• Why has new bookwork installation given me a newer kernel than an upgraded bookworm?

    From Chris Green@cl@isbd.net to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Thu Jan 30 16:00:33 2025
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    I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a new Pi 4B and
    it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.

    I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have
    updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.

    Why hasn't the older (to me) system got the latest kernel as installed
    on the new one?
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    Chris Green
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  • From Marco Moock@mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Thu Jan 30 19:39:21 2025
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    On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:

    I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a
    new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.

    I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have
    updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.

    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    Then
    apt policy <package>
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    kind regards
    Marco

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  • From Chris Green@cl@isbd.net to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Thu Jan 30 20:54:29 2025
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    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:

    I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a
    new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.

    I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.

    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
    not what's actually installed.

    There isn't anything actually installed with a package name matching 'linux-image':-

    chris@homepi$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
    chris@homepi$


    The 'older' system has /boot/kernel8.img installed from the
    raspberrypi-kernel package.

    The 'newer' system says /boot/kernel8.img comes from the
    raspberrypi-kernel package but there isn't any raspberrypi-kernel
    package installed. :-

    root@newodinpi:~# apt-file search kernel8.img
    raspberrypi-kernel: /boot/kernel8.img
    root@newodinpi:~# dpkg -l | grep raspberrypi-kernel
    root@newodinpi:~#

    Something is funny here!
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    Chris Green
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Thu Jan 30 21:30:13 2025
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    On 30/01/2025 20:54, Chris Green wrote:
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:

    I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a
    new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.

    I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have
    updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.

    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
    not what's actually installed.

    There isn't anything actually installed with a package name matching 'linux-image':-

    chris@homepi$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
    chris@homepi$


    The 'older' system has /boot/kernel8.img installed from the raspberrypi-kernel package.

    The 'newer' system says /boot/kernel8.img comes from the
    raspberrypi-kernel package but there isn't any raspberrypi-kernel
    package installed. :-

    root@newodinpi:~# apt-file search kernel8.img
    raspberrypi-kernel: /boot/kernel8.img
    root@newodinpi:~# dpkg -l | grep raspberrypi-kernel
    root@newodinpi:~#

    Something is funny here!

    Don't you have to use apt-get dist-upgrade to install newer kernels?
    I assumed that was to avoid the need to reboot on automated updates.

    Yeah. I think I am right. The policy is not to change the kernel on
    normal upgrades
    --
    "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
    that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

    Jonathan Swift.

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  • From Chris Green@cl@isbd.net to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Thu Jan 30 21:41:28 2025
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    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 30/01/2025 20:54, Chris Green wrote:
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:

    I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a
    new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.

    I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have
    updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.

    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
    not what's actually installed.

    There isn't anything actually installed with a package name matching 'linux-image':-

    chris@homepi$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
    chris@homepi$


    The 'older' system has /boot/kernel8.img installed from the raspberrypi-kernel package.

    The 'newer' system says /boot/kernel8.img comes from the
    raspberrypi-kernel package but there isn't any raspberrypi-kernel
    package installed. :-

    root@newodinpi:~# apt-file search kernel8.img
    raspberrypi-kernel: /boot/kernel8.img
    root@newodinpi:~# dpkg -l | grep raspberrypi-kernel
    root@newodinpi:~#

    Something is funny here!

    Don't you have to use apt-get dist-upgrade to install newer kernels?
    I assumed that was to avoid the need to reboot on automated updates.

    Yeah. I think I am right. The policy is not to change the kernel on
    normal upgrades

    I tried that, no change, still 6.1 kernel:-

    root@homepi# uname -a
    Linux homepi 6.1.21-v8+ #1642 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 3 17:24:16 BST 2023 aarch64 GNU/Linux
    root@homepi# apt update
    Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease [48.0 kB]
    Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
    Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
    Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bookworm InRelease
    Get:5 https://apt.syncthing.net syncthing InRelease [15.7 kB]
    Fetched 63.6 kB in 2s (38.1 kB/s)
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    All packages are up to date.
    root@homepi# apt dist-upgrade
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    Calculating upgrade... Done
    0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
    root@homepi#
    --
    Chris Green
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Thu Jan 30 22:24:26 2025
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    On 30/01/2025 21:41, Chris Green wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 30/01/2025 20:54, Chris Green wrote:
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:

    I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a
    new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.

    I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have >>>>> updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.

    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
    not what's actually installed.

    There isn't anything actually installed with a package name matching
    'linux-image':-

    chris@homepi$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
    chris@homepi$


    The 'older' system has /boot/kernel8.img installed from the
    raspberrypi-kernel package.

    The 'newer' system says /boot/kernel8.img comes from the
    raspberrypi-kernel package but there isn't any raspberrypi-kernel
    package installed. :-

    root@newodinpi:~# apt-file search kernel8.img
    raspberrypi-kernel: /boot/kernel8.img
    root@newodinpi:~# dpkg -l | grep raspberrypi-kernel
    root@newodinpi:~#

    Something is funny here!

    Don't you have to use apt-get dist-upgrade to install newer kernels?
    I assumed that was to avoid the need to reboot on automated updates.

    Yeah. I think I am right. The policy is not to change the kernel on
    normal upgrades

    I tried that, no change, still 6.1 kernel:-

    root@homepi# uname -a
    Linux homepi 6.1.21-v8+ #1642 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 3 17:24:16 BST 2023 aarch64 GNU/Linux
    root@homepi# apt update
    Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease [48.0 kB]
    Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
    Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
    Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bookworm InRelease
    Get:5 https://apt.syncthing.net syncthing InRelease [15.7 kB]
    Fetched 63.6 kB in 2s (38.1 kB/s)
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    All packages are up to date.
    root@homepi# apt dist-upgrade
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    Calculating upgrade... Done
    0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
    root@homepi#


    Odd. apt and apt-get may have different rules

    "apt-get upgrade only upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities. It does
    not install new Linux kernel of the OS.

    "apt upgrade upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities and installs new
    Linux kernel of the OS. However, it never removes old packages.

    "apt full-upgrade upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities and installs
    new Linux kernel of the OS. It also removes old packages if needed for
    the upgrade."

    It looks to me apt full-upgrade does the same thing as apt-get
    dist-upgrade. That is to say the full-upgrade will check for and install
    a new kernel if available and removes old packages if the removal is
    necessary for the upgrade."

    I don't think apt dist-upgrade is actually a valid command.

    "apt full-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade are the same command. But
    again apt is the newer command."

    Anyway see if any of that works., I am pretty sure it did for me
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    news paper, you are mis-informed."

    Mark Twain

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Fri Jan 31 00:45:21 2025
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    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:54:29 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    Then
    apt policy <package>

    That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
    not what's actually installed.

    You forgot the “policy” part.
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  • From Chris Green@cl@isbd.net to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Fri Jan 31 09:00:16 2025
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    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 30/01/2025 21:41, Chris Green wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 30/01/2025 20:54, Chris Green wrote:
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:

    I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a >>>>> new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.

    I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have >>>>> updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.

    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see, >>> not what's actually installed.

    There isn't anything actually installed with a package name matching
    'linux-image':-

    chris@homepi$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
    chris@homepi$


    The 'older' system has /boot/kernel8.img installed from the
    raspberrypi-kernel package.

    The 'newer' system says /boot/kernel8.img comes from the
    raspberrypi-kernel package but there isn't any raspberrypi-kernel
    package installed. :-

    root@newodinpi:~# apt-file search kernel8.img
    raspberrypi-kernel: /boot/kernel8.img
    root@newodinpi:~# dpkg -l | grep raspberrypi-kernel
    root@newodinpi:~#

    Something is funny here!

    Don't you have to use apt-get dist-upgrade to install newer kernels?
    I assumed that was to avoid the need to reboot on automated updates.

    Yeah. I think I am right. The policy is not to change the kernel on
    normal upgrades

    I tried that, no change, still 6.1 kernel:-

    root@homepi# uname -a
    Linux homepi 6.1.21-v8+ #1642 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 3 17:24:16 BST 2023 aarch64 GNU/Linux
    root@homepi# apt update
    Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease [48.0 kB]
    Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
    Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
    Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bookworm InRelease
    Get:5 https://apt.syncthing.net syncthing InRelease [15.7 kB]
    Fetched 63.6 kB in 2s (38.1 kB/s)
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    All packages are up to date.
    root@homepi# apt dist-upgrade
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    Calculating upgrade... Done
    0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
    root@homepi#


    Odd. apt and apt-get may have different rules

    "apt-get upgrade only upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities. It does
    not install new Linux kernel of the OS.

    "apt upgrade upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities and installs new
    Linux kernel of the OS. However, it never removes old packages.

    "apt full-upgrade upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities and installs
    new Linux kernel of the OS. It also removes old packages if needed for
    the upgrade."

    It looks to me apt full-upgrade does the same thing as apt-get
    dist-upgrade. That is to say the full-upgrade will check for and install
    a new kernel if available and removes old packages if the removal is necessary for the upgrade."

    I don't think apt dist-upgrade is actually a valid command.

    "apt full-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade are the same command. But
    again apt is the newer command."

    Anyway see if any of that works., I am pretty sure it did for me

    root@homepi# apt-get update
    Hit:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
    Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease [55.4 kB]
    Get:3 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease [48.0 kB]
    Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bookworm InRelease
    Get:5 https://apt.syncthing.net syncthing InRelease [15.7 kB]
    Fetched 119 kB in 2s (71.8 kB/s)
    Reading package lists... Done
    root@homepi# apt-get dist-upgrade
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    Calculating upgrade... Done
    0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
    root@homepi# apt update
    Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease
    Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
    Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
    Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bookworm InRelease
    Get:5 https://apt.syncthing.net syncthing InRelease [15.7 kB]
    Fetched 15.7 kB in 2s (9,499 B/s)
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    All packages are up to date.
    root@homepi# apt full-upgrade
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    Calculating upgrade... Done
    0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
    root@homepi# uname -a
    Linux homepi 6.1.21-v8+ #1642 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 3 17:24:16 BST 2023 aarch64 GNU/Linux
    root@homepi#

    They both look the same to me, neither of them gets the latest kernel.

    I think running 'rpi-update' may update the kernel but it shouldn't be necessary to do that.
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    Chris Green
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  • From Chris Green@cl@isbd.net to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Fri Jan 31 09:04:19 2025
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    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:54:29 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    Then
    apt policy <package>

    That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
    not what's actually installed.

    You forgot the “policy” part.

    I meant that "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" lists every possible
    matching package.

    Without knowing what <package> I'm interested in "apt policy
    <package>" isn't much help.


    None of the packages listed by "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" is
    installed on my system. If I do "apt list --installed 'linux-image*'"
    which I think is maybe what was intended it shows nothing. In other
    words the kernel is no longer in a package called anything like
    linux-image.
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    Chris Green
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  • From Chris Green@cl@isbd.net to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Fri Jan 31 09:48:07 2025
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    I think there's something awry or different in some way on the older
    system. There is a hardware difference, the older system (which is a
    2Gb Pi 4B) boots in the standard way from an SD card. The newer
    system (which is a 1Gb Pi 4B) boots from USB.

    The contents of /boot are different on the two systems:-

    Newer Pi 4B (wiht kernel 6.6.62):-

    chris@newodinpi$ ls /boot
    System.map-6.6.51+rpt-rpi-2712 config-6.6.51+rpt-rpi-v8 initrd.img-6.6.51+rpt-rpi-v8 vmlinuz-6.6.51+rpt-rpi-v8
    System.map-6.6.51+rpt-rpi-v8 config-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-2712 initrd.img-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-2712 vmlinuz-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-2712
    System.map-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-2712 config-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 initrd.img-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 vmlinuz-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8
    System.map-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 config.txt issue.txt
    cmdline.txt firmware overlays
    config-6.6.51+rpt-rpi-2712 initrd.img-6.6.51+rpt-rpi-2712 vmlinuz-6.6.51+rpt-rpi-2712
    chris@newodinpi$

    Older Pi 4B (with kernel 6.1.21):-

    chris@homepi$ ls /boot
    COPYING.linux bcm2710-rpi-zero-2.dtb cmdline.txt fixup_cd.dat start4.elf
    LICENCE.broadcom bcm2711-rpi-4-b.dtb config.txt fixup_db.dat start4cd.elf
    bcm2710-rpi-2-b.dtb bcm2711-rpi-400.dtb fixup.dat fixup_x.dat start4db.elf
    bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb bcm2711-rpi-cm4-io.dtb fixup4.dat issue.txt start4x.elf
    bcm2710-rpi-3-b.dtb bcm2711-rpi-cm4.dtb fixup4cd.dat kernel8.img start_cd.elf
    bcm2710-rpi-cm3.dtb bcm2711-rpi-cm4s.dtb fixup4db.dat overlays start_db.elf
    bcm2710-rpi-zero-2-w.dtb bootcode.bin fixup4x.dat start.elf start_x.elf
    chris@homepi$


    The newer system has all the bcm and similar files in /boot/firmware. I can't see the vmlinuz
    files and such anywhere on the older system.

    The older system does seem to have a rather anomolous configuration:-

    root@homepi# apt-file search vmlinuz-6.6.62
    linux-image-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-2712: /boot/vmlinuz-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-2712
    linux-image-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8: /boot/vmlinuz-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8

    So apt thinks the vmlinuz files should be in /boot but they definitely aren't there.
    It also shows the version as 6.6.62 and that *isn't* the actually running kernel.



    I have just tried:-

    apt reinstall linux-image-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v7
    apt reinstall linux-image-6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8
    apt reinstall linux-image-6.6.51+rpt-rpi-2712


    But apart from installing the vmlinuz files in /boot that hasn't changed anything,
    it still boots into a 6.1.21 kernel.

    It seems maybe as if something in the boot sequence is different/wrong.
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    Chris Green
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Fri Jan 31 10:03:44 2025
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    On 31/01/2025 09:04, Chris Green wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:54:29 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    Then
    apt policy <package>

    That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
    not what's actually installed.

    You forgot the “policy” part.

    I meant that "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" lists every possible matching package.

    Without knowing what <package> I'm interested in "apt policy
    <package>" isn't much help.


    None of the packages listed by "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" is installed on my system. If I do "apt list --installed 'linux-image*'"
    which I think is maybe what was intended it shows nothing. In other
    words the kernel is no longer in a package called anything like
    linux-image.

    Did you try
    apt-get dist-upgrade
    or
    apt fullupgrade
    yet???
    --
    All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
    all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
    fully understood.


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  • From Chris Green@cl@isbd.net to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Fri Jan 31 10:24:27 2025
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    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 31/01/2025 09:04, Chris Green wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:54:29 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    Then
    apt policy <package>

    That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see, >>> not what's actually installed.

    You forgot the “policy” part.

    I meant that "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" lists every possible matching package.

    Without knowing what <package> I'm interested in "apt policy
    <package>" isn't much help.


    None of the packages listed by "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" is installed on my system. If I do "apt list --installed 'linux-image*'" which I think is maybe what was intended it shows nothing. In other
    words the kernel is no longer in a package called anything like linux-image.

    Did you try
    apt-get dist-upgrade
    or
    apt fullupgrade
    yet???

    Yes, no help.

    However I'm pretty sure I have found the problem, see:-

    https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=380470

    Obviously my 'older' system has been upgraded from Bullseye to
    Bookworm but not properly/completely. I don't really remember doing
    it but I guess I must have at some point.

    It's not got a lot of cusotmisation, I'll probably just do a reinstall
    from scratch which will guarantee it's 'clean'.
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Fri Jan 31 10:37:01 2025
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    On 31/01/2025 10:24, Chris Green wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 31/01/2025 09:04, Chris Green wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:54:29 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    Then
    apt policy <package>

    That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see, >>>>> not what's actually installed.

    You forgot the “policy” part.

    I meant that "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" lists every possible
    matching package.

    Without knowing what <package> I'm interested in "apt policy
    <package>" isn't much help.


    None of the packages listed by "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" is
    installed on my system. If I do "apt list --installed 'linux-image*'"
    which I think is maybe what was intended it shows nothing. In other
    words the kernel is no longer in a package called anything like
    linux-image.

    Did you try
    apt-get dist-upgrade
    or
    apt fullupgrade
    yet???

    Yes, no help.

    However I'm pretty sure I have found the problem, see:-

    https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=380470

    Obviously my 'older' system has been upgraded from Bullseye to
    Bookworm but not properly/completely. I don't really remember doing
    it but I guess I must have at some point.

    Ah. I think if you install the 'generic' kernel you will upgrade to the
    latest stable

    It's not got a lot of cusotmisation, I'll probably just do a reinstall
    from scratch which will guarantee it's 'clean'.

    If upgrades get scratchy that's what I end up doing.
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  • From Brian Gregory@void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Thu Feb 6 19:49:36 2025
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    On 30/01/2025 18:39, Marco Moock wrote:
    apt list installed 'linux-image*'

    I think you mean:

    apt list --installed
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  • From Brian Gregory@void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid to comp.sys.raspberry-pi on Thu Feb 6 19:51:23 2025
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    On 31/01/2025 09:04, Chris Green wrote:
    None of the packages listed by "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" is installed on my system. If I do "apt list --installed 'linux-image*'"
    which I think is maybe what was intended it shows nothing. In other
    words the kernel is no longer in a package called anything like
    linux-image.

    Correct.
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