On Jan 17, 2026 at 1:31:32 AM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB3D723DD35C19HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
It reminds me of the old days of DOS and self contained programs.
No installer BS. Unzip into an empty folder of my choosing and away
you go.
Sort of like how macOS handles most installations.
On 17 Jan 2026 19:42:00 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 17, 2026 at 1:31:32 AM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB3D723DD35C19HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
It reminds me of the old days of DOS and self contained programs.
No installer BS. Unzip into an empty folder of my choosing and away
you go.
Sort of like how macOS handles most installations.
Don’t you wish macOS had something like these Flatpak/Snap/AppImage
things on Linux? Nothing to unzip, even.
On 17 Jan 2026 19:42:00 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 17, 2026 at 1:31:32 AM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB3D723DD35C19HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
It reminds me of the old days of DOS and self contained programs.
No installer BS. Unzip into an empty folder of my choosing and away
you go.
Sort of like how macOS handles most installations.
Don’t you wish macOS had something like these Flatpak/Snap/AppImage
things on Linux? Nothing to unzip, even.
On 17 Jan 2026 19:42:00 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 17, 2026 at 1:31:32 AM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB3D723DD35C19HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
It reminds me of the old days of DOS and self contained programs.
No installer BS. Unzip into an empty folder of my choosing and away
you go.
Sort of like how macOS handles most installations.
Don’t you wish macOS had something like these Flatpak/Snap/AppImage
things on Linux? Nothing to unzip, even.
On Jan 17, 2026 at 4:00:41 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10kh4ao$2tq7m$11@dont-email.me>:
On 17 Jan 2026 19:42:00 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 17, 2026 at 1:31:32 AM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB3D723DD35C19HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
It reminds me of the old days of DOS and self contained programs.
No installer BS. Unzip into an empty folder of my choosing and away
you go.
Sort of like how macOS handles most installations.
Don’t you wish macOS had something like these Flatpak/Snap/AppImage
things on Linux? Nothing to unzip, even.
Apple has similar ideas -- app bundles: open, then drag & drop, Mac App store, etc.
I do not know enough about the different techs to go into deep
differences, but they all work to install software easily.
Apple does have some advantages because they control the whole "stack"
-- less need to worry about system libraries, UI frameworks, hardware available, etc.
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:696c2146$0$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Sat, 17 Jan 2026 23:54:46
GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On Jan 17, 2026 at 4:00:41 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10kh4ao$2tq7m$11@dont-email.me>:
On 17 Jan 2026 19:42:00 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 17, 2026 at 1:31:32 AM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB3D723DD35C19HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
It reminds me of the old days of DOS and self contained programs.
No installer BS. Unzip into an empty folder of my choosing and away
you go.
Sort of like how macOS handles most installations.
Don’t you wish macOS had something like these Flatpak/Snap/AppImage
things on Linux? Nothing to unzip, even.
Apple has similar ideas -- app bundles: open, then drag & drop, Mac App
store, etc.
I do not know enough about the different techs to go into deep
differences, but they all work to install software easily.
When using appimage based software, you don't install it. You give it
execute permissions and a click or double click in my case brings the
program up for use. It's entirely self contained. No risk of dependency
hell or anything else.
GIMP-3.0.6-x86_64.AppImage
That file is the whole enchallata. Easy to copy to removable media and put
on other machines as you like. For those of us who use multiple computers, this too is a handy function.
Apple does have some advantages because they control the whole "stack"
-- less need to worry about system libraries, UI frameworks, hardware
available, etc.
You were right in stating that you don't know enough about the different techs to go into deep differences. You don't know enough about it to penetrate the surface, forget going deep. Everything that the app needs is all within the appimage file itself; you don't install anything. Nothing overwrites what's already on your rig, or otherwise stomps on anything already present on the rig.
When discussing appimage file containers, I really don't know what you
mean by Apple having advantages. The examples you cited don't apply to
them.
Every single thing the program requires is all within that file.
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> news:10kh4ao$2tq7m$11@dont-email.me Sat, 17 Jan 2026 23:00:41 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 17 Jan 2026 19:42:00 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 17, 2026 at 1:31:32 AM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB3D723DD35C19HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
It reminds me of the old days of DOS and self contained programs.
No installer BS. Unzip into an empty folder of my choosing and away
you go.
Sort of like how macOS handles most installations.
Don’t you wish macOS had something like these Flatpak/Snap/AppImage
things on Linux? Nothing to unzip, even.
It's not even necessary to put them into an empty folder by themselves.
You could store a pile of them in say 'useful apps' and they'd do just
fine, completely self contained. No dependency hell risk, just a fully functional up to date program that didn't care which distro you were using.
I was heavily into them when I was still doing the 3D print thing. Cura
was a daily goto. And I wanted to make sure I was using the latest version for the bug fixes and additional support for the capabilities of my
printers.
I've just never been a fan of Apple products.
I don't mind working on them though.
On 17 Jan 2026 19:42:00 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 17, 2026 at 1:31:32 AM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB3D723DD35C19HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
It reminds me of the old days of DOS and self contained programs. No
installer BS. Unzip into an empty folder of my choosing and away you
go.
Sort of like how macOS handles most installations.
Don’t you wish macOS had something like these Flatpak/Snap/AppImage
things on Linux? Nothing to unzip, even.
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> news:10kh4ao$2tq7m$11@dont-email.me Sat, 17 Jan 2026 23:00:41 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 17 Jan 2026 19:42:00 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 17, 2026 at 1:31:32 AM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB3D723DD35C19HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
It reminds me of the old days of DOS and self contained programs.
No installer BS. Unzip into an empty folder of my choosing and away
you go.
Sort of like how macOS handles most installations.
Don’t you wish macOS had something like these Flatpak/Snap/AppImage
things on Linux? Nothing to unzip, even.
It's not even necessary to put them into an empty folder by themselves.
You could store a pile of them in say 'useful apps' and they'd do just
fine, completely self contained. No dependency hell risk, just a fully functional up to date program that didn't care which distro you were using.
I was heavily into them when I was still doing the 3D print thing. Cura
was a daily goto. And I wanted to make sure I was using the latest version for the bug fixes and additional support for the capabilities of my
printers.
I've just never been a fan of Apple products. I don't mind working on them though. At the component level, aside from propreitary ICs and specific circuit designs, they aren't much different than other non Apple rigs.
Some of their decisions do make me scratch my head with a 'what the fuck
made you think this was a good design?' They just don't have consumer friendly designs under the hood in many cases. If I had for example two
macs that are supposed to be the same make and model but one is dead and I have a donor board, there's a limit to which components can be pulled from the donor board to try and get the other machine back up and running.
Apple thought it wise to mate various components to the ones already
present on the dead one for example. The IC that runs the touch pad is one
of many mated components.
Soldering the HDD into the circuit is another anti consumer thing that
Apple is known for doing with the blessing of the Apple user community for the most part. A component that is expected to fail at some point. A
normal PC would in most cases allow you to replace the drive or change it
out for a larger one if you so desired. Apple didn't think this was
necessary in some design cases. Some Apple users think it's perfectly acceptable to resort to running the machine entirely from an external hard disk when the soldered internal HD kicks the bucket in a non take the
system down with you manner. A laptop is intended to be portable. Having
to carry around it's hard disk as a physically seperate item from the
machine takes away from the portability aspect, imo. It's a stop gap
measure to keep the machine running.
It would have made more sense, imo, to allow the user to replace the drive if/when it fails. They went and pulled this shit on some makes and models with the RAM too. The fucking ram. Grrr. I much prefer the PCs which don't solder such components onto the mainboard - which gives me the freedom to upgrade as I like and replace bad components when necessary. Some PC manufacturers also followed Apple in this regard, but, they are typically
low end and inexpensive rigs that opted to go this route. The more
expensive, standard ones, would allow such components to be changed out.
This laptop for example doesn't have critical components like the HD or
ram soldered onto the mainboard. I'm free to upgrade as I like. This particular model will actually accomodate three internal HDs. It has slots for two NVME as well as one SATA based laptop dimensioned SSD. It doesn't have the access panels on the bottom to reach those specific areas though; you have to remove the bottom of the case. Which is fine, it allows access
to the cooling assembly so you can do some house keeping while you've got
the internals exposed.
On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 23:00:41 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Jan 2026 19:42:00 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 17, 2026 at 1:31:32 AM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB3D723DD35C19HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
It reminds me of the old days of DOS and self contained programs. No
installer BS. Unzip into an empty folder of my choosing and away you
go.
Sort of like how macOS handles most installations.
Don’t you wish macOS had something like these Flatpak/Snap/AppImage
things on Linux? Nothing to unzip, even.
What I can't stand on MacOS is that it wants to force you to use the App Store to install anything.
That's probably why Microsoft tried to do the
same thing with their mediocre copy through the Windows Store.
Nevertheless, they allow you to bypass it entirely and install programs downloaded from the web much like Windows. In fact, I'm glad they do
because that's what allows a very old machine like my $30 2013 MacBook Air
to still install something. If I had to rely on the App Store, I wouldn't
be able to install iWork, Microsoft Office, Firefox or anything else (and
no, it doesn't offer you an older version automatically like what Mac
zealots claim). However, if I simply go to the website for Firefox or LibreOffice, I can download the programs and install them without issue. Hence, the otherwise useless machine becomes quite useful. Heck, I used it
to watch the Canadiens game last night through HDHomeRun downloaded from their website.
On 2026-01-17 21:27, Gremlin wrote:
Not an "HDD" at all.
Apple is known for doing with the blessing of the Apple user community
for the most part. A component that is expected to fail at some point.
A
At what point? What is it's expected lifespan?
Nope. No one said that. What was said was that the SSD dying didn't turn
the machine into a "paperweight"...
Would it have to be "physically separate"...
...or could some clever company not make one that attaches (semi-)permanently to the bottom of the machine.
But the components that they DO solder...
...you're fine with those, right?
What laptop would that be, hmmm?
And how much does it weigh and how bulky is it?
My M3 MacBook Air weighs 2.7 lb (1.24 kg) and has a volume of just over
45 cubic inches.
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