group.
People from minority backgrounds on the other hand have to constantly fight >> to be treated as an individual rather than a group label: "black",
"disabled", "muslim", etc.
True, but I don't see what that has to do with Google. Only gender is
in your Google profile. (You can set it to 'Rather not say', but that's hardly relevant with a clear first name like mine.)
And Google does not even *have* any of my "private data", other than >>>>> the data which I provided, which is limited to my name, my/their e-mail >>>>> address, mobile number and birthday. That's it.
You're naive if you think that's all the data google has on you.
Yes, they have more data on me, but the question is, is that "private
data" and do they use it against my wishes/interests or/and do they
sell it to others? There's no actual proof of any of this, only
innuendo.
They may not sell your data directly, but they do make a lot of money from >> it.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-sell-your-data-heres-how-company-shares-monetizes-and
Thanks. I'll have a closer look, but a quick scan shows a US
(California) - i.e. non-EU - setting and users not using the
data-limiting controls which are available to them.
Alan Browne, 2024-02-25 22:05:
On 2024-02-25 14:31, Arno Welzel wrote:
Andrew, 2024-02-19 06:28:
[...]
These are computers.
Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it.
Well - if you have many friends or collegues who use iMessage then there >>> is no choice to use Android. iMessage is not available for Android, only
False. Messages on iPhone/iOS will communicate with people using
Android via the telco. Indeed, from my Mac I can communicate with
people using Android text messages as my Mac will use my iPhone to
execute the SMS/MMS communication.
Yes - but the it is just SMS/MMS then and not "iMessage". In particular
you also can't join group conversions.
Of course if using plain old SMS/MMS to exchange messages with single
person is enough, than there is no reason to get a smartphone at all
just for this. Plain old mobile phones provide SMS as well.
[...]
People don't get iPhones to have the Messages app. They get them for
the overall experience which is further enhanced the more Apple products
you have. (the Eco-System).
I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use
and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for me compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who
are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on
the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me.
On 2024-02-26 21:38, Chris wrote:
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Alan Browne, 2024-02-25 22:05:All apps accept a swipe from left to right as "back".
On 2024-02-25 14:31, Arno Welzel wrote:
Andrew, 2024-02-19 06:28:False. Messages on iPhone/iOS will communicate with people using
[...]
These are computers.
Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it.
Well - if you have many friends or collegues who use iMessage then there >>>>> is no choice to use Android. iMessage is not available for Android, only >>>>
Android via the telco. Indeed, from my Mac I can communicate with
people using Android text messages as my Mac will use my iPhone to
execute the SMS/MMS communication.
Yes - but the it is just SMS/MMS then and not "iMessage". In particular
you also can't join group conversions.
Of course if using plain old SMS/MMS to exchange messages with single
person is enough, than there is no reason to get a smartphone at all
just for this. Plain old mobile phones provide SMS as well.
[...]
People don't get iPhones to have the Messages app. They get them for
the overall experience which is further enhanced the more Apple products >>>> you have. (the Eco-System).
I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use >>> and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for me
compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who
are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom
launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for
example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on
the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me. >>
That would be very confusing for me, because my phone accepts a swipe
from right edge to left as "back".
On 2024-02-27 11:56, Chris wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-02-26 21:38, Chris wrote:
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Alan Browne, 2024-02-25 22:05:
On 2024-02-25 14:31, Arno Welzel wrote:
Andrew, 2024-02-19 06:28:
[...]
These are computers.
Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it.
Well - if you have many friends or collegues who use iMessage then there
is no choice to use Android. iMessage is not available for Android, only
False. Messages on iPhone/iOS will communicate with people using
Android via the telco. Indeed, from my Mac I can communicate with >>>>>> people using Android text messages as my Mac will use my iPhone to >>>>>> execute the SMS/MMS communication.
Yes - but the it is just SMS/MMS then and not "iMessage". In particular >>>>> you also can't join group conversions.
Of course if using plain old SMS/MMS to exchange messages with single >>>>> person is enough, than there is no reason to get a smartphone at all >>>>> just for this. Plain old mobile phones provide SMS as well.
[...]
People don't get iPhones to have the Messages app. They get them for >>>>>> the overall experience which is further enhanced the more Apple products >>>>>> you have. (the Eco-System).
I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use >>>>> and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for me >>>>> compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who >>>>> are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom >>>>> launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for >>>>> example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on >>>>> the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me.
All apps accept a swipe from left to right as "back".
That would be very confusing for me, because my phone accepts a swipe
from right edge to left as "back".
Visually, that seems odd to me. But I guess it comes down to what you're
used to.
The previous model used a right to left swipe on the home sensor, that
was also the fingerprint sensor (bottom centre of the frontal side), so
when they changed to a gesture on the display, they used the same direction.
Yes, once you get used, anything different is very weird.
Swipe from left edge to centre, also goes back, now that I tried. I did
not remember this.
Chris, 2024-02-26 21:38:
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:[...]
I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use >>> and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for meAll apps accept a swipe from left to right as "back".
compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who
are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom
launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for
example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on
the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me. >>
It depends where you are and what app you use.
Apple calculator:
Swiping only touches the keys,
MS Outlook:
In general when swiping from the left corner to the right, the app menu opens.
In the e-mail list: swipes from left to right os "delete message" and
right to left is "archive message".
In the calendar: swiping changes the current day which is displayed.
When the internal "apps" popup is open in Outlook, horizontal swiping is completely ignored. You can only close the popup again by dragging it down.
In Android, however, going "back" in app also brings you back to the homescreen. So it is quite confusing, that on an iPhone you must use the "home" button or a special "home" gesture for this. Yes, Android also
has a "home" gesture nowadays, but there is never the point that you get stuck in an app because "back" will only lead to the first screen in the
app itself but not further.
In addition in Android apps can call other apps to handle certain
actions (known as "intentions") and for this to work as expected, it is crucial that "back" also brings you back from one app to another app.
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