• The US government just banned consumer routers made outside the US

    From Nomen Nescio@nobody@dizum.com to alt.comp.networking.routers, alt.survival, comp.os.linux.networking, sac.politics, talk.politics.guns on Wed Mar 25 10:22:06 2026
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    In December, the Federal Communications Commission banned all future
    drones made in foreign countries from being imported into the United
    States, unless or until their maker gets an exemption. Now, the FCC has
    done the exact same for consumer networking gear, citing “an unacceptable
    risk to the national security of the United States and to the safety and security of U.S. persons.”

    If you already have a Wi-Fi or wired router, you can keep on using it —
    and companies that have already gotten FCC radio authorization for a
    specific foreign-made product can continue to import that product.

    But since the vast majority — if not all — consumer routers are
    manufactured outside the United States, the vast majority of future
    consumer routers are now banned. By adding all foreign-made consumer
    routers to its Covered List, the FCC is saying it will no longer authorize their radios, which de facto bans new devices from import into the
    country.

    Now, router makers need to A) secure a “conditional approval” that lets
    them keep getting new products cleared for US entry while they work to convince the government that they’ll open up manufacturing in the US, or
    B) make the decision to skip selling future products in the US, like dronemaker DJI already did.

    Like with the foreign drone ban, the FCC has a National Security
    Determination that it says justifies these actions, one which claims that “Allowing routers produced abroad to dominate the U.S.

    https://www.theverge.com/news/899172/fcc-foreign-router-ban

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to alt.comp.networking.routers,alt.survival,comp.os.linux.networking,sac.politics,talk.politics.guns on Wed Mar 25 18:19:31 2026
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    On 2026-03-25, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

    In December, the Federal Communications Commission banned all future
    drones made in foreign countries from being imported into the United
    States, unless or until their maker gets an exemption. Now, the FCC has
    done the exact same for consumer networking gear, citing "an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States and to the safety and security of U.S. persons."

    Right. As if U.S. tech oligarchs are any more trustworthy.
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From Marc Haber@mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us to alt.comp.networking.routers,alt.survival,comp.os.linux.networking,sac.politics,talk.politics.guns on Wed Mar 25 21:23:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.networking

    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-03-25, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
    In December, the Federal Communications Commission banned all future
    drones made in foreign countries from being imported into the United
    States, unless or until their maker gets an exemption. Now, the FCC has
    done the exact same for consumer networking gear, citing "an unacceptable >> risk to the national security of the United States and to the safety and
    security of U.S. persons."

    Right. As if U.S. tech oligarchs are any more trustworthy.

    Does any US tech oligarch have a DSL, cable or LTE router that
    satisfies those new rules?

    Greetings
    Marc
    -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " |
    Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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  • From Ho Li Phuc@HLP@aol.com to alt.comp.networking.routers,alt.survival,comp.os.linux.networking,sac.politics,talk.politics.guns on Wed Mar 25 16:42:56 2026
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    On 3/25/2026 2:23 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-03-25, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
    In December, the Federal Communications Commission banned all future
    drones made in foreign countries from being imported into the United
    States, unless or until their maker gets an exemption. Now, the FCC has
    done the exact same for consumer networking gear, citing "an unacceptable >>> risk to the national security of the United States and to the safety and >>> security of U.S. persons."

    Right. As if U.S. tech oligarchs are any more trustworthy.

    Does any US tech oligarch have a DSL, cable or LTE router that
    satisfies those new rules?

    Greetings
    Marc

    They probably will source their router electronics from Israeli
    companies founded by former Mossad agents, perhaps with ties to Silicon
    Valley corporations.
    --
    "And all of a sudden, all those empty bicycle lanes built during COVID
    now make sense." Another USENET poster.
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  • From Nomen Nescio@nobody@dizum.com to alt.comp.networking.routers, alt.survival, comp.os.linux.networking,sac.politics, talk.politics.guns on Thu Mar 26 02:42:44 2026
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    On 25 Mar 2026, Ho Li Phuc <HLP@aol.com> posted some news:10q1odj$2c5jv$1@dont-email.me:

    On 3/25/2026 2:23 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-03-25, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
    In December, the Federal Communications Commission banned all
    future drones made in foreign countries from being imported into
    the United States, unless or until their maker gets an exemption.
    Now, the FCC has done the exact same for consumer networking gear,
    citing "an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United
    States and to the safety and security of U.S. persons."

    Right. As if U.S. tech oligarchs are any more trustworthy.

    Does any US tech oligarch have a DSL, cable or LTE router that
    satisfies those new rules?

    Greetings
    Marc

    They probably will source their router electronics from Israeli
    companies founded by former Mossad agents, perhaps with ties to
    Silicon Valley corporations.

    You've nver worked on an IBM XIV storage array I take it.

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  • From Ho Li Phuc@HLP@aol.com to alt.comp.networking.routers,alt.survival,comp.os.linux.networking,sac.politics,talk.politics.guns on Wed Mar 25 20:11:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.networking

    On 3/25/2026 7:42 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    On 25 Mar 2026, Ho Li Phuc <HLP@aol.com> posted some news:10q1odj$2c5jv$1@dont-email.me:

    On 3/25/2026 2:23 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-03-25, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
    In December, the Federal Communications Commission banned all
    future drones made in foreign countries from being imported into
    the United States, unless or until their maker gets an exemption.
    Now, the FCC has done the exact same for consumer networking gear,
    citing "an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United
    States and to the safety and security of U.S. persons."

    Right. As if U.S. tech oligarchs are any more trustworthy.

    Does any US tech oligarch have a DSL, cable or LTE router that
    satisfies those new rules?

    Greetings
    Marc

    They probably will source their router electronics from Israeli
    companies founded by former Mossad agents, perhaps with ties to
    Silicon Valley corporations.

    You've nver worked on an IBM XIV storage array I take it.


    Your question is a non sequitur.
    --
    "And all of a sudden, all those empty bicycle lanes built during COVID
    now make sense." Another USENET poster.
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  • From Lawfare Review@noreply@dirge.harmsk.com to alt.comp.networking.routers,alt.survival,comp.os.linux.networking,sac.politics,talk.politics.guns on Wed Mar 25 23:00:06 2026
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    In <10q1g7m$kqdk$1@news1.tnib.de> Marc Haber wrote:

    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-03-25, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
    In December, the Federal Communications Commission banned all future
    drones made in foreign countries from being imported into the United
    States, unless or until their maker gets an exemption. Now, the FCC has
    done the exact same for consumer networking gear, citing "an
    unacceptable
    risk to the national security of the United States and to the safety and >>> security of U.S. persons."

    Right. As if U.S. tech oligarchs are any more trustworthy.

    Does any US tech oligarch have a DSL, cable or LTE router that
    satisfies those new rules?

    Probably not. Nobody does yet I'd guess.

    --
    WGR614v10 retired.
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  • From Nomen Nescio@nobody@dizum.com to alt.comp.networking.routers, alt.survival, comp.os.linux.networking,sac.politics, talk.politics.guns on Thu Mar 26 06:33:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.networking

    On 25 Mar 2026, Ho Li Phuc <HLP@aol.com> posted some news:10q24jt$2fosc$1@dont-email.me:

    On 3/25/2026 7:42 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    On 25 Mar 2026, Ho Li Phuc <HLP@aol.com> posted some
    news:10q1odj$2c5jv$1@dont-email.me:

    On 3/25/2026 2:23 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-03-25, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
    In December, the Federal Communications Commission banned all
    future drones made in foreign countries from being imported into
    the United States, unless or until their maker gets an exemption.
    Now, the FCC has done the exact same for consumer networking gear, >>>>>> citing "an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United >>>>>> States and to the safety and security of U.S. persons."

    Right. As if U.S. tech oligarchs are any more trustworthy.

    Does any US tech oligarch have a DSL, cable or LTE router that
    satisfies those new rules?

    Greetings
    Marc

    They probably will source their router electronics from Israeli
    companies founded by former Mossad agents, perhaps with ties to
    Silicon Valley corporations.

    You've nver worked on an IBM XIV storage array I take it.


    Your question is a non sequitur.

    You couldn't be further wrong if you tried. It directly relates to the previous poster's response. A technologist you aren't.

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  • From David Brown@david.brown@hesbynett.no to alt.comp.networking.routers,alt.survival,comp.os.linux.networking,sac.politics,talk.politics.guns on Thu Mar 26 09:26:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.networking

    On 25/03/2026 21:23, Marc Haber wrote:
    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-03-25, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
    In December, the Federal Communications Commission banned all future
    drones made in foreign countries from being imported into the United
    States, unless or until their maker gets an exemption. Now, the FCC has
    done the exact same for consumer networking gear, citing "an unacceptable >>> risk to the national security of the United States and to the safety and >>> security of U.S. persons."

    Right. As if U.S. tech oligarchs are any more trustworthy.

    Does any US tech oligarch have a DSL, cable or LTE router that
    satisfies those new rules?

    Greetings
    Marc

    There are a number of American companies that design and sell routers
    and network equipment of various sorts that might be suitable in this
    market (Cisco, Netgear and Ubiquiti come to mind, but there are
    doubtless many more). But production of the hardware is all done
    elsewhere. As far as I have heard, Starlink is the only company with production in the USA - that fits your oligarch requirement, but they
    are not what people need for home and small office routers.

    The new rules allow models to be certified and cleared for sale in the
    USA, even if they are made in other countries. I'd imagine that will be
    a cost and an inconvenience to the big manufacturers, but they will get
    their certifications and continue to sell as before. It will be more of
    a problem for the no-brand and cheapo manufacturers. Customers will no
    longer be able to buy the cheapest devices from local shops - they will
    either have to buy more expensive "named" devices, or they will get
    their cheap ones from Ali Express.

    It all sounds like another poorly conceived attempt at encouraging manufacturing in the USA by promoting paranoia and xenophobia. If the
    rules were based on some kind of common security checks and rules (like
    "no default passwords") that applied equally to all, it would make some
    sense.

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  • From Ho Li Phuc@HLP@aol.com to alt.comp.networking.routers,alt.survival,comp.os.linux.networking,sac.politics,talk.politics.guns on Thu Mar 26 09:29:34 2026
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    On 3/25/2026 11:33 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    On 25 Mar 2026, Ho Li Phuc <HLP@aol.com> posted some news:10q24jt$2fosc$1@dont-email.me:

    On 3/25/2026 7:42 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
    On 25 Mar 2026, Ho Li Phuc <HLP@aol.com> posted some
    news:10q1odj$2c5jv$1@dont-email.me:

    On 3/25/2026 2:23 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-03-25, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
    In December, the Federal Communications Commission banned all
    future drones made in foreign countries from being imported into >>>>>>> the United States, unless or until their maker gets an exemption. >>>>>>> Now, the FCC has done the exact same for consumer networking gear, >>>>>>> citing "an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United >>>>>>> States and to the safety and security of U.S. persons."

    Right. As if U.S. tech oligarchs are any more trustworthy.

    Does any US tech oligarch have a DSL, cable or LTE router that
    satisfies those new rules?

    Greetings
    Marc

    They probably will source their router electronics from Israeli
    companies founded by former Mossad agents, perhaps with ties to
    Silicon Valley corporations.

    You've nver worked on an IBM XIV storage array I take it.


    Your question is a non sequitur.

    You couldn't be further wrong if you tried. It directly relates to the previous poster's response. A technologist you aren't.


    Oh, really? This was your "gotcha question" where you believe you laid
    a clever trap for the poster who addressed the government ban on
    consumer routers with Chinese sourced components by suggesting the
    components might be sourced from Israel. Why don't you say what you
    mean to say rather than play stupid troll games?
    --
    "And all of a sudden, all those empty bicycle lanes built during COVID
    now make sense." Another USENET poster.
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