https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-messages-not-pre-installed-galaxy-phones-usa/
Samsung has been shipping its Galaxy phones and tablets with its in-house Messages app for years, but the company has stopped doing that recently in some markets. The Samsung Messages app no longer comes pre-installed on the company's new smartphones, at least in the USA.
The writing has been on the wall for this move since 2022 when Samsung started shipping its phones with Google Messages as the default messaging
app in some regions. While the company shipped its phones with Samsung Messages pre-installed, it wasn't the default messaging option. This was around the same time Google started focusing on RCS.
Even though Samsung Messages supports RCS, the South Korean firm is pushing the Google Messages app to its users. Google might have made a deal with Android OEMs, including Samsung, to push Google Messages as the default messaging app on their phones and tablets for consistency and improving
RCS.
https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-messages-not-pre-installed-galaxy-phones-usa/
Samsung has been shipping its Galaxy phones and tablets with its in-house >Messages app for years, but the company has stopped doing that recently in >some markets. The Samsung Messages app no longer comes pre-installed on the >company's new smartphones, at least in the USA.
The writing has been on the wall for this move since 2022 when Samsung >started shipping its phones with Google Messages as the default messaging
app in some regions. While the company shipped its phones with Samsung >Messages pre-installed, it wasn't the default messaging option. This was >around the same time Google started focusing on RCS.
Are you talking about that, or something else -- messages over the
Internet, like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram and others?
Steve Hayes wrote:
Are you talking about that, or something else -- messages over the
Internet, like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram and others?
Yes, that's how RCS works (either in Google Messages or Samsung Messages
and soon on Apple) but without needing an additional account, it uses
your phone number as ID, has fallback to SMS if your correspondent isn't >reachable by RCS.
I'm not sure what RCS is, or what it stands for. I'll have to look
it up.
And does it mean that if your correspondent is reachable by RCS there
will be no SMS charge?
I can get it to work.
Steve Hayes wrote:
Are you talking about that, or something else -- messages over the
Internet, like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram and others?
Yes, that's how RCS works (either in Google Messages or Samsung Messages
and soon on Apple) but without needing an additional account, it uses
your phone number as ID, has fallback to SMS if your correspondent isn't reachable by RCS.
If a message is sent with, say, a photo attached/included, does it
trigger an extra cash charge from the average service provider
Bob Henson wrote:
If a message is sent with, say, a photo attached/included, does it
trigger an extra cash charge from the average service provider
With RCS?
Nothing is chargeable ever
Andy Burns wrote:
Bob Henson wrote:
If a message is sent with, say, a photo attached/included, does it
trigger an extra cash charge from the average service provider
With RCS?
Nothing is chargeable ever
If it's over your own wifi. If it's over mobile data no doubt it eats
into your data allowance, small messages will hardly be noticeable, huge attachments may be ... so depends on your contract, but no per-message charge.
Steve Hayes wrote:
Are you talking about that, or something else -- messages over the
Internet, like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram and others?
Yes, that's how RCS works (either in Google Messages or Samsung
Messages and soon on Apple) but without needing an additional account,
it uses your phone number as ID, has fallback to SMS if your
correspondent isn't reachable by RCS.
I came across this:
https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/dma-notice-non-users
I am on Signal but I haven't tried it, I am not sure I would know how.
I can get it to work.
Your network provider has to either provide their own RCS server, or (increasingly common) use the servers provided by Jibe/Google, then you should be able to enable it within your messages app.
If it's over your own wifi. If it's over mobile data no doubt it eats
into your data allowance, small messages will hardly be noticeable, huge
attachments may be ... so depends on your contract, but no per-message
charge.
I might well return to Google Messages then to save the extra app space.
I understand messages it also handles spam now so it should do fine.
Having been caught out by accidentally sent MMS charges before I was
keen to avoid repetition. Thanks for the gen.
Andy Burns wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 08:11:37 +0100 :
Your network provider has to either provide their own RCS server, or
(increasingly common) use the servers provided by Jibe/Google, then you
should be able to enable it within your messages app.
Does this mean that RCS does NOT require an Internet login/passwd?
What about MLS?
Richmond wrote:
I came across this:
https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/dma-notice-non-users
I am on Signal but I haven't tried it, I am not sure I would know
how.
I haven't heard that WhatsApp have implemented an RCS gateway yet?
I was under the impression that one of Signal or Telegram (can't
remember which) was going to withdraw from providing services within
the EU if they were forced to comply?
Steve Hayes wrote:
I'm not sure what RCS is, or what it stands for. I'll have to look
it up.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services>
And does it mean that if your correspondent is reachable by RCS there
will be no SMS charge?
Yes, is it common to be charged for SMS in South Africa, or do you get >inclusive message bundles like elsewhere?
I must look at my Samsung smart phone to see if
I can get it to work.
Your network provider has to either provide their own RCS server, or >(increasingly common) use the servers provided by Jibe/Google, then you >should be able to enable it within your messages app.
Andy Burns wrote:
Your network provider has to either provide their own RCS server, or
(increasingly common) use the servers provided by Jibe/Google, then you
should be able to enable it within your messages app.
If mine has such a server, I have no idea how to use it.
I use my Samsung dumb phone for SMSs, because it makes it easier to
send messages to groups than Android.
I have a Samsung smartphone (with a different provider), which I use
for voice calls and Internet stuff.
Steve Hayes wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Your network provider has to either provide their own RCS server, or
(increasingly common) use the servers provided by Jibe/Google, then you
should be able to enable it within your messages app.
If mine has such a server, I have no idea how to use it.
I can't speak about Samsung Messages, but for Google Messages
open the app,
be on the conversations summary screen, not a specific conversation
click on my avatar at top/right
messages settings
RCS Chats
turn on
it shows my SIM with a green "connected" status
hopefully samsung is similar, or you could try installing google messages?
On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:19:08 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
I can't speak about Samsung Messages, but for Google Messages
open the app,
On my phone, if I open the Google app, it gives me news, nothing about messages.
On my phone, if I open the Google app, it gives me news, nothing about messages.
Bob Henson wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 11:08:42 +0100 :
If it's over your own wifi. If it's over mobile data no doubt it eats
into your data allowance, small messages will hardly be noticeable, huge >>> attachments may be ... so depends on your contract, but no per-message
charge.
I might well return to Google Messages then to save the extra app space.
I understand messages it also handles spam now so it should do fine.
Having been caught out by accidentally sent MMS charges before I was
keen to avoid repetition. Thanks for the gen.
In addition, when switching apps, just so that people are aware...
In the past, on this newsgroup, I tested & listed every free SMS/MMS app.
In doing so, I had to switch from one default messaging app to another.
Most people don't seem to realize they can change the default messaging app at will, and they will NOT lose any messages by doing so.
The only thing you might lose is if you add stuff to the messaging app.
For exmaple, PulseSMS allows you to give group names & group colors.
When you switch from PulseSMS to something else as the default messaging
app, those group names and group colors may be lost since they're not kept
in the Android default messaging sqlite database.
But the SMS/MMS messages and MMS media is maintained in that sqlite db.
On my phone, if I open the Google app, it gives me news, nothing about
messages.
Not the "Google" app, but the "Google Messages" app,
full name "com.google.android.apps.messaging"
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.messaging>
I did actually gain one thing - I found that I could link my phone and
add Google Messages to my desktop and hence use my full size keyboard to send SMS messages. With my big hands and Carpal Tunnel syndrome, that
was worth the change alone.
Bob Henson wrote on Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:46:13 +0100 :
I did actually gain one thing - I found that I could link my phone and
add Google Messages to my desktop and hence use my full size keyboard to
send SMS messages. With my big hands and Carpal Tunnel syndrome, that
was worth the change alone.
For years, my phone is mirrored on my PC at almost two feet tall.
If I'm home sitting at my desk, whether the phone is on Wi-Fi or USB, I operate it completely using the PC keyboard, mouse, speakers & clipboard.
<https://i.postimg.cc/N0G1TXcZ/scrcpy01.jpg> Mirror Android on any PC
<https://i.postimg.cc/tTmdgKTB/scrcpy02.jpg> An efficient program setup
I'll have a look at those and maybe a try if it's not too techy for an
old geezer.
On ons, 2024/07/24 at 07:45:42 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:19:08 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
I can't speak about Samsung Messages, but for Google Messages
open the app,
On my phone, if I open the Google app, it gives me news, nothing about
messages.
Different app.
You have the "Google" app, with the 'G' on it, and that is the news >aggregator. Then you have the "Google Messages" app, with a blue >speech-bubble as the icon.
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