I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a
new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.
I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have
updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.
On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:
I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a
new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.
I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.
apt list installed 'linux-image*'
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a
new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.
I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have
updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.
apt list installed 'linux-image*'
not what's actually installed.
There isn't anything actually installed with a package name matching 'linux-image':-
chris@homepi$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
chris@homepi$
The 'older' system has /boot/kernel8.img installed from the raspberrypi-kernel package.
The 'newer' system says /boot/kernel8.img comes from the
raspberrypi-kernel package but there isn't any raspberrypi-kernel
package installed. :-
root@newodinpi:~# apt-file search kernel8.img
raspberrypi-kernel: /boot/kernel8.img
root@newodinpi:~# dpkg -l | grep raspberrypi-kernel
root@newodinpi:~#
Something is funny here!
On 30/01/2025 20:54, Chris Green wrote:
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a
new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.
I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have
updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.
apt list installed 'linux-image*'
not what's actually installed.
There isn't anything actually installed with a package name matching 'linux-image':-
chris@homepi$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
chris@homepi$
The 'older' system has /boot/kernel8.img installed from the raspberrypi-kernel package.
The 'newer' system says /boot/kernel8.img comes from the
raspberrypi-kernel package but there isn't any raspberrypi-kernel
package installed. :-
root@newodinpi:~# apt-file search kernel8.img
raspberrypi-kernel: /boot/kernel8.img
root@newodinpi:~# dpkg -l | grep raspberrypi-kernel
root@newodinpi:~#
Something is funny here!
Don't you have to use apt-get dist-upgrade to install newer kernels?
I assumed that was to avoid the need to reboot on automated updates.
Yeah. I think I am right. The policy is not to change the kernel on
normal upgrades
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/01/2025 20:54, Chris Green wrote:I tried that, no change, still 6.1 kernel:-
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:Don't you have to use apt-get dist-upgrade to install newer kernels?
On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a
new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.
I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have >>>>> updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.
apt list installed 'linux-image*'
not what's actually installed.
There isn't anything actually installed with a package name matching
'linux-image':-
chris@homepi$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
chris@homepi$
The 'older' system has /boot/kernel8.img installed from the
raspberrypi-kernel package.
The 'newer' system says /boot/kernel8.img comes from the
raspberrypi-kernel package but there isn't any raspberrypi-kernel
package installed. :-
root@newodinpi:~# apt-file search kernel8.img
raspberrypi-kernel: /boot/kernel8.img
root@newodinpi:~# dpkg -l | grep raspberrypi-kernel
root@newodinpi:~#
Something is funny here!
I assumed that was to avoid the need to reboot on automated updates.
Yeah. I think I am right. The policy is not to change the kernel on
normal upgrades
root@homepi# uname -a
Linux homepi 6.1.21-v8+ #1642 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 3 17:24:16 BST 2023 aarch64 GNU/Linux
root@homepi# apt update
Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease [48.0 kB]
Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bookworm InRelease
Get:5 https://apt.syncthing.net syncthing InRelease [15.7 kB]
Fetched 63.6 kB in 2s (38.1 kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.
root@homepi# apt dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
root@homepi#
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
apt list installed 'linux-image*'That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
Then
apt policy <package>
not what's actually installed.
On 30/01/2025 21:41, Chris Green wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/01/2025 20:54, Chris Green wrote:I tried that, no change, still 6.1 kernel:-
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:Don't you have to use apt-get dist-upgrade to install newer kernels?
On 30.01.2025 16:00 Uhr Chris Green wrote:That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see, >>> not what's actually installed.
I'm confused, I've just installed Raspberry Pi OS (Bookworkm) on a >>>>> new Pi 4B and it has installed Kernel: 6.6.62+rpt-rpi-v8 aarch64.
I have another 4B on which I installed Bookworm a while ago and have >>>>> updated regularly and it only has Kernel: 6.1.21-v8+ aarch64.
apt list installed 'linux-image*'
There isn't anything actually installed with a package name matching
'linux-image':-
chris@homepi$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
chris@homepi$
The 'older' system has /boot/kernel8.img installed from the
raspberrypi-kernel package.
The 'newer' system says /boot/kernel8.img comes from the
raspberrypi-kernel package but there isn't any raspberrypi-kernel
package installed. :-
root@newodinpi:~# apt-file search kernel8.img
raspberrypi-kernel: /boot/kernel8.img
root@newodinpi:~# dpkg -l | grep raspberrypi-kernel
root@newodinpi:~#
Something is funny here!
I assumed that was to avoid the need to reboot on automated updates.
Yeah. I think I am right. The policy is not to change the kernel on
normal upgrades
root@homepi# uname -a
Linux homepi 6.1.21-v8+ #1642 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 3 17:24:16 BST 2023 aarch64 GNU/Linux
root@homepi# apt update
Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease [48.0 kB]
Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
Hit:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bookworm InRelease
Get:5 https://apt.syncthing.net syncthing InRelease [15.7 kB]
Fetched 63.6 kB in 2s (38.1 kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.
root@homepi# apt dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
root@homepi#
Odd. apt and apt-get may have different rules
"apt-get upgrade only upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities. It does
not install new Linux kernel of the OS.
"apt upgrade upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities and installs new
Linux kernel of the OS. However, it never removes old packages.
"apt full-upgrade upgrades the apps, tools, and utilities and installs
new Linux kernel of the OS. It also removes old packages if needed for
the upgrade."
It looks to me apt full-upgrade does the same thing as apt-get
dist-upgrade. That is to say the full-upgrade will check for and install
a new kernel if available and removes old packages if the removal is necessary for the upgrade."
I don't think apt dist-upgrade is actually a valid command.
"apt full-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade are the same command. But
again apt is the newer command."
Anyway see if any of that works., I am pretty sure it did for me
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:54:29 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
apt list installed 'linux-image*'That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
Then
apt policy <package>
not what's actually installed.
You forgot the “policy” part.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:54:29 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
apt list installed 'linux-image*'That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see,
Then
apt policy <package>
not what's actually installed.
You forgot the “policy” part.
I meant that "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" lists every possible matching package.
Without knowing what <package> I'm interested in "apt policy
<package>" isn't much help.
None of the packages listed by "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" is installed on my system. If I do "apt list --installed 'linux-image*'"
which I think is maybe what was intended it shows nothing. In other
words the kernel is no longer in a package called anything like
linux-image.
On 31/01/2025 09:04, Chris Green wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:54:29 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
apt list installed 'linux-image*'That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see, >>> not what's actually installed.
Then
apt policy <package>
You forgot the “policy” part.
I meant that "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" lists every possible matching package.
Without knowing what <package> I'm interested in "apt policy
<package>" isn't much help.
None of the packages listed by "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" is installed on my system. If I do "apt list --installed 'linux-image*'" which I think is maybe what was intended it shows nothing. In other
words the kernel is no longer in a package called anything like linux-image.
Did you try
apt-get dist-upgrade
or
apt fullupgrade
yet???
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 31/01/2025 09:04, Chris Green wrote:Yes, no help.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Did you try
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:54:29 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
apt list installed 'linux-image*'That simply lists every possible matching package as far as I can see, >>>>> not what's actually installed.
Then
apt policy <package>
You forgot the “policy” part.
I meant that "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" lists every possible
matching package.
Without knowing what <package> I'm interested in "apt policy
<package>" isn't much help.
None of the packages listed by "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" is
installed on my system. If I do "apt list --installed 'linux-image*'"
which I think is maybe what was intended it shows nothing. In other
words the kernel is no longer in a package called anything like
linux-image.
apt-get dist-upgrade
or
apt fullupgrade
yet???
However I'm pretty sure I have found the problem, see:-
https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=380470
Obviously my 'older' system has been upgraded from Bullseye to
Bookworm but not properly/completely. I don't really remember doing
it but I guess I must have at some point.
It's not got a lot of cusotmisation, I'll probably just do a reinstall
from scratch which will guarantee it's 'clean'.
apt list installed 'linux-image*'
None of the packages listed by "apt list installed 'linux-image*'" is installed on my system. If I do "apt list --installed 'linux-image*'"
which I think is maybe what was intended it shows nothing. In other
words the kernel is no longer in a package called anything like
linux-image.
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