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    From T. Ment@t.ment@protocol.invalid to comp.os.msdos.misc on Mon Jun 3 15:58:54 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    A mouse is essential for some DOS programs, like navigating the help
    text in Microsoft C 6 or 7. But the Microsoft mouse driver 8.20 takes
    17k memory.

    I found a Logitech mouse driver that loads in extended memory with the
    help of Helix software cloaking.exe.

    http://www.mdgx.com/files/CDX.ZIP

    That version of the mouse driver did not work for me in Desqview, but
    mouse version 6.50 does:

    https://www.uwe-sieber.de/util_e.html

    Uwe also has a 7.30 mouse version with 1996 cloaking.exe included, but
    that version of cloaking.exe doesn't work with QEMM and 256MB of memory.
    Both cloaking.exe report version 2.01, but fc /b shows they're not the
    same. They fixed some bugs in the 1998 version.

    The 1998 cloaking.exe and 6.50 mouse driver only take 2k of DOS memory.


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  • From Sjouke Burry@burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll to comp.os.msdos.misc on Tue Jun 4 01:26:45 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On 03.06.19 17:58, T. Ment wrote:
    A mouse is essential for some DOS programs, like navigating the help
    text in Microsoft C 6 or 7. But the Microsoft mouse driver 8.20 takes
    17k memory.

    I found a Logitech mouse driver that loads in extended memory with the
    help of Helix software cloaking.exe.

    http://www.mdgx.com/files/CDX.ZIP

    That version of the mouse driver did not work for me in Desqview, but
    mouse version 6.50 does:

    https://www.uwe-sieber.de/util_e.html

    Uwe also has a 7.30 mouse version with 1996 cloaking.exe included, but
    that version of cloaking.exe doesn't work with QEMM and 256MB of memory.
    Both cloaking.exe report version 2.01, but fc /b shows they're not the
    same. They fixed some bugs in the 1998 version.

    The 1998 cloaking.exe and 6.50 mouse driver only take 2k of DOS memory.


    I use lh c:\hardware\cutemous\ctmouse
    Download at :
    https://sourceforge.net/projects/cutemouse/


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  • From T. Ment@t.ment@protocol.invalid to comp.os.msdos.misc on Wed Jun 5 16:06:18 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 15:58:54 +0000, T. Ment wrote:

    Uwe also has a 7.30 mouse version with 1996 cloaking.exe included, but
    that version of cloaking.exe doesn't work with QEMM and 256MB of memory.

    Now I see, that's not true. It works on one computer with 256MB memory,
    but fails on another. The one where it works has integrated video which
    takes 32MB, so QEMM only gets 224MB. Looks like you need just a little
    less than 256MB for it to work with QEMM.


    Both cloaking.exe report version 2.01, but fc /b shows they're not the
    same. They fixed some bugs in the 1998 version.

    Now I'm using the 1996 version, which is matched to the 6.50 mouse, and
    it runs the same as the 1998 version. So whether the 1998 version fixed
    bugs or created new ones, who knows. I'll stay with the old version for
    a while and see how it goes.


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  • From Kerr-Mudd,John@notsaying@invalid.org to comp.os.msdos.misc on Wed Jun 5 18:09:57 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 23:26:45 GMT, Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> wrote:

    On 03.06.19 17:58, T. Ment wrote:
    A mouse is essential for some DOS programs, like navigating the help
    text in Microsoft C 6 or 7. But the Microsoft mouse driver 8.20 takes
    17k memory.

    I found a Logitech mouse driver that loads in extended memory with the
    help of Helix software cloaking.exe.

    http://www.mdgx.com/files/CDX.ZIP

    That version of the mouse driver did not work for me in Desqview, but
    mouse version 6.50 does:

    https://www.uwe-sieber.de/util_e.html

    Uwe also has a 7.30 mouse version with 1996 cloaking.exe included, but
    that version of cloaking.exe doesn't work with QEMM and 256MB of
    memory.
    Both cloaking.exe report version 2.01, but fc /b shows they're not the
    same. They fixed some bugs in the 1998 version.

    The 1998 cloaking.exe and 6.50 mouse driver only take 2k of DOS
    memory.


    I use lh c:\hardware\cutemous\ctmouse
    Download at :
    https://sourceforge.net/projects/cutemouse/


    IAWTP; use a small driver.


    --
    Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
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  • From T. Ment@t.ment@protocol.invalid to comp.os.msdos.misc on Wed Jun 5 18:23:53 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 18:09:57 -0000 (UTC), Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

    I use lh c:\hardware\cutemous\ctmouse

    IAWTP; use a small driver.

    It's buggy, is why I don't use it.


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  • From Mateusz Viste@mateusz@cant.remember to comp.os.msdos.misc on Wed Jun 5 18:50:31 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On Wed, 05 Jun 2019 18:23:53 +0000, T. Ment wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 18:09:57 -0000 (UTC), Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
    IAWTP; use a small driver.

    It's buggy, is why I don't use it.

    Fix it. Patches welcome.

    Mateusz
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  • From T. Ment@t.ment@protocol.invalid to comp.os.msdos.misc on Wed Jun 5 19:24:23 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On 05 Jun 2019 18:50:31 GMT, Mateusz Viste wrote:

    It's buggy, is why I don't use it.

    Fix it. Patches welcome.

    Why bother, when cloaking.exe and logitech mouse 6.50 only take 2k. Is cutemouse smaller than that?



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  • From Sjouke Burry@burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll to comp.os.msdos.misc on Sun Jun 9 23:39:31 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On 05.06.19 21:24, T. Ment wrote:
    On 05 Jun 2019 18:50:31 GMT, Mateusz Viste wrote:

    It's buggy, is why I don't use it.

    Fix it. Patches welcome.

    Why bother, when cloaking.exe and logitech mouse 6.50 only take 2k. Is cutemouse smaller than that?



    From the manual:
    An important CuteMouse feature is its small memory footprint: the resident
    part (TSR) occupies less than 3.5K. CuteMouse can also install itself in
    upper memory, when available, without requiring external utilities such
    as the DOS 'lh' (loadhigh) command.
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  • From T. Ment@t.ment@protocol.invalid to comp.os.msdos.misc on Mon Jun 10 01:02:44 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 23:39:31 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:

    Why bother, when cloaking.exe and logitech mouse 6.50 only take 2k. Is
    cutemouse smaller than that?

    From the manual:
    An important CuteMouse feature is its small memory footprint: the resident >part (TSR) occupies less than 3.5K.

    Worse by 1.5k. Why bother.


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  • From Sjouke Burry@burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll to comp.os.msdos.misc on Mon Jun 10 03:42:37 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On 10.06.19 3:02, T. Ment wrote:
    On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 23:39:31 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:

    Why bother, when cloaking.exe and logitech mouse 6.50 only take 2k. Is
    cutemouse smaller than that?

    From the manual:
    An important CuteMouse feature is its small memory footprint: the resident >> part (TSR) occupies less than 3.5K.

    Worse by 1.5k. Why bother.


    None of which is located in lower memory.
    Free lower memory:629.456 KByte.

    Modules using memory below 1 MB:

    Name Total = Conventional + Upper Memory
    -------- ---------------- ---------------- ----------------
    MSDOS 17.725 (17K) 17.725 (17K) 0 (0K)
    HIMEM 1.168 (1K) 1.168 (1K) 0 (0K)
    EMM386 3.120 (3K) 3.120 (3K) 0 (0K)
    COMMAND 3.696 (4K) 3.696 (4K) 0 (0K)
    ANSI 4.208 (4K) 0 (0K) 4.208 (4K)
    OAKCDROM 36.064 (35K) 0 (0K) 36.064 (35K)
    IFSHLP 3.936 (4K) 0 (0K) 3.936 (4K)
    3C90XPD 27.344 (27K) 0 (0K) 27.344 (27K)
    CTMOUSE 3.552 (3K) 0 (0K) 3.552 (3K)
    MSCDEX 32.416 (32K) 0 (0K) 32.416 (32K)
    DOSKEY 4.144 (4K) 0 (0K) 4.144 (4K)
    Free 676.400 (661K) 629.456 (615K) 6.944 (46K)

    Memory Summary:

    Type of Memory Total = Used + Free
    ---------------- ---------- ---------- ----------
    Conventional 655.360 25.904 629.456
    Upper 158.608 111.664 46.944
    Reserved 393.216 393.216 0
    Extended (XMS)65.901.680 312.432 65.589.248
    ---------------- ---------- ---------- ----------
    Total memory 67.108.864 843.216 66.265.648



    Largest executable program size 629.360 (615K)
    Largest free upper memory block 46.384 (45K)
    MS-DOS is resident in the high memory area.

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  • From T. Ment@t.ment@protocol.invalid to comp.os.msdos.misc on Mon Jun 10 02:24:28 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 03:42:37 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:

    Why bother, when cloaking.exe and logitech mouse 6.50 only take 2k. Is >>>> cutemouse smaller than that?

    From the manual:
    An important CuteMouse feature is its small memory footprint: the resident >>> part (TSR) occupies less than 3.5K.

    Worse by 1.5k. Why bother.


    None of which is located in lower memory.
    Free lower memory:629.456 KByte.

    I don't want to lose 1.5k of upper memory either. I use it all.

    The GPL is not my religion.


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  • From T. Ment@t.ment@protocol.invalid to comp.os.msdos.misc on Mon Jun 10 02:26:49 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 03:42:37 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:

    Why bother, when cloaking.exe and logitech mouse 6.50 only take 2k. Is >>>> cutemouse smaller than that?

    From the manual:
    An important CuteMouse feature is its small memory footprint: the resident >>> part (TSR) occupies less than 3.5K.

    Worse by 1.5k. Why bother.


    None of which is located in lower memory.
    Free lower memory:629.456 KByte.

    I don't want to lose 1.5k of upper memory either. I use it all.

    The GPL is not my religion.


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  • From Kerr-Mudd,John@notsaying@invalid.org to comp.os.msdos.misc on Mon Jun 10 10:10:30 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 02:26:49 GMT, T. Ment <t.ment@protocol.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 03:42:37 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:

    Why bother, when cloaking.exe and logitech mouse 6.50 only take
    2k. Is cutemouse smaller than that?

    From the manual:
    An important CuteMouse feature is its small memory footprint: the
    resident part (TSR) occupies less than 3.5K.

    Worse by 1.5k. Why bother.


    None of which is located in lower memory.
    Free lower memory:629.456 KByte.

    I don't want to lose 1.5k of upper memory either. I use it all.

    The GPL is not my religion.


    The choice is yours, we're just making suggestions. I'd imagine
    "cloaking.exe and logitech mouse" must go somewhere.


    --
    Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
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  • From T. Ment@t.ment@protocol.invalid to comp.os.msdos.misc on Mon Jun 10 18:28:24 2019
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.msdos.misc

    On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:10:30 -0000 (UTC), Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

    The choice is yours, we're just making suggestions. I'd imagine
    "cloaking.exe and logitech mouse" must go somewhere.

    Seems there's a cloaked version of MSDCEX too. And Jack's UIDE.SYS can
    replace OAKCDROM, saving about 70k of upper memory.

    The function of cloaking.exe is also provided by the Helix Netroom
    memory manager, RM386.EXE. Here's a link to 3.04, the latest version.

    http://old-dos.ru/index.php?page=files&mode=files&do=show&id=6034

    The NR.ZIP file password is

    DFdf

    I found that on Vetusware.

    Maybe my suggestions are better than your suggestions. :-)


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