ISC had a statement about it a time ago: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/942815837299253248
ISC had a statement about it a time ago:Â https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/942815837299253248
You can now call primary and secondary zones. But the prevalence of
terms are still master and slave. And I really hope this thing of
changing nomenclatures doesn’t go any further due to political correctness.
For the newcomers it’s not OK to break years of terms, software and documentation just because some people can’t handle terms like master
and slave. Slavery still exists today and making the word disappear will
not solve the issue.
And you’re correct about the BDSM thing. It’s a waste of time, efforts and lines of code.
Regards,
On 14 Jun 2020, at 19:38, Brett Delmage <Brett@BrettDelmage.ca
<mailto:Brett@BrettDelmage.ca>> wrote:
I just read
GitHub, Android, Python, Go: More Software Adopts Race-Neutral Terminology >>
at
https://developers.slashdot.org/story/20/06/14/1722223/github-android-python-go-more-software-adopts-race-neutral-terminology
The BIND 9.11 Administrator Reference Manual at
https://kb.isc.org/docs/aa-01493
still refers to masters and slaves.
Is this ARM the most recent version?
Are there any discussions about changing terms?
Anyway, when one is talking abut BDSM^H^H^H^H BIND, "master" and
"slave" are the established terms, I believe?
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But the prevalence of terms are still master and slave. And I reallydue to
hope this thing of changing nomenclatures doesn=E2=80=99t go any further =
political correctness.
VinĂcius FerrĂŁo via bind-users <bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote:
But the prevalence of terms are still master and slave. And I really"Political correctness" just means being considerate for other people, especially people who do not have many of the advantages we might take for granted.
hope this thing of changing nomenclatures doesn’t go any further due to
political correctness.
In any case, master/slave is bad terminology because it is actively misleading. It suggests that zone transfers to downstream servers are
under the control of the upstream servers, which is definitely not the
case. And it suggests a binary categorization of servers which is also
wrong, because zone transfers often form a multi-level cascade between servers that perform several different functions. It's better to talk
about update servers, signing servers, zone transfer servers, public or private or stealth authoritative servers. For zone transfers it's better
to talk about which servers are upstream and downstream of each other in
the distribution network.
You should find that your writing is easier to understand, both for
experts and non-experts, if you don't use the bad old terminology.
Tony.
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ISC had a statement about it a time ago: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/942815837299253248
You can now call primary and secondary zones. But the prevalence of
terms are still master and slave. And I really hope this thing of
changing nomenclatures doesn’t go any further due to political correctness.
For the newcomers it’s not OK to break years of terms, software and documentation just because some people can’t handle terms like master
and slave. Slavery still exists today and making the word disappear
will not solve the issue.
And you’re correct about the BDSM thing. It’s a waste of time, efforts and lines of code.
After I feel I have mastered DNS and BIND after slaving over the docs
and code for years (I'm not there yet, and I have not) how am I going
to communicate this to people?
How will I be able to master anything technical anymore? Should I just
stop trying?
Thesaurus.com suggests that one could call one type of DNS server the "crackerjack" server instead. I guess that's an improvement over
"cracked". "Ace" server is a suggested alternative too, and it's
nicely terse.
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/master?s=t
VinĂcius FerrĂŁo via bind-users <bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote:
But the prevalence of terms are still master and slave. And I really
hope this thing of changing nomenclatures doesn’t go any further due to political correctness.
"Political correctness" just means being considerate for other people, especially people who do not have many of the advantages we might take for granted.
Completely aside from the topic at hand, I often like to think that=20 after a few years I mastered something. System administration,=20 electronics, programming, whatever has piqued my interest for several==20
years already and got me to invest in it. It is never true. The first==20
profession I pursued was system administration and Linux in general.==20
Even today I still learn so much on the daily. Mastery? I may be=20 experienced with Linux but mastery is still far ahead... It's quite=20 interesting how deep the rabbit hole can go. What matters is how deep =we
want it to go I guess.=20
Crackerjack is an interesting name, if anything I'd just want it for=
shits and giggles :D=20
On 6/15/20 9:07 PM, Brett Delmage wrote:
After I feel I have mastered DNS and BIND after slaving over the docs=20
and code for years (I'm not there yet, and I have not) how am I going=20
to communicate this to people?
How will I be able to master anything technical anymore? Should I just=
stop trying?
------------06715A24319CDDA5BThesaurus.com suggests that one could call one type of DNS server the=20
"crackerjack" server instead. I guess that's an improvement over=20
"cracked". "Ace" server is a suggested alternative too, and it's=20
nicely terse.
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/master?s=3Dt
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:38 AM Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> wrote:
Vin?cius Ferr?o via bind-users <bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote:
But the prevalence of terms are still master and slave. And I really
hope this thing of changing nomenclatures doesn?t go any further due to
political correctness.
"Political correctness" just means being considerate for other people,
especially people who do not have many of the advantages we might take for >> granted.
Being considerate to others should not be associated with politics,
something the term "political correctness" is.
There is a term in Africa for those who use "especially people who do
not have many of the advantages we might take for granted" in their sentences; it is not a particularly positive term.
... [all sniped] ...
Re: BIND Masters and slaves This whole discussion seems so misguided.
The TLDR; version, at least for me is;
Does it really cost you that much to use language that's polite and
kind to those around you, and change that language to live up to those ideals when you can?
Sure you _have the right_ to run down the street and yell impolite/angry/mysoginistic epithets and racial insults at those
around you.
But rather than focusing on _your rights_, how about spending a few
minutes considering how you'd feel if people did equally insensitive
things to your mom, you sister, your wife, or your best friend.
When viewed from that perspective, the "outrage" at not using/changing
terms like master/slave in BIND seem, at least to my mind, kind of hyperbolic.
You can call it politically correct, but I generally like to call it
"being nice" or "polite" or "kind."
When did it suddenly become so wrong to be gentle, kind and caring?
[That's a rhetorical question, so no need to "answer" it.]
The BIND and DHCP lists have historically been incredible lists for
really polite and helpful people over the many years I've subscribed
and participated. IME, these lists have been far superior to nearly
any other lists I've been a part of. Super helpful. Really nice
people> Super respectful. Totally awesome. I'm nearly always chuffed
to see the behavior here.
I hope that continues.
*MDR> Completely aside from the topic at hand, I often like to think that
after a few years I mastered something. System administration, electronics, programming, whatever has piqued my interest for several years already and got me to invest in it. It is never true. The first profession I pursued was system administration and Linux in general. Even today I still learn so much on the daily. Mastery? I may be experienced with Linux but mastery is still far ahead... It's quite interesting how deep the rabbit hole can go. What matters is howdeep we
want it to go I guess.
Crackerjack is an interesting name, if anything I'd just want it for shits and giggles :D
On 6/15/20 9:07 PM, Brett Delmage wrote:
After I feel I have mastered DNS and BIND after slaving over the docs
and code for years (I'm not there yet, and I have not) how am I going
to communicate this to people?
How will I be able to master anything technical anymore? Should I just
stop trying?
Thesaurus.com suggests that one could call one type of DNS server the
"crackerjack" server instead. I guess that's an improvement over
"cracked". "Ace" server is a suggested alternative too, and it's
nicely terse.
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/master?s=t <https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/master?s=t>
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