It's been a long and slow battle, but victory is soon at hand. It is >projected that by 2028, PC gaming revenue is expected to surprass
revenue for console gaming.*
PC has already surpassed the revenue for any individual console
platform's sales: PS5, Nintendo Switch, that one from Microsoft that
used to be popular (what was it called again? ;-)... they all lag
behind the PC in revenue. But soon the PC will be so popular that even >/combined/ the console market won't be able to compete.
Pretty good for a platform that was declared dead twenty years back.
Maybe going back to PS5 exclusivity isn't the best strategy, Sony, ya
think?
The only fly in the ointment is that --as great as PC is doing--
mobile is doing even better. In fact, some are even saying that soon
nobody will be developing for PC anymore, but instead everything will
be mobile.
We'll see about that. Come back for a follow-up report in twenty
years.
It's been a long and slow battle, but victory is soon at hand. It is projected that by 2028, PC gaming revenue is expected to surprass
revenue for console gaming.*
PC has already surpassed the revenue for any individual console
platform's sales: PS5, Nintendo Switch, that one from Microsoft that
used to be popular (what was it called again? ;-)... they all lag
behind the PC in revenue. But soon the PC will be so popular that even /combined/ the console market won't be able to compete.
Pretty good for a platform that was declared dead twenty years back.
Maybe going back to PS5 exclusivity isn't the best strategy, Sony, ya
think?
The only fly in the ointment is that --as great as PC is doing--
mobile is doing even better. In fact, some are even saying that soon
nobody will be developing for PC anymore, but instead everything will
be mobile.
We'll see about that. Come back for a follow-up report in twenty
years.
It's been a long and slow battle, but victory is soon at hand. It is >projected that by 2028, PC gaming revenue is expected to surprass
revenue for console gaming.*
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 13:12:48 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Can anyone even afford a PC any more? I just checked on the 64 GB of RAM
I bought for a little over $200 a year ago. It now costs over $850.
We'll see what the PC gaming revenue reports look like after the AI bros
get done wreaking havoc on the consumer markets. I suspect a strong dip
in 3-5 years.
AI can't fail fast enough, afaic.
We'll see what the PC gaming revenue reports look like after the AI bros
get done wreaking havoc on the consumer markets. I suspect a strong dip
in 3-5 years.
AI can't fail fast enough, afaic.
But the cluelessness of the AI-bros amuses me. It's right up there
with the crypto-bros who thought everyone would leap to bitcoin and
NFTs, and then were bemused when --after the initial hype cycle
faded-- they were left with mostly worthless pictures of ugly frogs.
But its especially stupid regarding AI in games. We want to play good
games, and your product prevents us from doing that. Is there any
wonder gamers are against it?!?
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 12:02:03 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
But its especially stupid regarding AI in games. We want to play good >>games, and your product prevents us from doing that. Is there any
wonder gamers are against it?!?
There are whole games where you converse with an LLM. They suck.
<rant>Basically, we're seeing sunk cost fallacy. Tech bros made an
amazing leap with their processing algorithms where LLMs sounded so human >that some idiots even thought it was conscious. They figured they didn't
have very far to go to make it a killer product. They circulated stories >about AI causing an extinction event, it was so groundbreaking, just to >generate buzz. Then they created a killer tech demo, and a bunch of
people who don't deserve to hold their jobs any longer bought into it.
And... oh fuck that was really way too optimistic, because they don't >understand *how* they got the results they did, and so they don't know
how to fix it and make it a usable product. Make a small tweak and it's >spewing Mein Kampf.
Where we absolutely know it went off the rails is when all the AI
services started adding the boilerplate: "LLM Generated results may be >inaccurate." Translation from their lawyer-speak is "Our product is >irretrievably broken." They all do it now, in one way or another.
And you can't confirm anything, because it's synthesized from everything.
So it's completely useless if you need to rely on its output.
They can't fix it. It's not getting any better. They're fucked. To their >chagrin, they spent out an awful lot of speculative money and some
powerful people have big bucks riding on this fool's gold.
I'm personally convinced they're now attempting to get "Too big to fail." >People like this always find a way to skirt consequences. They'll
threaten to crash the world economy before they eat their own shit
sandwich. At this point, I'm on team "it can burn." These people need to >suffer consequences or we will get crashes that hurt you and me and never >touch them. If that means I'm back to flint and steel, so be it.
</rant>
- - -
And what does LLM, and ML in general, have to do with games AI? There's >machine learning processes to make AI really good at, say, Counterstrike,
so long as no one learns and adapts, but it requires more compute power
and time than anyone wants to bother with for gaming. We'd need quantum
NPs to do the real-time work necessary. Chess lends itself to algorithmic >computation. RTS or FPS? No way.
I'm not surprised devs and pubs did the "unfaithful boyfriend" head turn,
it was sexy as hell, but it should have ended there. The last thing our
toys need is an unreliable, possibly unsafe toy integrated into them.
And NFTs. Fuck NFTs. Had to mention them. It's context.
And in the meantime, hey, the world gets premium-level child-porn
generators that requires mega-gallons of water, gigawatts of power,
billions of dollars of hardware and is eliminating jobs across the
world. Doesn't that all make it worth it?
This reminds me of a thoughtful Thai show on Netflix called Tomorrow + i.
It has a very "The Outer Limits" feel to it.
The second episode, "paradistopia" in particular, as far as AI generated >porn.
Although the iBuddy episode is even better. AI generated virtue. I highly >recommend the series.
Still, I suspect the AI espoused by any of these shows is 1000% better
than the over-glorified chat-bots we currently have. All the copyright >violating, porn-generating, privacy-destroying, environment-stomping,
and technology-hoarding wouldn't be quite so bad if it actually
resulted in a worthwhile product. HAL9000 they ain't.
On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 19:10:33 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
said this thing:
In a related-to-gaming news (this is a gaming newsgroup, remember?
That's why they call it comp.sys.ibm.pc.games ;-), Nvidia has stepped
into it with their handling of the DLSS5 announcement.
To say the release of the technology has not gone down well with
gamers --or at least an extremely vocal minority-- is an
understatement. So of course the CEO of nvidia --which has bet biggly
on AI-- had to double-down in the most condescending way... and that's
made things even worse.
Honestly, I don't think it's all as bad as those gamers make it sound (although the memes are funny) but it does reflect the growing dislike
of generative AI being forced into everything. And no customer base
likes being told they are completely wrong. But I love watching CEOs
shoot themselves in the foot. Totally justifying your classes' overly
high salaries once again, Huang! You're just so good at reading the
room!
He'd have done better distancing the technology from generative AI...
it might have gone down better with the customers. But nvidia is so
focused on AI these days they can't imagine that people find it
distasteful. I can imagine nvidia CEO Huang staring into the mirror
and asking: "Is nvidia out of touch? No, no, it's the customers who
are wrong."
There is the old saying, wish I could remember all of it, "The
customer is always..." something or another. ;)
There is the old saying, wish I could remember all of it, "The customer
is always..." something or another. ;)
On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 19:10:33 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
said this thing:
In a related-to-gaming news (this is a gaming newsgroup, remember?
That's why they call it comp.sys.ibm.pc.games ;-), Nvidia has stepped
into it with their handling of the DLSS5 announcement.
On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 19:10:33 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
said this thing:
In a related-to-gaming news (this is a gaming newsgroup, remember?
That's why they call it comp.sys.ibm.pc.games ;-), Nvidia has stepped
into it with their handling of the DLSS5 announcement.
To say the release of the technology has not gone down well with
gamers --or at least an extremely vocal minority-- is an
understatement. So of course the CEO of nvidia --which has bet biggly
on AI-- had to double-down in the most condescending way... and that's
made things even worse.
Honestly, I don't think it's all as bad as those gamers make it sound >(although the memes are funny) but it does reflect the growing dislike
of generative AI being forced into everything. And no customer base
likes being told they are completely wrong. But I love watching CEOs
shoot themselves in the foot. Totally justifying your classes' overly
high salaries once again, Huang! You're just so good at reading the
room!
He'd have done better distancing the technology from generative AI...
it might have gone down better with the customers. But nvidia is so
focused on AI these days they can't imagine that people find it
distasteful. I can imagine nvidia CEO Huang staring into the mirror
and asking: "Is nvidia out of touch? No, no, it's the customers who
are wrong."
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 17:25:08 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> said this thing:
There is the old saying, wish I could remember all of it, "The customer
is always..." something or another. ;)
Reputedly, the phrase is: "The customer is always right... in matters
of taste", reportedly coined by British retailer Harry Gordon
Selfridge (there's some debate if that's true). But when it comes to
what customers like and dislike, it does no good to argue with them.
On less subjective matters, customers can very much be wrong. As can
be attested to by anyone who has ever had to deal with customers or
clients. ;-)
The thing is, in this case Nvidia might be correct. But their response
was still bad form and only aggravated the naysayers even more. But
nvidia is so deeply entrenched in AI that they feel obligated to
defend and promote its use at any opportunity. Sure, it may lose them
some gaming customers... but its great for attracting other AI firms.
"If our GPUs can do this for games, imagine how they can manipulate
pictures in your server farms".
Didja know, Nividia is now worth $5 trillion USD? Bigger than Apple,
bigger than Microsoft, bigger than Tesla (or whatever we're calling it
today, Elon), bigger than Google or Facebook... and its all built on
AI cash.
But that bubble's gonna burst eventually...
On 3/19/2026 10:04 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
In a related-to-gaming news (this is a gaming newsgroup, remember?
That's why they call it comp.sys.ibm.pc.games ;-), Nvidia has stepped
into it with their handling of the DLSS5 announcement.
This really deserves it's own post. Unfortunately I don't have enough
time to post my thoughts on it right now.
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 17:25:08 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> said this thing:
There is the old saying, wish I could remember all of it, "The customer
is always..." something or another. ;)
Reputedly, the phrase is: "The customer is always right... in matters
of taste", reportedly coined by British retailer Harry Gordon
Selfridge (there's some debate if that's true). But when it comes to
what customers like and dislike, it does no good to argue with them.
On less subjective matters, customers can very much be wrong. As can
be attested to by anyone who has ever had to deal with customers or
clients. ;-)
On Thu, 19 Mar 2026 13:04:12 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 19:10:33 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
said this thing:
In a related-to-gaming news (this is a gaming newsgroup, remember?
That's why they call it comp.sys.ibm.pc.games ;-), Nvidia has stepped
into it with their handling of the DLSS5 announcement.
To say the release of the technology has not gone down well with
gamers --or at least an extremely vocal minority-- is an
understatement. So of course the CEO of nvidia --which has bet biggly
on AI-- had to double-down in the most condescending way... and that's
made things even worse.
Honestly, I don't think it's all as bad as those gamers make it sound >>(although the memes are funny) but it does reflect the growing dislike
of generative AI being forced into everything. And no customer base
likes being told they are completely wrong. But I love watching CEOs
shoot themselves in the foot. Totally justifying your classes' overly
high salaries once again, Huang! You're just so good at reading the
room!
He'd have done better distancing the technology from generative AI...
it might have gone down better with the customers. But nvidia is so
focused on AI these days they can't imagine that people find it >>distasteful. I can imagine nvidia CEO Huang staring into the mirror
and asking: "Is nvidia out of touch? No, no, it's the customers who
are wrong."
"You're holding it wrong." Steve Jobs.
I think they sell RDFs in B-school now, but Steve pioneered the product.
The entire AI boom feels like an endless parade of "holding it wrong" >accusations after everyone pushes back and the actual numbers come in.
Can anyone even afford a PC any more? I just checked on the 64 GB of RAM
I bought for a little over $200 a year ago. It now costs over $850.
We'll see what the PC gaming revenue reports look like after the AI bros
get done wreaking havoc on the consumer markets. I suspect a strong dip
in 3-5 years.
AI can't fail fast enough, afaic.
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 19:09:55 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
said this thing:
Can anyone even afford a PC any more? I just checked on the 64 GB of RAM
I bought for a little over $200 a year ago. It now costs over $850.
We'll see what the PC gaming revenue reports look like after the AI bros
get done wreaking havoc on the consumer markets. I suspect a strong dip
in 3-5 years.
AI can't fail fast enough, afaic.
In related news, shares of various RAM manufacturing companies are
starting to fall as it becomes more apparent that AI companies --for
whatever reason-- won't be able to meet the expectations that they
would buy all the RAM it was thought they would. OpenAI had an
(apparently non-binding) contract to buy 40% of manufactured RAM, but
it is now revealed that they won't manage that. We're starting to also
slowly seeing a dip in RAM prices, a change from the constant rise
over the past few months.*
This may not be so much a sign of the death of AI as a reaction to
news from Google about new memory optimizations for Large Language
Model AIs that cut down memory use by up to 6 times. If this
technology is all that is promised, it means current LLMs can run on
less RAM, and all that investment buying up huge stocks of RAM chips
has left AI companies with a surplus of the stuff.
But only for the moment. Because if the past forty years have shown us anything, it's that you can NEVER have enough RAM, and that eventually (assuming the AI bubble hasn't popped in the mean time), those same
corps will start gobbling up the RAM again.
Still, I like to imagine the faces of RAM-Corp CEOs as their stock
drops precipitously because they bet everything that the money from AI
would be never-ending. I take what little joy from life that I can get
these days ;-)
On 4/1/2026 9:01 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Still, I like to imagine the faces of RAM-Corp CEOs as their stock
drops precipitously because they bet everything that the money from AI
would be never-ending. I take what little joy from life that I can get
these days ;-)
Welcome news, but I just hope the ram manufacturers don't all go
bankrupt from overextending and betting on AI causing another shortage.
If there is a 'too big to fail' I'd rather see it thrown ram manufature
than AI vaporware.
Whether RAM prices will continue to fall is uncertain; I don't think
it will. But I hope it lasts long enough to cost them their shirts.
On 4/3/2026 8:32 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
I dunno about this part. I suspect these are not people I want to see >topless....
Whether RAM prices will continue to fall is uncertain; I don't think
it will. But I hope it lasts long enough to cost them their shirts.
On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 17:59:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> said this thing:
On 4/3/2026 8:32 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
I dunno about this part. I suspect these are not people I want to see
Whether RAM prices will continue to fall is uncertain; I don't think
it will. But I hope it lasts long enough to cost them their shirts.
topless....
<chuckle>
Meanwhile, AI takes another swipe at gaming.
The RTS "Stormgate" is losing multiplayer capability because the
server hosts it runs the online games on have been bought out by an AI company.* The publisher indicates the game will be patched to run in
offline mode, but you won't be able to play it online anymore. The
server provider, Hathora, has said it wants to instead use its
computers for 'compute orchestration for AI inference at scale".
On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 17:59:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> said this thing:
On 4/3/2026 8:32 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
I dunno about this part. I suspect these are not people I want to see
Whether RAM prices will continue to fall is uncertain; I don't think
it will. But I hope it lasts long enough to cost them their shirts.
topless....
<chuckle>
Meanwhile, AI takes another swipe at gaming.
The RTS "Stormgate" is losing multiplayer capability because the
server hosts it runs the online games on have been bought out by an AI company.* The publisher indicates the game will be patched to run in
offline mode, but you won't be able to play it online anymore. The
server provider, Hathora, has said it wants to instead use its
computers for 'compute orchestration for AI inference at scale".
I mean, developer Frost Giant Studios isn't entirely to blame, making
the game so entirely reliant on third-party servers, and Hathora isn't
doing anything illegal (the contract between the two companies is up
for renewal, and Hathora chose to go in a different direction). But
it's just another aspect of gaming getting fucked over by AI. I doubt
this will be the last example of this we see either, as more hosts
shift to more lucrative AI servicing.
Although maybe this will be a good thing? If game developers can't get
cheap online hosting for multiplayer, maybe they'll give the tools
back to the players? Give me my silver lining, dammit!!!!
On 4/4/2026 8:07 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 17:59:51 -0700, Dimensional TravelerAnd can "compute orchestration for AI inference at scale" even BE
<dtravel@sonic.net> said this thing:
On 4/3/2026 8:32 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
I dunno about this part. I suspect these are not people I want to see
Whether RAM prices will continue to fall is uncertain; I don't think
it will. But I hope it lasts long enough to cost them their shirts.
topless....
<chuckle>
Meanwhile, AI takes another swipe at gaming.
The RTS "Stormgate" is losing multiplayer capability because the
server hosts it runs the online games on have been bought out by an AI
company.* The publisher indicates the game will be patched to run in
offline mode, but you won't be able to play it online anymore. The
server provider, Hathora, has said it wants to instead use its
computers for 'compute orchestration for AI inference at scale".
translated into something comprehensible in English? The best I can do
it "computer music for lots of AI guessing".
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