• Re: SteamDecks are on the rise

    From Spalls Hurgenson@spallshurgenson@gmail.com to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action on Sat Apr 4 11:37:36 2026
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    On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 17:01:56 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> said this thing:



    Case in point #2:
    The Lenovo Legion Go 2 is releasing at a starting price of $1,100.*
    That's almost twice the price of the first original Lenovo Legion Go
    handheld PC.


    (I know, necroposting... but does this article really deserve an
    entirely new thread?)

    Anyway, if the original cost wasn't bad enough, Lenovo just raised the
    price of the Legion Go 2 to ~$2000 USD.* Which, given the rising costs
    of computer hardware, is an understandable change... but it basically
    kills the market for this device. They're intended as supplementary
    gaming machines, but are being priced at mid-to-high range gaming
    desktop prices.

    But this may also spell doom for the upcoming Steam Machine PC from
    Valve, because it is likely that it will suffer from the same
    pressures and costs. And I don't think Valve will get much traction if
    they try to sell their device at these prices.





    * article: https://kotaku.com/lenovo-legion-go-2-price-ram-pc-gaming-handheld-2000684733


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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@spallshurgenson@gmail.com to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action on Mon Apr 13 11:50:47 2026
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    On Sat, 04 Apr 2026 11:37:36 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> said this thing:

    On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 17:01:56 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> said this thing:



    Case in point #2:
    The Lenovo Legion Go 2 is releasing at a starting price of $1,100.*
    That's almost twice the price of the first original Lenovo Legion Go >>handheld PC.


    (I know, necroposting... but does this article really deserve an
    entirely new thread?)

    Anyway, if the original cost wasn't bad enough, Lenovo just raised the
    price of the Legion Go 2 to ~$2000 USD.* Which, given the rising costs
    of computer hardware, is an understandable change... but it basically
    kills the market for this device. They're intended as supplementary
    gaming machines, but are being priced at mid-to-high range gaming
    desktop prices.


    Wow... it's even worse than expected. The announced price for the 2TB
    Legion Go 2 will be $2,850.00 USD.* Note that the original price on
    release was $1,480, so Lenovo has almost doubled the price in a year.

    And the sad thing is that companies like Lenovo will then take the
    failure to make any sales as indication that the market for these
    devices doesn't exist, and not that they've overpriced themselves out
    of an audience.



    * report here https://www.techradar.com/computing/gaming-pcs/the-lenovo-legion-go-2-handheld-costs-more-than-two-nvidia-rtx-5080-gpus-and-thats-genuinely-absurd


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  • From Zaghadka@zaghadka@hotmail.com to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action on Mon Apr 13 18:06:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action

    On Mon, 13 Apr 2026 11:50:47 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    On Sat, 04 Apr 2026 11:37:36 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> said this thing:

    On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 17:01:56 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson >><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> said this thing:



    Case in point #2:
    The Lenovo Legion Go 2 is releasing at a starting price of $1,100.* >>>That's almost twice the price of the first original Lenovo Legion Go >>>handheld PC.


    (I know, necroposting... but does this article really deserve an
    entirely new thread?)

    Anyway, if the original cost wasn't bad enough, Lenovo just raised the >>price of the Legion Go 2 to ~$2000 USD.* Which, given the rising costs
    of computer hardware, is an understandable change... but it basically
    kills the market for this device. They're intended as supplementary
    gaming machines, but are being priced at mid-to-high range gaming
    desktop prices.


    Wow... it's even worse than expected. The announced price for the 2TB
    Legion Go 2 will be $2,850.00 USD.* Note that the original price on
    release was $1,480, so Lenovo has almost doubled the price in a year.

    And the sad thing is that companies like Lenovo will then take the
    failure to make any sales as indication that the market for these
    devices doesn't exist, and not that they've overpriced themselves out
    of an audience.



    * report here >https://www.techradar.com/computing/gaming-pcs/the-lenovo-legion-go-2-handheld-costs-more-than-two-nvidia-rtx-5080-gpus-and-thats-genuinely-absurd

    Getting the paddles out for this thread again! CLEAR!

    *(thwump)*

    We have a pulse!
    --
    Zag

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    all other liberties. ~John Milton
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  • From JAB@noway@nochance.com to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action on Tue Apr 14 11:00:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action

    On 13/04/2026 16:50, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Wow... it's even worse than expected. The announced price for the 2TB
    Legion Go 2 will be $2,850.00 USD.* Note that the original price on
    release was $1,480, so Lenovo has almost doubled the price in a year.

    Who on earth do they think is going to buy one. You can get four top of
    the range Steam Decks for that.
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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@spallshurgenson@gmail.com to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action on Tue Apr 14 11:26:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action

    On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:00:01 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> said this
    thing:

    On 13/04/2026 16:50, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Wow... it's even worse than expected. The announced price for the 2TB
    Legion Go 2 will be $2,850.00 USD.* Note that the original price on
    release was $1,480, so Lenovo has almost doubled the price in a year.

    Who on earth do they think is going to buy one. You can get four top of
    the range Steam Decks for that.

    I think they're trying to position themselves as a luxury device.

    In fairness, the specs of the Legion Go 2 are noticably better. The
    Legion Go 2 has an 8.8" screen running at 144Hz (vs SteamDeck's 7.4" @
    90Hz), an 8-core Z2 Extreme (vs 4-core Zen2), 32GB RAM to SteamDeck's
    16GB, 2TB SDD vs 1TB, 74WHr battery to 50WHr. The Legion 2 Go is
    undeniably the more powerful machine.

    But is it worth the price? And does a handheld PC need that sort of performance? (I mean, you're staring down at an 8" screen; you won't
    notice a difference between HD and UHD resolutions when the pixels are
    already so tiny). I'd say no... especially if you just want the device
    to use as a game-machine, and not as a prestige-piece.

    I've said it before and now I say it again: I am not the market for
    these sorts of machines. I have no desire for playing PC games
    on-the-go. As such, I can't see the appeal of these devices and this
    may bias me against them. But a lot of people do like them, and I
    acknowledge that there probably is a large enough audience that the
    platform could flourish.

    Nonetheless, reports show that most people who ARE getting them are
    mostly using them as supplemental devices rather than PC replacements.
    So the idea of charging more for these machines than an actual desktop
    or laptop won't fly. Lenovo is killing the market with this overpriced
    machine.

    IMHO, YMMV and the usual acronyms apply.



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  • From JAB@noway@nochance.com to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action on Wed Apr 15 20:34:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action

    On 14/04/2026 16:26, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Nonetheless, reports show that most people who ARE getting them are
    mostly using them as supplemental devices rather than PC replacements.
    So the idea of charging more for these machines than an actual desktop
    or laptop won't fly. Lenovo is killing the market with this overpriced machine.

    Like you I'm not a fan of 'real' gaming on a mobile devices. I do have
    my iPad and the are games I find suited to, in particular choose your
    own text adventures where the UI is lovely to use and you can just jump
    in for twenty or thirty minutes. I did also buy a couple of games
    (Invisible Inc. and Sunless Sea) that I liked on the PC but nah just
    doesn't work for me.

    I agree that with your overall point that I don't really see how this
    would work at this price point. If you could get something that met both
    your desktop and mobile needs at an ok price then I can see it. I have
    even toyed wit the idea of having a Steam Deck for that but as I'm not
    into mobile gaming then it's just not a good idea.

    £2,500 buys you a decent desktop PC.
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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@spallshurgenson@gmail.com to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action on Thu Apr 16 11:46:40 2026
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    On Wed, 15 Apr 2026 20:34:57 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> said this
    thing:
    On 14/04/2026 16:26, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:


    Like you I'm not a fan of 'real' gaming on a mobile devices. I do have
    my iPad and the are games I find suited to, in particular choose your
    own text adventures where the UI is lovely to use and you can just jump
    in for twenty or thirty minutes. I did also buy a couple of games
    (Invisible Inc. and Sunless Sea) that I liked on the PC but nah just
    doesn't work for me.

    Of course, whether our attitudes are typical or not is hard to
    determine. I suspect that the younger generation is more comfortable
    playing long-form games on smaller machines.

    [Probably because they have younger eyes! Damn the youth
    for their excellent vision! ;-)]

    But you are right in that sales reports do seem to indicate that --on
    average-- people who buy these devices already own desktops or
    laptops. This implies (but doesn't prove) that the handheld PCs are
    intended to be supplementary devices; something you take on the road
    so you can still play Fortnite or Civilization while out of the house,
    but then when you go back home it's back to the big-screen.

    [Obviously, it is possible that purchasers of handheld PCs
    use them as their primary gaming PCs, and -after they get
    their SteamDecks-- the desktops/laptops are either
    collecting dust or just used for 'boring' stuff. I haven't
    seen any studies indicating this either way. I'll admit my
    personal bias makes me believe that 'go back to the big
    screen' is more likely, but I'll be the first to admit
    that's conjecture]

    But at least some people are using the handhelds as supplementary
    mobile devices... and in general people don't want to pay as much for
    secondary devices. Similarly, mobile devices generally sell better
    when they aren't expensive. Why? Because mobile devices break a lot
    more often than devices sitting on a desk all day... and people don't
    want to pay thousands of dollars for something that they may lose or
    smash in six months.

    TL;DR: I think there's a definite market for handheld PCs... but not
    at the price-point Lenovo is pushing. The chase after luxury pricing
    is fine, but they need to establish the market first.


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