• RE: AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

    From John W. Blue@john.blue@rrcic.com to bind-users@lists.isc.org on Fri Jul 17 18:35:29 2020
    From Newsgroup: comp.protocols.dns.bind

    Speaking about things to be annoyed over ..
    I am still ticked that FreeBSD dropped BIND from the distribution for something called unwinding or whatever it is.
    John
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    From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-bounces@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Ted Mittelstaedt
    Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:57 PM
    To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
    Subject: Re: AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

    Your personal experience is not the gobal truth. It is your opinion but other experienced pepole see it different than you.

    Hmm I'm a bit late to this discussion but I will chime in with the others. The service always was called "named" pronounced "name Dee"
    it was called that in the Nutshell book which is easily the authoritative book on the subject, it was called this before you were born and it was kind of the height of hubris for it to ever be named
    bind9 in a software distro.
    In fact, the ONLY reason that the name "bind9" was ever even coined at all was because the changes from bind8 both in the syntax of the config file and how the program operated they wanted to boot admins in the behind to get them to change their config files. It should have been put to bed as a name a long time ago, or named "bind version 9" like every other software program does with their versions.
    So as an experienced person who has been doing this you-nuxs thing since
    1982 - I DON'T see it different - and in fact, I see it as a RETURN to what it originally was!
    Ted
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  • From Michael De Roover@isc@nixmagic.com to bind-users on Mon Jul 20 20:23:24 2020
    From Newsgroup: comp.protocols.dns.bind

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    If that is true, I hereby lost all faith in humanity.. well whatever
    faith I had left. This has been going on for like half a decade now.

    A few weeks ago I saw here on the list someone suggesting that BIND is a reference to bondage in BDSM, so perhaps it has to do with that... Lest
    we forget that BIND is an abbreviation for Berkeley Internet Name
    Domain. Software made at Berkeley, to serve domain names on the
    internet. The name is pretty descriptive about its intended purpose I
    would say. Perfectly fine! Just because an abbreviation coincidentally
    becomes the same as a word in another context doesn't mean that it
    suddenly /became/ that word. Western languages simply don't have enough characters and words to make everything unique and special. And the best
    part is.. banning certain words from general usage (for rather odd
    reasons) only exacerbates that problem.

    But with that said, if BSD thinks that BIND stands for bondage, I
    suggest that BSD drops the D because it's clearly a reference to
    criminally masculine dicks. Everything else is bullshit.

    (My apologies if bad words are disallowed here, but I had to get this
    off my chest)

    Back to the thread's original topic, I happened to be configuring BIND
    on Alpine yesterday. I was pleased to see that the package in Alpine is
    simply called "bind". The service file in /etc/init.d is called "named".
    While those decisions are entirely up to the distribution vendors, I
    also think that version numbers don't really belong in the name of a
    piece of software. However even upstream the repository is called
    "bind9"... The branch name has already changed, so perhaps the same
    could be done for the repository name?

    On 7/17/20 8:35 PM, John W. Blue wrote:
    Speaking about things to be annoyed over ..

    I am still ticked that FreeBSD dropped BIND from the distribution for something called unwinding or whatever it is.

    John
    --
    Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards,
    Michael De Roover

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    <p>If that is true, I hereby lost all faith in humanity.. well
    whatever faith I had left. This has been going on for like half a
    decade now.</p>
    <p>A few weeks ago I saw here on the list someone suggesting that
    BIND is a reference to bondage in BDSM, so perhaps it has to do
    with that... Lest we forget that BIND is an abbreviation for
    Berkeley Internet Name Domain. Software made at Berkeley, to serve
    domain names on the internet. The name is pretty descriptive about
    its intended purpose I would say. Perfectly fine! Just because an
    abbreviation coincidentally becomes the same as a word in another
    context doesn't mean that it suddenly <i>became</i> that word.
    Western languages simply don't have enough characters and words to
    make everything unique and special. And the best part is.. banning
    certain words from general usage (for rather odd reasons) only
    exacerbates that problem.</p>
    <p>But with that said, if BSD thinks that BIND stands for bondage, I
    suggest that BSD drops the D because it's clearly a reference to
    criminally masculine dicks. Everything else is bullshit.</p>
    <p>(My apologies if bad words are disallowed here, but I had to get
    this off my chest)</p>
    <p>Back to the thread's original topic, I happened to be configuring
    BIND on Alpine yesterday. I was pleased to see that the package in
    Alpine is simply called "bind". The service file in /etc/init.d is
    called "named". While those decisions are entirely up to the
    distribution vendors, I also think that version numbers don't
    really belong in the name of a piece of software. However even
    upstream the repository is called "bind9"... The branch name has
    already changed, so perhaps the same could be done for the
    repository name?<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/17/20 8:35 PM, John W. Blue wrote:<br>
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    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Speaking about things to be annoyed over ..

    I am still ticked that FreeBSD dropped BIND from the distribution for something called unwinding or whatever it is.

    John
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    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
    Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards,<br>
    Michael De Roover</div>
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  • From Michael De Roover@isc@nixmagic.com to bind-users on Mon Jul 20 21:53:48 2020
    From Newsgroup: comp.protocols.dns.bind

    Sorry about that, the email might've been a bit too emotionally loaded.
    The issues pile up.. and that's eventually the result.

    I'm not using FreeBSD anywhere anymore but found some resources online suggesting that the package name is bind916. The closest I could find to unwinded is Unbound which apparently is what replaced BIND in FreeBSD
    and OpenBSD. Is this the case?

    Generally speaking all I'd ask for is consistency. Currently that does
    not appear to be present anywhere. Everyone gives things their own (new)
    names even if they're supposed to describe the same thing. It's
    extremely confusing.

    On 7/20/20 9:05 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


    On 7/20/2020 11:23 AM, Michael De Roover wrote:
    If that is true, I hereby lost all faith in humanity.. well whatever
    faith I had left. This has been going on for like half a decade now.


    Nobody ever went broke catering to the human desire for ease.... _______________________________________________

    --
    Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards,
    Michael De Roover
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