Agreed, although that wasn't really the point of mentioning Adobe
here: it was to note that if the argument is that Adobe is
"minuscule" then because of comparable magnitude, then Linux is too.
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 08:40:12 -0500, -hh wrote:
Agreed, although that wasn't really the point of mentioning Adobe
here: it was to note that if the argument is that Adobe is
"minuscule" then because of comparable magnitude, then Linux is too.
Turns out the Linux installed base is a lot larger than Adobe. There
are entire content-creation markets where Adobe is an irrelevance. For example, the VFX industry is dominated by Linux these days. You think
they make much use of Adobe products? Apparently not.
Fun fact: they use file formats like OpenEXR, with support for deep
pixels. Photoshop still has to use plugins to cope with OpenEXR, while
Gimp has native support for deep pixels in its GEGL pixel engine.
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 08:40:12 -0500, -hh wrote:
Agreed, although that wasn't really the point of mentioning Adobe
here: it was to note that if the argument is that Adobe is
"minuscule" then because of comparable magnitude, then Linux is too.
Turns out the Linux installed base is a lot larger than Adobe.
There
are entire content-creation markets where Adobe is an irrelevance. For example, the VFX industry is dominated by Linux these days. You think
they make much use of Adobe products? Apparently not.
On 2026-01-05 06:27, CrudeSausage wrote:
Well, since you insist on me being on point, Apple is crapware because
the moment the NVMe your machine comes from which also can't be
replaced reaches its TBW, the computer becomes a literal paperweight
because the component sends a signal to the rest of the machine to
prevent it from turning on. I believe that is the definition of crap.
I'm happy that I'm now back on point.
Where did you read that:
'the component sends a signal to the rest of the machine to prevent it
from turning on.'
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:10jjojn$2l2j$1@dont-email.me Tue, 06 Jan 2026 19:42:47 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 2026-01-05 06:27, CrudeSausage wrote:
Well, since you insist on me being on point, Apple is crapware because
the moment the NVMe your machine comes from which also can't be
replaced reaches its TBW, the computer becomes a literal paperweight
because the component sends a signal to the rest of the machine to
prevent it from turning on. I believe that is the definition of crap.
I'm happy that I'm now back on point.
Where did you read that:
'the component sends a signal to the rest of the machine to prevent it
from turning on.'
Alan,
Aren't you skipping over the part where Apple thought it was a great idea to solder the drive onto the mainboard making your ability as the owner to replace a bad drive not possible?
I understand that you may not be one of those individuals who fixesI never said it was, so that would be a straw man.
computers on the same level as myself and Mr Rossman, but, that's no excuse to ignore what Apple does that is not consumer friendly. You have a lot of coin tied up in that Apple product. Hard earned monies you spent on it.
Don't you believe you should be able to replace known to fail components so that you can get some additional years of usage out of your investment? It's a full fledged laptop, not a cell phone. You should be able to replace or upgrade the HD for a larger one if you so desire. You can't do either with those specific models. Once the HD goes kaput, the laptop is a paperweight. How is that consumer friendly, Alan?
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight" if
the internal SSD dies:
'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/111336>
If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a little research?
I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?" into DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.
On 2026-01-17 00:31, Gremlin wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:10jjojn$2l2j$1@dont-email.me Tue, 06 Jan
2026 19:42:47 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 2026-01-05 06:27, CrudeSausage wrote:
Well, since you insist on me being on point, Apple is crapware
because the moment the NVMe your machine comes from which also can't
be replaced reaches its TBW, the computer becomes a literal
paperweight because the component sends a signal to the rest of the
machine to prevent it from turning on. I believe that is the
definition of crap. I'm happy that I'm now back on point.
Where did you read that:
'the component sends a signal to the rest of the machine to prevent it
from turning on.'
Alan,
Aren't you skipping over the part where Apple thought it was a great
idea to solder the drive onto the mainboard making your ability as the
owner to replace a bad drive not possible?
<most of the straw man snipped>
I understand that you may not be one of those individuals who fixesI never said it was, so that would be a straw man.
computers on the same level as myself and Mr Rossman, but, that's no
excuse to ignore what Apple does that is not consumer friendly. You
have a lot of coin tied up in that Apple product. Hard earned monies
you spent on it. Don't you believe you should be able to replace known
to fail components so that you can get some additional years of usage
out of your investment? It's a full fledged laptop, not a cell phone.
You should be able to replace or upgrade the HD for a larger one if you
so desire. You can't do either with those specific models. Once the HD
goes kaput, the laptop is a paperweight. How is that consumer friendly,
Alan?
So all your blather is wasted.
Would I prefer that those components were replaceable--at least by (semi-)trained party?
Sure.
Am I willing to give up the utility I get from using a Mac because
they're not?
Nope!
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight" if
the internal SSD dies:
'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/111336>
If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a little research?
I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?" into DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:10kh1ls$2tajo$5@dont-email.me Sat, 17 Jan 2026 22:15:24 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 2026-01-17 00:31, Gremlin wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:10jjojn$2l2j$1@dont-email.me Tue, 06 Jan
2026 19:42:47 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 2026-01-05 06:27, CrudeSausage wrote:
Well, since you insist on me being on point, Apple is crapware
because the moment the NVMe your machine comes from which also can't >>>>> be replaced reaches its TBW, the computer becomes a literal
paperweight because the component sends a signal to the rest of the
machine to prevent it from turning on. I believe that is the
definition of crap. I'm happy that I'm now back on point.
Where did you read that:
'the component sends a signal to the rest of the machine to prevent it >>>> from turning on.'
Alan,
Aren't you skipping over the part where Apple thought it was a great
idea to solder the drive onto the mainboard making your ability as the
owner to replace a bad drive not possible?
<most of the straw man snipped>
You may want to google the definition to straw man. I wasn't providing one.
I understand that you may not be one of those individuals who fixesI never said it was, so that would be a straw man.
computers on the same level as myself and Mr Rossman, but, that's no
excuse to ignore what Apple does that is not consumer friendly. You
have a lot of coin tied up in that Apple product. Hard earned monies
you spent on it. Don't you believe you should be able to replace known
to fail components so that you can get some additional years of usage
out of your investment? It's a full fledged laptop, not a cell phone.
You should be able to replace or upgrade the HD for a larger one if you
so desire. You can't do either with those specific models. Once the HD
goes kaput, the laptop is a paperweight. How is that consumer friendly,
Alan?
Alan,
Don't put words in my mouth, thanks. I didn't state that you did. I was asking you a simple question - how is doing what they did a consumer
friendly thing to do?
So all your blather is wasted.
You might want to google the definition to that word as well.
Would I prefer that those components were replaceable--at least by
(semi-)trained party?
Sure.
How much training do you think one should have to be able to replace a hard disk?
Am I willing to give up the utility I get from using a Mac because
they're not?
Nope!
Did I ever state that you should? I was asking you how this design choice on the part of Apple is pro consumer. It's a simple question that you have completely ignored.
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight" if
the internal SSD dies:
'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'
It depends on how the internal has died, actually. If the IC doesn't see a good to go signal, the laptop will intentionally play dead. That isn't consumer friendly either, imo.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/111336>
If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a little
research?
I didn't make any claims that I can't support, Alan. I've done more than a little research on the subject. I actually do board level repairs on the machines. I thought I was clear about that the first time I brought up the fact that the internal drive isn't replaceable? Back when I asked you if
that was a consumer friendly design. When you asked me to summarize the content of the video because you had no interest in learning a little of the tech side about some of their anti consumer designs.
I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?" into
DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.
I wasn't disputing that you could do that in many cases, either. Being as
the gear is a laptop, you shouldn't be forced to resort to using an external drive to continue using it in the situations where the SSD hasn't failed in
a spectacular manner, either. Perhaps strawman better suits your example
than it did my post?
You shouldn't have to rely on an external drive to continue being able to
use the machine. A consumer friendly design would allow you to replace the internal drive when it's faulty or when you desire additional storage capacity. Soldering components like that to the mainboard locks the user in and is not a consumer friendly design. For what you pay for the machine, at the very least, you should be able to replace the internal drive without too much hassle. Apples designs won't let you replace it at all. How is that pro consumer? And why would you support a company that designs their gear in
this manner?
Why would you support a company has anti consumer designs that you pay a decent amount of coin for that also likes to mate components so that if you have a suitable donor board, you cannot use critical known to be working components from it to bring another machine of the same make and model back into service?
How is that a pro consumer design?
It doesn't benefit you the consumer. ItThe PRODUCT AS A WHOLE benefits me, doofus.
only benefits Apples bottom line.
On 1/17/26 5:15 PM, Alan wrote:
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight"
if the internal SSD dies:
'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/111336>
If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a little
research?
I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?"
into DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.
ROFLMFAO, another reference regarding Mac use and heavy dependence on external storage. You can't make up how bad the sales pitch for this crapware really is.
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight"
if the internal SSD dies:
'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/111336>
If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a
little research?
I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?"
into DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.
ROFLMFAO, another reference regarding Mac use and heavy dependence on
external storage. You can't make up how bad the sales pitch for this
crapware really is.
You should remain quiet.
Adults are talking.
On 2026-01-17 00:31, Gremlin wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:10jjojn$2l2j$1@dont-email.me Tue, 06 Jan 2026
19:42:47 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 2026-01-05 06:27, CrudeSausage wrote:
Well, since you insist on me being on point, Apple is crapware because >>>> the moment the NVMe your machine comes from which also can't be
replaced reaches its TBW, the computer becomes a literal paperweight
because the component sends a signal to the rest of the machine to
prevent it from turning on. I believe that is the definition of crap.
I'm happy that I'm now back on point.
Where did you read that:
'the component sends a signal to the rest of the machine to prevent it
from turning on.'
Alan,
Aren't you skipping over the part where Apple thought it was a great idea to >> solder the drive onto the mainboard making your ability as the owner to
replace a bad drive not possible?
<most of the straw man snipped>
I understand that you may not be one of those individuals who fixesI never said it was, so that would be a straw man.
computers on the same level as myself and Mr Rossman, but, that's no excuse >> to ignore what Apple does that is not consumer friendly. You have a lot of >> coin tied up in that Apple product. Hard earned monies you spent on it.
Don't you believe you should be able to replace known to fail components so >> that you can get some additional years of usage out of your investment? It's >> a full fledged laptop, not a cell phone. You should be able to replace or
upgrade the HD for a larger one if you so desire. You can't do either with >> those specific models. Once the HD goes kaput, the laptop is a paperweight. >> How is that consumer friendly, Alan?
So all your blather is wasted.
Would I prefer that those components were replaceable--at least by (semi-)trained party?
Sure.
Am I willing to give up the utility I get from using a Mac because
they're not?
Nope!
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight" if
the internal SSD dies:
'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/111336>
If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a little research?
I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?" into DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.--
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:10kh1ls$2tajo$5@dont-email.me Sat, 17 Jan 2026 22:15:24 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 2026-01-17 00:31, Gremlin wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:10jjojn$2l2j$1@dont-email.me Tue, 06 Jan
2026 19:42:47 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 2026-01-05 06:27, CrudeSausage wrote:
Well, since you insist on me being on point, Apple is crapware
because the moment the NVMe your machine comes from which also can't >>>>> be replaced reaches its TBW, the computer becomes a literal
paperweight because the component sends a signal to the rest of the
machine to prevent it from turning on. I believe that is the
definition of crap. I'm happy that I'm now back on point.
Where did you read that:
'the component sends a signal to the rest of the machine to prevent it >>>> from turning on.'
Alan,
Aren't you skipping over the part where Apple thought it was a great
idea to solder the drive onto the mainboard making your ability as the
owner to replace a bad drive not possible?
<most of the straw man snipped>
You may want to google the definition to straw man. I wasn't providing one.
I understand that you may not be one of those individuals who fixesI never said it was, so that would be a straw man.
computers on the same level as myself and Mr Rossman, but, that's no
excuse to ignore what Apple does that is not consumer friendly. You
have a lot of coin tied up in that Apple product. Hard earned monies
you spent on it. Don't you believe you should be able to replace known
to fail components so that you can get some additional years of usage
out of your investment? It's a full fledged laptop, not a cell phone.
You should be able to replace or upgrade the HD for a larger one if you
so desire. You can't do either with those specific models. Once the HD
goes kaput, the laptop is a paperweight. How is that consumer friendly,
Alan?
Alan,
Don't put words in my mouth, thanks. I didn't state that you did. I was asking you a simple question - how is doing what they did a consumer
friendly thing to do?
Would I prefer that those components were replaceable--at least by
(semi-)trained party?
Sure.
How much training do you think one should have to be able to replace a hard disk?
Why would you support a company has anti consumer designs that you pay a
decent amount of coin for that also likes to mate components so that if you >> have a suitable donor board, you cannot use critical known to be working
components from it to bring another machine of the same make and model back >> into service?
I use Macs because they have worked very well for me over the span of
more than 35 years.
Like any other rational person (which I'm beginning to suspect is not a
class of which you are a member), I weigh the pros and cons of those
things I just to purchase with my "coin".
On 1/17/26 5:56 PM, Alan wrote:
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a
"paperweight" if the internal SSD dies:
'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/111336>
If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a
little research?
I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?"
into DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.
ROFLMFAO, another reference regarding Mac use and heavy dependence on
external storage. You can't make up how bad the sales pitch for this
crapware really is.
You should remain quiet.
Adults are talking.
Insinuating something about my maturity or developmental level despite
my definitely "adult" age is not a cover for having to address my point, Alan. I'm trying to be civil and not just feed so much into your games, but that is what being adult means, I'm seeing you have a need to put yourself on a higher level than me, which I don't really mind since it
won't work, everyone who's anyone knows it's impossible to dispute my intellect, so go ahead and feed your ego, but meanwhile you're looking
dumb to just blow off my observation about how Apple's computers end up using external storage including apparently according to you to replace
a dead internal component. So, no, Alan, no one is going to "remain
quiet" when you aren't a censor of anyone else.
On 2026-01-17 14:47, Gremlin wrote:
Alan,
Don't put words in my mouth, thanks. I didn't state that you did. I was
asking you a simple question - how is doing what they did a consumer
friendly thing to do?
Yes, you implied that I did.
Would I prefer that those components were replaceable--at least by
(semi-)trained party?
Sure.
How much training do you think one should have to be able to replace a
hard disk?
How is that relevant?
Am I willing to give up the utility I get from using a Mac because
they're not?
Nope!
Did I ever state that you should? I was asking you how this design
choice on the part of Apple is pro consumer. It's a simple question
that you have completely ignored.
I answered the question, liar.
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight"
if the internal SSD dies:
'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'
It depends on how the internal has died, actually. If the IC doesn't
see a good to go signal, the laptop will intentionally play dead. That
isn't consumer friendly either, imo.
That's the second time that's been claimed.
I'd like to see YOUR source for making it.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/111336>
If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a little
research?
I didn't make any claims that I can't support, Alan. I've done more
than a little research on the subject. I actually do board level
repairs on the machines. I thought I was clear about that the first
time I brought up the fact that the internal drive isn't replaceable?
Back when I asked you if that was a consumer friendly design. When you
asked me to summarize the content of the video because you had no
interest in learning a little of the tech side about some of their anti
consumer designs.
So show your source.
I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?"
into DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.
I wasn't disputing that you could do that in many cases, either. Being
as the gear is a laptop, you shouldn't be forced to resort to using an
external drive to continue using it in the situations where the SSD
hasn't failed in a spectacular manner, either. Perhaps strawman better
suits your example than it did my post?
You claimed it would be made into "a paperweight".
Was that claim false? Yes or no.
You shouldn't have to rely on an external drive to continue being able
to use the machine. A consumer friendly design would allow you to
replace the internal drive when it's faulty or when you desire
additional storage capacity. Soldering components like that to the
mainboard locks the user in and is not a consumer friendly design. For
what you pay for the machine, at the very least, you should be able to
replace the internal drive without too much hassle. Apples designs
won't let you replace it at all. How is that pro consumer? And why
would you support a company that designs their gear in this manner?
So, can you replace the power supply on your laptop? What? No? It's an integral part of the motherboard, you say?
Could it be that you accept the drawback of not being able to replace it
in order gain the utility that the smaller form factor allowed by integrating many of the components allows?
Why would you support a company has anti consumer designs that you pay
a decent amount of coin for that also likes to mate components so that
if you have a suitable donor board, you cannot use critical known to be
working components from it to bring another machine of the same make
and model back into service?
I use Macs because they have worked very well for me over the span of
more than 35 years.
Like any other rational person (which I'm beginning to suspect is not a class of which you are a member), I weigh the pros and cons of those
things I just to purchase with my "coin".
How is that a pro consumer design?
Did I say it was?
It doesn't benefit you the consumer. ItThe PRODUCT AS A WHOLE benefits me, doofus.
only benefits Apples bottom line.
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a
"paperweight" if the internal SSD dies:
'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/111336>
If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a
little research?
I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?" >>>>> into DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.
ROFLMFAO, another reference regarding Mac use and heavy dependence
on external storage. You can't make up how bad the sales pitch for
this crapware really is.
You should remain quiet.
Adults are talking.
Insinuating something about my maturity or developmental level despite
my definitely "adult" age is not a cover for having to address my
point, Alan. I'm trying to be civil and not just feed so much into
your games, but that is what being adult means, I'm seeing you have a
need to put yourself on a higher level than me, which I don't really
mind since it won't work, everyone who's anyone knows it's impossible
to dispute my intellect, so go ahead and feed your ego, but meanwhile
you're looking dumb to just blow off my observation about how Apple's
computers end up using external storage including apparently according
to you to replace a dead internal component. So, no, Alan, no one is
going to "remain quiet" when you aren't a censor of anyone else.
Riiiight!
Because "ROFLMFAO" and "crapware" are the hallmarks of civil discourse.
Buzz off.
On 2026-01-17 00:31, Gremlin wrote:
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight" if
the internal SSD dies:
'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/111336>
If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a little research?
I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?" into DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.
I wasn't disputing that, Alan. That option isn't available to you though
if one or more of those NANDs has shorted to ground. What was that you
were saying about research?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:10kh1ls$2tajo$5@dont-email.me Sat, 17 Jan 2026 22:15:24 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 2026-01-17 00:31, Gremlin wrote:
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight" if
the internal SSD dies:
If one or more of those NAND chips which make up the internal SSD shorts
to ground, your mac becomes a paperweight. It's no longer able to make use
of external media in that case. To repair it requires NAND replacement as well as power management components.
On 1/19/26 22:24, Gremlin wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:10kh1ls$2tajo$5@dont-email.me Sat, 17 Jan 2026 >> 22:15:24 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 2026-01-17 00:31, Gremlin wrote:
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight" if >>> the internal SSD dies:
If one or more of those NAND chips which make up the internal SSD shorts
to ground, your mac becomes a paperweight. It's no longer able to make use >> of external media in that case. To repair it requires NAND replacement as
well as power management components.
But isn't that true of all computers when a soldered component fails?
Its been 40+ years since I've owned a computer whose RAM was installed
in sockets - - are you suggesting that this is what we all should be
"just in case" going back to?
-hh
On 1/19/26 22:24, Gremlin wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:10kh1ls$2tajo$5@dont-email.me Sat, 17 Jan
2026 22:15:24 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 2026-01-17 00:31, Gremlin wrote:
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight"
if the internal SSD dies:
If one or more of those NAND chips which make up the internal SSD
shorts to ground, your mac becomes a paperweight. It's no longer able
to make use of external media in that case. To repair it requires NAND
replacement as well as power management components.
But isn't that true of all computers when a soldered component fails?
Its been 40+ years since I've owned a computer whose RAM was installed
in sockets - - are you suggesting that this is what we all should be
"just in case" going back to?
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> news:10kns16$166dh$1@dont-email.me
Tue, 20 Jan 2026 12:21:58 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 1/19/26 22:24, Gremlin wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> news:10kh1ls$2tajo$5@dont-email.me Sat, 17 Jan
2026 22:15:24 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
On 2026-01-17 00:31, Gremlin wrote:
But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight"
if the internal SSD dies:
If one or more of those NAND chips which make up the internal SSD
shorts to ground, your mac becomes a paperweight. It's no longer able
to make use of external media in that case. To repair it requires NAND
replacement as well as power management components.
But isn't that true of all computers when a soldered component fails?
Nope, it's not. If this rig were to blow say a diode, that failure most likely would not resort in a main power rail shorting to ground. I
actually worked on an HP laptop a few years ago that had a failed diode.
It wouldn't let you use the charger; but as long as the battery still had power the machine would boot and operate normally. The diode failed in a closed manner vs open. I did have to tear the machine down and pull the
main board to troubleshoot and repair it, but the component wasn't
difficult to replace and the laptop has been running fine since. Supports
the charger again too. :)
All kinds of components are soldered on computers and other electronics. Those usually don't resort in main power rails being grounded out. In 2019-2020 Apple had a problem (surprise surprise) with their power
management IC. It would overvolt the NANDS and kill them. When they died,
the opted to short to ground and as they did so, took out the main power rails along with them. I haven't worked on any non apple products which
opted to take out main power in such a failure condition. This seems to be
a design feature of Apple. They're also bad about running the data lines
very close to the power lines on the PCB. I'm not sure what cost savings? this gives them, but, it does invite problems from a failed electronics
POV.
A lot of the kits I've built over the years, including my own custom
drivers have soldered components too. None of them when they fail take out main power along with them. That's just not a good design practice...
Its been 40+ years since I've owned a computer whose RAM was installed
in sockets - - are you suggesting that this is what we all should be
"just in case" going back to?
What sort of computers have you been using for the past 40+ years that had their RAM soldered in place? And what do you mean by going back to? Socket based RAM is still very much a thing.
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older PCs...how
many of these are socketed?
Its been 40+ years since I've owned a computer whose RAM was installed
in sockets - - are you suggesting that this is what we all should be
"just in case" going back to?
What sort of computers have you been using for the past 40+ years that had >> their RAM soldered in place? And what do you mean by going back to? Socket >> based RAM is still very much a thing.
No, the stuff you're referring to is a hybrid, because even though there
was a SIMM/DIMM socket, the RAM chips on its board was soldered.
I was referring to earlier PCs, where there was no RAM soldered at all, because each RAM chip was installed into its own dedicated socket. This
was in the early Apple ][ series.
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed, 21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older PCs...how
many of these are socketed?
That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span.
They're used in
practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the effort to socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them and replace them with a fresh component and solder whether it's SMD or THT. It's not even a 5 minute job once you have the necessary access to the component.
Don't you think you might be trying to compare Apples and Oranges here though? a Capacitor is hardly an SSD drive or RAM module.
Its been 40+ years since I've owned a computer whose RAM was installed >>>> in sockets - - are you suggesting that this is what we all should be
"just in case" going back to?
What sort of computers have you been using for the past 40+ years that had >>> their RAM soldered in place? And what do you mean by going back to? Socket >>> based RAM is still very much a thing.
No, the stuff you're referring to is a hybrid, because even though there
was a SIMM/DIMM socket, the RAM chips on its board was soldered.
Most desktops do not have ram soldered onto their mainboards.
...Some laptops/mini/all in ones do...and not all of
those have any options to add more. I wasn't disputing that.
None of your
comments take away from the fact that if a NAND chip which makes up the soldered on SSD shorts to ground; the Apple is going to be a paperweight. It won't boot from external media; it won't even turn on.
I was referring to earlier PCs, where there was no RAM soldered at all,
because each RAM chip was installed into its own dedicated socket. This
was in the early Apple ][ series.
Ahh. You were including ancient by todays standards gear.
My Coco3s ram was
also soldered to the main board. However, you could replace it for larger chips as well as solder on additional ones. I opted for the 512k expansion board. The chips on the board were socketed.
I don't typically include my experience with it or the Apple computers I
used at school in the early 80s. Green screen 5.25 floppies; some had dual drives. You still use the old Apple? Is it for nostalgic reasons or something?
You really do seem to be pulling interesting things to try and argue about here...A capacitor and some very old computers that few people use anymore?
I was talking about much more modern gear and I don't think you weren't very aware of that.
I wouldn't have used them as PC examples in the context I've been
discussing a PC or Mac, either. I don't think the typical user of
either would consider those families along the same lines or having
much of anything in common with what's sitting in front of them today.
Especially considering that when you use the term PC computer - it's generally assumed that you are referring to an IBM compatible.
The term has meant that to the mainstream since the late 1980s.
And neither the coco
series or the Apples of that era were considered a PC in that context. This seems like it might be a bit of a red herring on your part?
On 1/20/26 22:14, Gremlin wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed, >> 21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older PCs...how
many of these are socketed?
That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span.
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling repairability
will logically focus on those components which have lower lifespans.
They're used in
practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the effort to >> socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them and replace them
with a fresh component and solder whether it's SMD or THT. It's not even a 5 >> minute job once you have the necessary access to the component.
Soldering is either "fine to do", or an anathema: you're trying to make
it situational, based on if you want to criticize a PC manufacturer.
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrote <10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their computers do not last as long... but the data show that people tend to keep Macs for a lot longer than they keep PCs.<snip>
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-real-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
Brock McNuggets wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrote
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their computers >> do not last as long... but the data show that people tend to keep Macs for a >> lot longer than they keep PCs.<snip>
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-real-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
My Lenovo Flex 14" was bought around 2018. I did quickly double
its RAM (that also incidentally fixed a clicking caused by the
wire near a fan, an apparently common problem). About a year or
so ago I replaced the battery.
It's a pain in the ass to open. I had to unscrew all the tiny
screws from the back and then pry it open using a computer-repair
toolkit.
Right now I also have an old ASUS laptop from 2012. It's had a
number of versions of Linux on it. I just installed Ubuntu Studio
so I can do some experimenting. The battery is no good; the
indicator blinks constantly, but I keep it plugged in and powered
up.
The cat likes to lay on it. Warm.
On Jan 21, 2026 at 12:27:15PM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote <10kr9ak$2c7ub$2@dont-email.me>:
Brock McNuggets wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29AM MST, "-hh" wrote
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their computers<snip>
do not last as long... but the data show that people tend to keep Macs for a
lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-real-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3?4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5?6 years
-----
My Lenovo Flex 14" was bought around 2018. I did quickly double
its RAM (that also incidentally fixed a clicking caused by the
wire near a fan, an apparently common problem). About a year or
so ago I replaced the battery.
It's a pain in the ass to open. I had to unscrew all the tiny
screws from the back and then pry it open using a computer-repair
toolkit.
Right now I also have an old ASUS laptop from 2012. It's had a
number of versions of Linux on it. I just installed Ubuntu Studio
so I can do some experimenting. The battery is no good; the
indicator blinks constantly, but I keep it plugged in and powered
up.
Until about a year ago I used a 2010 MacBook Air (one gifted to me by Marek, whom I will always be grateful to). But of course these numbers are not meant to suggest people cannot or do not keep some computers for longer. Those specific numbers are tied to business use... but I have read home use has similar trends (with longer times, though).
The cat likes to lay on it. Warm.
LOL!
On Jan 21, 2026 at 12:27:15 PM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10kr9ak$2c7ub$2@dont-email.me>:
Brock McNuggets wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrote
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their computers<snip>
do not last as long... but the data show that people tend to keep Macs for a
lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-real-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
My Lenovo Flex 14" was bought around 2018. I did quickly double
its RAM (that also incidentally fixed a clicking caused by the
wire near a fan, an apparently common problem). About a year or
so ago I replaced the battery.
It's a pain in the ass to open. I had to unscrew all the tiny
screws from the back and then pry it open using a computer-repair
toolkit.
Right now I also have an old ASUS laptop from 2012. It's had a
number of versions of Linux on it. I just installed Ubuntu Studio
so I can do some experimenting. The battery is no good; the
indicator blinks constantly, but I keep it plugged in and powered
up.
Until about a year ago I used a 2010 MacBook Air (one gifted to me by Marek, whom I will always be grateful to). But of course these numbers are not meant to suggest people cannot or do not keep some computers for longer. Those specific numbers are tied to business use... but I have read home use has similar trends (with longer times, though).
On 2026-01-21, Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 12:27:15 PM MST, "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote
<10kr9ak$2c7ub$2@dont-email.me>:
Brock McNuggets wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrote
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their computers<snip>
do not last as long... but the data show that people tend to keep Macs for a
lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-real-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
My Lenovo Flex 14" was bought around 2018. I did quickly double
its RAM (that also incidentally fixed a clicking caused by the
wire near a fan, an apparently common problem). About a year or
so ago I replaced the battery.
It's a pain in the ass to open. I had to unscrew all the tiny
screws from the back and then pry it open using a computer-repair
toolkit.
Right now I also have an old ASUS laptop from 2012. It's had a
number of versions of Linux on it. I just installed Ubuntu Studio
so I can do some experimenting. The battery is no good; the
indicator blinks constantly, but I keep it plugged in and powered
up.
Until about a year ago I used a 2010 MacBook Air (one gifted to me by Marek, >> whom I will always be grateful to). But of course these numbers are not meant
to suggest people cannot or do not keep some computers for longer. Those
specific numbers are tied to business use... but I have read home use has
similar trends (with longer times, though).
Is that the one you were selling on ebay?
I have never sold anything on eBay. What made you think I did?
On 1/21/26 8:19 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
I have never sold anything on eBay. What made you think I did?
I never had, until I got a couple items from my mom's house I'd left
there. One, a DVD player with advanced audio support, was about 20
years old, I saw it for $199 shipping included on Amazon (used,
obviously), and matched that offer on eBay. The other was my component
HD radio, which actually would've been pretty cool to keep, but seemed a
bit redundant with having Internet.
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling repairability
will logically focus on those components which have lower lifespans.
Especially considering that when you use the term PC computer ...
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> news:10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me
Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:00:29 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
[huge snip]
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling repairability
will logically focus on those components which have lower lifespans.
The point remains; What I wrote about the Apples using a soldered on SSD drive
has been proven to be accurate.
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> news:10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me
Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:00:29 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
[huge snip]
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling repairability
will logically focus on those components which have lower lifespans.
The point remains; What I wrote about the Apples using a soldered on SSD drive
has been proven to be accurate. If the drive dies, the laptop dies with it.
They will not be able to get around this by booting and using external media. They won't have the opportunity because the laptop won't be able to do it. The
laptop does effectively become a paperweight once the SSD is gone. Options for
repair are limited to specialized shops like what mine is with no guarantee that I too would have to resort to doing the same thing as Apple - replace the
logic board. I do not have a markup on components like that.
...
Since I've proven that all of the statements I've written about the paperweight effect are infact true, There's no point in continuing to humour your commentary that never had much of anything to do with what I was stating concerning the soldered SSD in the first place.
I believe I've treated you fairly in that I didn't ignore your efforts,
I did respond. I have read your followup but it looks like a harder
effort to troll. imo. I'm not here for that.
I think Alan ...
On 1/21/26 23:33, Gremlin wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> news:10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me
Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:00:29 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
[huge snip]
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling repairability
will logically focus on those components which have lower lifespans.
The point remains; What I wrote about the Apples using a soldered on SSD drive
has been proven to be accurate. If the drive dies, the laptop dies with it.
So what? You're trying to avoid how products are designed, as the cost
to design in lower cost maintainability is never zero, so the business decision gets tied to the probability of failure of that part/subsystem
and its consequence.
What are the odds of your lethal 13V spike occurring in a PC's RAM
and/or NVMe after its warranty period over its, say, next five years of service life?
Because by your insinuation, its a common risk to customers for us to be concerned about.
On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 03:14:32 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:
Especially considering that when you use the term PC computer ...
Depends on whether they’re referring to *personal* PC computers or not ...
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their
computers do not last as long... but the data show that people tend
to keep Macs for a lot longer than they keep PCs.
On 1/15/26 16:18, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 08:40:12 -0500, -hh wrote:
Agreed, although that wasn't really the point of mentioning Adobe
here: it was to note that if the argument is that Adobe is
"minuscule" then because of comparable magnitude, then Linux is
too.
Turns out the Linux installed base is a lot larger than Adobe.
If one includes non-PC applications, such as Servers & Render Farms, sure.
But the context here was of PC users.
And the report on Adobe's customer base was on just their
subscribers, not their total user base...which was explicitly
pointed out to you.
There are entire content-creation markets where Adobe is an
irrelevance. For example, the VFX industry is dominated by Linux
these days. You think they make much use of Adobe products?
Apparently not.
Its a tiny niche even compared to Adobe's 40M paid subscribers,
right?
On 21 Jan 2026 15:43:46 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their
computers do not last as long... but the data show that people tend
to keep Macs for a lot longer than they keep PCs.
That situation might be skewed by the significant number of pre-ARM
Mac models still in circulation.
As those fall out of use, we may see a drop in the useful lifetimes
of Apple machines.
On 21 Jan 2026 15:43:46 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their
computers do not last as long... but the data show that people tend
to keep Macs for a lot longer than they keep PCs.
That situation might be skewed by the significant number of pre-ARM
Mac models still in circulation.
As those fall out of use, we may see a drop in the useful lifetimes
of Apple machines.
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrote <10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
On 1/20/26 22:14, Gremlin wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed,
21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older PCs...how
many of these are socketed?
That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span.
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling repairability
will logically focus on those components which have lower lifespans.
They're used in
practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the effort to >>> socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them and replace them >>> with a fresh component and solder whether it's SMD or THT. It's not even a 5
minute job once you have the necessary access to the component.
Soldering is either "fine to do", or an anathema: you're trying to make
it situational, based on if you want to criticize a PC manufacturer.
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their computers do not last as long... but the data show that people tend to keep Macs for a lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-real-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
Other sources say much the same... and it means even though the purchase price
of a Mac is a bit higher, the long term costs are lower (this is not just from
longevity, but from fewer issues with malware, lower IT / tech support cost, etc.
...
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrotemy windows computer just keeps getting better and better ,
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
On 1/20/26 22:14, Gremlin wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed,
21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older PCs...how >>>>> many of these are socketed?
That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span.
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling repairability
will logically focus on those components which have lower lifespans.
They're used in
practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the effort to >>>> socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them and replace them >>>> with a fresh component and solder whether it's SMD or THT. It's not even a 5
minute job once you have the necessary access to the component.
Soldering is either "fine to do", or an anathema: you're trying to make >>> it situational, based on if you want to criticize a PC manufacturer.
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their computers >> do not last as long... but the data show that people tend to keep Macs for a >> lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-real-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
Other sources say much the same... and it means even though the purchase price
of a Mac is a bit higher, the long term costs are lower (this is not just from
longevity, but from fewer issues with malware, lower IT / tech support cost, >> etc.
...
i still have days i say i didn't know it could do that
On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 06:54:36 -0500, -hh wrote:
On 1/15/26 16:18, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 08:40:12 -0500, -hh wrote:
Agreed, although that wasn't really the point of mentioning Adobe
here: it was to note that if the argument is that Adobe is
"minuscule" then because of comparable magnitude, then Linux is
too.
Turns out the Linux installed base is a lot larger than Adobe.
If one includes non-PC applications, such as Servers & Render Farms, sure. >>
But the context here was of PC users.
And the report on Adobe's customer base was on just their
subscribers, not their total user base...which was explicitly
pointed out to you.
No, at one stage you were trying to include users of freeware Adobe
products as well, weren’t you? Trying to backpedal on that now?
There are entire content-creation markets where Adobe is an
irrelevance. For example, the VFX industry is dominated by Linux
these days. You think they make much use of Adobe products?
Apparently not.
Its a tiny niche even compared to Adobe's 40M paid subscribers,
right?
Oscar season is coming up. Think about the importance of VFX the next
time you go watch a Hollywood movie.
This is one group that punches above its weight ... like Mac and Adobe
users used to do.
On Jan 23, 2026 at 6:13:08 AM MST, "%" wrote <4oecne0kK8R-7u70nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrotemy windows computer just keeps getting better and better ,
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
On 1/20/26 22:14, Gremlin wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed, 21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT
in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older
PCs...how many of these are socketed?
That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span.
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling
repairability will logically focus on those components which have
lower lifespans.
They're used in
practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the
effort to socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them
and replace them with a fresh component and solder whether it's
SMD or THT. It's not even a 5 minute job once you have the
necessary access to the component.
Soldering is either "fine to do", or an anathema: you're trying to
make it situational, based on if you want to criticize a PC
manufacturer.
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their
computers do not last as long... but the data show that people tend
to keep Macs for a lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-re
al-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
Other sources say much the same... and it means even though the
purchase price of a Mac is a bit higher, the long term costs are
lower (this is not just from longevity, but from fewer issues with
malware, lower IT / tech support cost, etc.
...
i still have days i say i didn't know it could do that
My Mac does things when I am not home to make my life better. It does
my laundry, cleans the dishes, vacuums...
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6973a739$4$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
On Jan 23, 2026 at 6:13:08 AM MST, "%" wrote
<4oecne0kK8R-7u70nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:
my windows computer just keeps getting better and better ,
i still have days i say i didn't know it could do that
My Mac does things when I am not home to make my life better. It does
my laundry, cleans the dishes, vacuums...
Then why does your ex claim you sit on your ass all day and night
trolling when dishes are piling up in the sink.
Another one of your many lies Glasser.
On Jan 23, 2026 at 6:13:08 AM MST, "%" wrote <4oecne0kK8R-7u70nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrotemy windows computer just keeps getting better and better ,
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
On 1/20/26 22:14, Gremlin wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed,
21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older PCs...how >>>>>> many of these are socketed?
That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span.
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling repairability
will logically focus on those components which have lower lifespans.
They're used in
practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the effort to
socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them and replace them >>>>> with a fresh component and solder whether it's SMD or THT. It's not even a 5
minute job once you have the necessary access to the component.
Soldering is either "fine to do", or an anathema: you're trying to make >>>> it situational, based on if you want to criticize a PC manufacturer.
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their computers
do not last as long... but the data show that people tend to keep Macs for a
lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-real-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
Other sources say much the same... and it means even though the purchase price
of a Mac is a bit higher, the long term costs are lower (this is not just from
longevity, but from fewer issues with malware, lower IT / tech support cost,
etc.
...
i still have days i say i didn't know it could do that
My Mac does things when I am not home to make my life better. It does my laundry, cleans the dishes, vacuums... just wish it had a word processor.
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6973a739$4$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
On Jan 23, 2026 at 6:13:08 AM MST, "%" wrote
<4oecne0kK8R-7u70nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrotemy windows computer just keeps getting better and better ,
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
On 1/20/26 22:14, Gremlin wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed, 21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT
in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older
PCs...how many of these are socketed?
That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span.
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling
repairability will logically focus on those components which have
lower lifespans.
They're used in
practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the
effort to socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them >>>>>> and replace them with a fresh component and solder whether it's
SMD or THT. It's not even a 5 minute job once you have the
necessary access to the component.
Soldering is either "fine to do", or an anathema: you're trying to
make it situational, based on if you want to criticize a PC
manufacturer.
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their
computers do not last as long... but the data show that people tend
to keep Macs for a lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-re
al-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
Other sources say much the same... and it means even though the
purchase price of a Mac is a bit higher, the long term costs are
lower (this is not just from longevity, but from fewer issues with
malware, lower IT / tech support cost, etc.
...
i still have days i say i didn't know it could do that
My Mac does things when I am not home to make my life better. It does
my laundry, cleans the dishes, vacuums...
Then why does your ex claim you sit on your ass all day and night
trolling when dishes are piling up in the sink.
Another one of your many lies Glasser.
Nobody wrote:
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote inwhat do you think and ex would say ,
news:6973a739$4$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
On Jan 23, 2026 at 6:13:08 AM MST, "%" wrote
<4oecne0kK8R-7u70nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrotemy windows computer just keeps getting better and better ,
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
On 1/20/26 22:14, Gremlin wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed, 21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT >>>>>>> in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older
PCs...how many of these are socketed?
That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span.
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling
repairability will logically focus on those components which have
lower lifespans.
They're used in
practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the >>>>>>> effort to socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them >>>>>>> and replace them with a fresh component and solder whether it's
SMD or THT. It's not even a 5 minute job once you have the
necessary access to the component.
Soldering is either "fine to do", or an anathema: you're trying to >>>>>> make it situational, based on if you want to criticize a PC
manufacturer.
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their
computers do not last as long... but the data show that people tend
to keep Macs for a lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-re >>>>> al-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
Other sources say much the same... and it means even though the
purchase price of a Mac is a bit higher, the long term costs are
lower (this is not just from longevity, but from fewer issues with
malware, lower IT / tech support cost, etc.
...
i still have days i say i didn't know it could do that
My Mac does things when I am not home to make my life better. It does
my laundry, cleans the dishes, vacuums...
Then why does your ex claim you sit on your ass all day and night
trolling when dishes are piling up in the sink.
Another one of your many lies Glasser.
talk about how great he is ,--
you don't know women much ,
but then you're nobody anyway
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 23, 2026 at 6:13:08 AM MST, "%" wrotemine does anything it even turned from 10 into 11
<4oecne0kK8R-7u70nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrotemy windows computer just keeps getting better and better ,
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
On 1/20/26 22:14, Gremlin wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed,
21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older PCs...how >>>>>>> many of these are socketed?
That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span.
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling repairability >>>>> will logically focus on those components which have lower lifespans. >>>>>
They're used in
practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the effort to
socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them and replace them
with a fresh component and solder whether it's SMD or THT. It's not even a 5
minute job once you have the necessary access to the component.
Soldering is either "fine to do", or an anathema: you're trying to make >>>>> it situational, based on if you want to criticize a PC manufacturer.
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their computers
do not last as long... but the data show that people tend to keep Macs for a
lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-real-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
Other sources say much the same... and it means even though the purchase price
of a Mac is a bit higher, the long term costs are lower (this is not just from
longevity, but from fewer issues with malware, lower IT / tech support cost,
etc.
...
i still have days i say i didn't know it could do that
My Mac does things when I am not home to make my life better. It does my
laundry, cleans the dishes, vacuums... just wish it had a word processor.
On 21 Jan 2026 15:43:46 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their
computers do not last as long... but the data show that people tend
to keep Macs for a lot longer than they keep PCs.
On Jan 24, 2026 at 2:30:32 PM MST, "%" wrote <TVGdncgQEZlnpOj0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>:
Nobody wrote:
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote inwhat do you think and ex would say ,
news:6973a739$4$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
On Jan 23, 2026 at 6:13:08 AM MST, "%" wrote
<4oecne0kK8R-7u70nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrotemy windows computer just keeps getting better and better ,
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
On 1/20/26 22:14, Gremlin wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed, 21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT >>>>>>>> in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older
PCs...how many of these are socketed?
That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span.
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling
repairability will logically focus on those components which have >>>>>>> lower lifespans.
They're used in
practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the >>>>>>>> effort to socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them >>>>>>>> and replace them with a fresh component and solder whether it's >>>>>>>> SMD or THT. It's not even a 5 minute job once you have the
necessary access to the component.
Soldering is either "fine to do", or an anathema: you're trying to >>>>>>> make it situational, based on if you want to criticize a PC
manufacturer.
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their >>>>>> computers do not last as long... but the data show that people tend >>>>>> to keep Macs for a lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-re >>>>>> al-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
Other sources say much the same... and it means even though the
purchase price of a Mac is a bit higher, the long term costs are
lower (this is not just from longevity, but from fewer issues with >>>>>> malware, lower IT / tech support cost, etc.
...
i still have days i say i didn't know it could do that
My Mac does things when I am not home to make my life better. It does
my laundry, cleans the dishes, vacuums...
Then why does your ex claim you sit on your ass all day and night
trolling when dishes are piling up in the sink.
Another one of your many lies Glasser.
Where is she saying anything... and what made me a celebrity in his eyes?
talk about how great he is ,
you don't know women much ,
but then you're nobody anyway
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 24, 2026 at 2:30:32 PM MST, "%" wrotewhat do ex partners usually do ,
<TVGdncgQEZlnpOj0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>:
Nobody wrote:
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote inwhat do you think and ex would say ,
news:6973a739$4$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
On Jan 23, 2026 at 6:13:08 AM MST, "%" wrote
<4oecne0kK8R-7u70nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Jan 21, 2026 at 7:00:29 AM MST, "-hh" wrotemy windows computer just keeps getting better and better ,
<10kqm5t$23fv6$2@dont-email.me>:
On 1/20/26 22:14, Gremlin wrote:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
news:10kp9kv$1nbgc$1@dont-email.me Wed, 21 Jan 2026 01:20:31 GMT >>>>>>>>> in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older >>>>>>>>>> PCs...how many of these are socketed?
That's not just PCs...Electrolytics do have a life span.
Everything has a finite life. The question of enabling
repairability will logically focus on those components which have >>>>>>>> lower lifespans.
They're used in
practically everything. I don't know why you'd want to spend the >>>>>>>>> effort to socket a two pin device? It's very easy to desolder them >>>>>>>>> and replace them with a fresh component and solder whether it's >>>>>>>>> SMD or THT. It's not even a 5 minute job once you have the
necessary access to the component.
Soldering is either "fine to do", or an anathema: you're trying to >>>>>>>> make it situational, based on if you want to criticize a PC
manufacturer.
Gremlin is trying to push the idea that Apple is bad because their >>>>>>> computers do not last as long... but the data show that people tend >>>>>>> to keep Macs for a lot longer than they keep PCs.
https://simplemdm.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-cost-of-ownership/
-----
Most experts agree that the average Mac computer can
operate optimally for approximately 6 to 8 years,
while the average Windows device is best retired
around 4 years.
-----
https://www.alwaysbeyond.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-for-business-whats-the-re >>>>>>> al-total-cost-of-ownership
-----
Average PC Lifecycle: ~3–4 years
Average Mac Lifecycle: ~5–6 years
-----
Other sources say much the same... and it means even though the
purchase price of a Mac is a bit higher, the long term costs are >>>>>>> lower (this is not just from longevity, but from fewer issues with >>>>>>> malware, lower IT / tech support cost, etc.
...
i still have days i say i didn't know it could do that
My Mac does things when I am not home to make my life better. It does >>>>> my laundry, cleans the dishes, vacuums...
Then why does your ex claim you sit on your ass all day and night
trolling when dishes are piling up in the sink.
Another one of your many lies Glasser.
Where is she saying anything... and what made me a celebrity in his eyes?
talk about how great he is ,
you don't know women much ,
but then you're nobody anyway
they slam each other ,
to anyone that will listen ,
so its a poor example to say ,
your wife says you don't wash dishes
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