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broken trust chain

From Youssef.FassiFihri@Youssef.FassiFihri@inwi.ma to bind-users on Tue Jul 28 23:10:25 2020

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Hi All,

I am using Bind as resolver for end users .

At various time, bind logs show "broken trust chain" continuously , for ab= out 20mn ~ 30 mn causing an increase of "recursive clients" shown in "rndc=
status" and a decrease of "DNS sucess rate KPI" supervised from end users=
side. then the error disappear and everything is OK.

the problem appears on different server at different time.

What could be the problem?

Regards,

________________________________

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Hi All,
 

I am using Bind as resolver for end users  .
 

At various time, bind logs show "broken trust chain" con= tinuously  , for about 20mn  ~ 30 mn causing an = increase of "recursive clients" shown in "rndc status&= quot; and a decrease of  "DNS sucess rate KPI" supervised fr=
om end users side.  then
the error disappear and everything is OK.
 

the problem appears on different server at different time.<=

 

What could be the problem?
 

Regards, 
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From John W. Blue@john.blue@rrcic.com to bind-users@lists.isc.org on Tue Jul 28 23:30:54 2020

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What version of BIND are you using?

John

From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-bounces@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of You= ssef.FassiFihri@inwi.ma
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:10 PM
To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: broken trust chain

Hi All,

I am using Bind as resolver for end users .

At various time, bind logs show "broken trust chain" continuously , for ab= out 20mn ~ 30 mn causing an increase of "recursive clients" shown in "rndc=
status" and a decrease of "DNS sucess rate KPI" supervised from end users=
side. then the error disappear and everything is OK.

the problem appears on different server at different time.

What could be the problem?

Regards,

________________________________

=AB Ce message et toutes les pi=E8ces y jointes sont susceptibles de conten=
ir des informations confidentielles ou privil=E9gi=E9es, lesquelles ne doiv= ent =EAtre reproduites, diffus=E9es ou exploit=E9es sans autorisation. L'in= t=E9grit=E9 des messages =E9lectroniques n'=E9tant pas garantie, WANA CORPO= RATE d=E9cline toute responsabilit=E9 dans le cas o=F9 ce message aurait = =E9t=E9 alt=E9r=E9, d=E9form=E9 ou falsifi=E9.

Ce message est =E9tabli =E0 l'attention exclusive de ses destinataires. Si = vous avez re=E7u ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler =E0 l'exp=E9di= teur et le d=E9truire y compris les pi=E8ces jointes.

Merci. =BB

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What version of BIND are = you using?<o:p></o:p>
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From: bind-u= sers [mailto:bind-users-bounces@lists.isc.org]
On Behalf Of Youssef.FassiFihri@inwi.ma 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:10 PM 
To: bind-users@lists.isc.org 
Subject: broken trust chain<o:p></o:p>
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Hi All,<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
I am using Bind as resolver for end users  .<o:p></o:p></sp= an>
<o:p> </o:p>
At various time, bind logs show "broken trust chain" c= ontinuously  , for about 20mn  ~ 30 mn causing an incre= ase of "recursive clients" shown in "rndc status" and a=
decrease of  "DNS sucess rate
KPI" supervised from end users side.  then the error disapp= ear and everything is OK.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
the problem appears on different server at different time.<o:p><= /o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
What could be the problem?<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
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From Mark Andrews@marka@isc.org to Youssef.FassiFihri on Wed Jul 29 11:15:24 2020

From Newsgroup: comp.protocols.dns.bind

A network link that is dropping packets can trigger EDNS failures in versions of
BIND before 9.13.3. These versions have code to compensate for servers that fail to respond to EDNS queries or fail to respond to EDNS queries with DO=1
or fail to respond to queries with (particular) EDNS options set. BIND would fallback to plain DNS queries to workaround these issues, but that broke
DNSSEC when the answers where coming from a signed zone and the packet loss
is due to network issues.
5029. [func] Workarounds for servers that misbehave when queried
with EDNS have been removed, because these broken
servers and the workarounds for their noncompliance
cause unnecessary delays, increase code complexity,
and prevent deployment of new DNS features. See
https://dnsflagday.net for further details. [GL #150]

On 29 Jul 2020, at 09:10, <Youssef.FassiFihri@inwi.ma> <Youssef.FassiFihri@inwi.ma> wrote:

Hi All,

I am using Bind as resolver for end users .

At various time, bind logs show "broken trust chain" continuously , for about 20mn ~ 30 mn causing an increase of "recursive clients" shown in "rndc status" and a decrease of "DNS sucess rate KPI" supervised from end users side. then the error disappear and everything is OK.

the problem appears on different server at different time.

What could be the problem?

Regards,

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Merci. »

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From Youssef.FassiFihri@Youssef.FassiFihri@inwi.ma to marka on Wed Jul 29 10:31:19 2020

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Thank you, Andrews.

________________________________
De : Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org>
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 29 juillet 2020 02:15:24
=C0 : Youssef Fassi Fihri
Cc : bind-users@lists.isc.org
Objet : Re: broken trust chain

A network link that is dropping packets can trigger EDNS failures in versio=
ns of
BIND before 9.13.3. These versions have code to compensate for servers tha=
t
fail to respond to EDNS queries or fail to respond to EDNS queries with DO= =3D1
or fail to respond to queries with (particular) EDNS options set. BIND woul=
d
fallback to plain DNS queries to workaround these issues, but that broke
DNSSEC when the answers where coming from a signed zone and the packet loss
is due to network issues.

5029. [func] Workarounds for servers that misbehave when queried
with EDNS have been removed, because these broken
servers and the workarounds for their noncompliance
cause unnecessary delays, increase code complexity,
and prevent deployment of new DNS features. See
https://dnsflagday.net for further details. [GL #15=
0]

On 29 Jul 2020, at 09:10, <Youssef.FassiFihri@inwi.ma> <Youssef.FassiFihr=

i@inwi.ma> wrote:

Hi All,

I am using Bind as resolver for end users .

At various time, bind logs show "broken trust chain" continuously , for =

about 20mn ~ 30 mn causing an increase of "recursive clients" shown in "rn=
dc status" and a decrease of "DNS sucess rate KPI" supervised from end use=
rs side. then the error disappear and everything is OK.

the problem appears on different server at different time.

What could be the problem?

Regards,

=AB Ce message et toutes les pi=E8ces y jointes sont susceptibles de cont=

enir des informations confidentielles ou privil=E9gi=E9es, lesquelles ne do= ivent =EAtre reproduites, diffus=E9es ou exploit=E9es sans autorisation. L= =92int=E9grit=E9 des messages =E9lectroniques n=92=E9tant pas garantie, WAN=
A CORPORATE d=E9cline toute responsabilit=E9 dans le cas o=F9 ce message au= rait =E9t=E9 alt=E9r=E9, d=E9form=E9 ou falsifi=E9.

Ce message est =E9tabli =E0 l'attention exclusive de ses destinataires. S=

i vous avez re=E7u ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler =E0 l=92exp= =E9diteur et le d=E9truire y compris les pi=E8ces jointes.

Merci. =BB

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is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified.

If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and de=

lete this message and its attachments.

Thank you. =BB

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Merci. =BB

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=C0 : Youssef Fassi Fihri 
Cc : bind-users@lists.isc.org 
Objet : Re: broken trust chain
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<div class=3D"PlainText">A network link that is dropping packets can trigge=
r EDNS failures in versions of 
BIND before 9.13.3.  These versions have code to compensate for server=
s that 
fail to respond to EDNS queries or fail to respond to EDNS queries with DO= =3D1 
or fail to respond to queries with (particular) EDNS options set. BIND woul= d 
fallback to plain DNS queries to workaround these issues, but that broke<br=

DNSSEC when the answers where coming from a signed zone and the packet loss=

is due to network issues. 

5029.   [func]        &nb= sp; Workarounds for servers that misbehave when queried             &nb= sp;           with EDNS h= ave been removed, because these broken             &nb= sp;           servers and=
the workarounds for their noncompliance             &nb= sp;           cause unnec= essary delays, increase code complexity,             &nb= sp;           and prevent=
deployment of new DNS features. See             &nb= sp;           <a href=3D"= https://dnsflagday.net">https://dnsflagday.net</a> for further details. [GL=
#150] 

> On 29 Jul 2020, at 09:10, <Youssef.FassiFihri@inwi.ma> <Youss= ef.FassiFihri@inwi.ma> wrote: 
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> I am using Bind as resolver for end users  . 
> 
> At various time, bind logs show "broken trust chain" continu= ously  , for about 20mn  ~ 30 mn causing an increase of "rec= ursive clients" shown in "rndc status" and a decrease of&nbs=
p; "DNS sucess rate KPI" supervised from end users side.  th=
en the error disappear
and everything is OK. 
> 
> the problem appears on different server at different time. 
> 
> What could be the problem? 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> 
> =AB Ce message et toutes les pi=E8ces y jointes sont susceptibles de c= ontenir des informations confidentielles ou privil=E9gi=E9es, lesquelles ne=
doivent =EAtre reproduites, diffus=E9es ou exploit=E9es sans autorisation.=
L=92int=E9grit=E9 des messages =E9lectroniques n=92=E9tant pas
garantie, WANA CORPORATE d=E9cline toute responsabilit=E9 dans le cas o=F9=
ce message aurait =E9t=E9 alt=E9r=E9, d=E9form=E9 ou falsifi=E9. 
> 
> Ce message est =E9tabli =E0 l'attention exclusive de ses destinataires=
. Si vous avez re=E7u ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler =E0 l=92e= xp=E9diteur et le d=E9truire y compris les pi=E8ces jointes. 
> 
> Merci. =BB 
> 
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TE is not liable for messages that have
been modified, changed or falsified. 
> 
> If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and=
delete this message and its attachments. 
> 
> Thank you. =BB 
> 
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garantie, WANA CORPORATE d=E9cline toute responsabilit=E9 dans le cas o=F9=
ce message aurait =E9t=E9 alt=E9r=E9, d=E9form=E9 ou falsifi=E9. 

Ce message est =E9tabli =E0 l'attention exclusive de ses destinataires. Si = vous avez re=E7u ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler =E0 l=92exp=E9= diteur et le d=E9truire y compris les pi=E8ces jointes. 

Merci. =BB 

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