• [LINK] Mozilla Foundation lays off 30% staff, drops advocacy division

    From not@not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) to comp.misc on Sat Nov 9 09:13:49 2024
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    Mozilla Foundation lays off 30% staff, drops advocacy division
    by Zack Whittaker, November 5, 2024
    - https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/05/mozilla-foundation-lays-off-30-staff-drops-advocacy-division/

    "The Mozilla Foundation, the nonprofit arm of the Firefox browser
    maker Mozilla, has laid off 30% of its employees as the
    organization says it faces a "relentless onslaught of change."

    When reached by TechCrunch, Mozilla Foundation's communications
    chief Brandon Borrman confirmed the layoffs in an email.

    "The Mozilla Foundation is reorganizing teams to increase agility
    and impact as we accelerate our work to ensure a more open and
    equitable technical future for us all. That unfortunately means
    ending some of the work we have historically pursued and
    eliminating associated roles to bring more focus going forward,"
    read the statement shared with TechCrunch.

    According to its annual tax filings, the Mozilla Foundation
    reported having 60 employees during the 2022 tax year. The number
    of employees at the time of the layoffs was closer to 120 people,
    according to a person with knowledge. When asked by TechCrunch,
    Mozilla's spokesperson did not dispute the figure.

    This is the second layoff at Mozilla this year, the first affecting
    dozens of employees who work on the side of the organization that
    builds the popular Firefox browser.

    Mozilla is made up of several organizations, one of which is the
    Mozilla Corporation, which develops Firefox and other technologies,
    and another is its nonprofit and tax-exempt Foundation, which
    oversees Mozilla's corporate governance structure and sets the
    browser maker's policies." ...

    Seen at OSnews: https://www.osnews.com/story/141100/mozilla-foundation-lays-off-30-of-its-employees-ends-advocacy-for-open-web-privacy-and-more/

    "This means Mozilla will no longer be advocating for an open web,
    privacy, and related ideals, which fits right in with the
    organisation's steady decline into an ad-driven effort that also
    happens to be making a web browser used by, I'm sorry to say,
    effectively nobody. I just don't know how many more signs people
    need to see before realising that the future of Firefox is very
    much at stake, and that we're probably only a few years away from
    losing the only non-big tech browser out there. This should be a
    much bigger concern than it seems to be to especially the Linux and
    BSD world, who rely heavily on Firefox, without a valid alternative
    to shift to once the browser's no longer compatible with the
    various open source requirements enforced by Linux distributions
    and the BSDs." ...
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  • From Marco Moock@mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de to comp.misc on Sat Nov 9 07:49:58 2024
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    On 09.11.2024 um 09:13 Uhr Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    "The Mozilla Foundation is reorganizing teams to increase agility
    and impact as we accelerate our work to ensure a more open and
    equitable technical future for us all.

    Maybe they should drop all the agile stuff.
    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1731140029muell@cartoonies.org

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  • From Wolfgang Agnes@wagnes@jemoni.to to comp.misc on Sat Nov 9 09:50:57 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.misc

    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

    On 09.11.2024 um 09:13 Uhr Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    "The Mozilla Foundation is reorganizing teams to increase agility
    and impact as we accelerate our work to ensure a more open and
    equitable technical future for us all.

    Maybe they should drop all the agile stuff.

    Lol---you are a non-believer! What's wrong with the agile stuff?
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  • From nospam@nospam@example.net to comp.misc on Sat Nov 9 14:39:53 2024
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    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    Mozilla Foundation lays off 30% staff, drops advocacy division
    by Zack Whittaker, November 5, 2024
    - https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/05/mozilla-foundation-lays-off-30-staff-drops-advocacy-division/

    "The Mozilla Foundation, the nonprofit arm of the Firefox browser
    maker Mozilla, has laid off 30% of its employees as the
    organization says it faces a "relentless onslaught of change."

    When reached by TechCrunch, Mozilla Foundation's communications
    chief Brandon Borrman confirmed the layoffs in an email.

    "The Mozilla Foundation is reorganizing teams to increase agility
    and impact as we accelerate our work to ensure a more open and
    equitable technical future for us all. That unfortunately means
    ending some of the work we have historically pursued and
    eliminating associated roles to bring more focus going forward,"
    read the statement shared with TechCrunch.

    According to its annual tax filings, the Mozilla Foundation
    reported having 60 employees during the 2022 tax year. The number
    of employees at the time of the layoffs was closer to 120 people,
    according to a person with knowledge. When asked by TechCrunch,
    Mozilla's spokesperson did not dispute the figure.

    This is the second layoff at Mozilla this year, the first affecting
    dozens of employees who work on the side of the organization that
    builds the popular Firefox browser.

    Mozilla is made up of several organizations, one of which is the
    Mozilla Corporation, which develops Firefox and other technologies,
    and another is its nonprofit and tax-exempt Foundation, which
    oversees Mozilla's corporate governance structure and sets the
    browser maker's policies." ...

    Seen at OSnews: https://www.osnews.com/story/141100/mozilla-foundation-lays-off-30-of-its-employees-ends-advocacy-for-open-web-privacy-and-more/

    "This means Mozilla will no longer be advocating for an open web,
    privacy, and related ideals, which fits right in with the
    organisation's steady decline into an ad-driven effort that also
    happens to be making a web browser used by, I'm sorry to say,
    effectively nobody. I just don't know how many more signs people
    need to see before realising that the future of Firefox is very
    much at stake, and that we're probably only a few years away from
    losing the only non-big tech browser out there. This should be a
    much bigger concern than it seems to be to especially the Linux and
    BSD world, who rely heavily on Firefox, without a valid alternative
    to shift to once the browser's no longer compatible with the
    various open source requirements enforced by Linux distributions
    and the BSDs." ...



    I assume the various woke and leftist outreach programs will continue
    though? If not, they sure wouldn't be mozilla any longer. ;)
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  • From nospam@nospam@example.net to comp.misc on Sat Nov 9 14:40:48 2024
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    On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, Marco Moock wrote:

    On 09.11.2024 um 09:13 Uhr Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    "The Mozilla Foundation is reorganizing teams to increase agility
    and impact as we accelerate our work to ensure a more open and
    equitable technical future for us all.

    Maybe they should drop all the agile stuff.



    Shush! Though shalt not question the agile religion! If agile doesn't
    work, it's because you're not agile.
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  • From Marco Moock@mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de to comp.misc on Sat Nov 9 20:05:23 2024
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    On 09.11.2024 um 09:50 Uhr Wolfgang Agnes wrote:

    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

    On 09.11.2024 um 09:13 Uhr Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    "The Mozilla Foundation is reorganizing teams to increase agility
    and impact as we accelerate our work to ensure a more open and
    equitable technical future for us all.

    Maybe they should drop all the agile stuff.

    Lol---you are a non-believer! What's wrong with the agile stuff?

    It is mostly management BS and buzzwords, I haven't seen a real outcome
    of such ideas yet.
    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1731142257muell@cartoonies.org

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  • From Wolfgang Agnes@wagnes@jemoni.to to comp.misc on Sat Nov 9 17:18:53 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.misc

    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

    On 09.11.2024 um 09:50 Uhr Wolfgang Agnes wrote:

    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

    On 09.11.2024 um 09:13 Uhr Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    "The Mozilla Foundation is reorganizing teams to increase agility
    and impact as we accelerate our work to ensure a more open and
    equitable technical future for us all.

    Maybe they should drop all the agile stuff.

    Lol---you are a non-believer! What's wrong with the agile stuff?

    It is mostly management BS and buzzwords, I haven't seen a real outcome
    of such ideas yet.

    Same here. I view the situation as a major sign of failure. It seems
    the whole world is on the same boat, though. I don't know of any
    company that has not bought into all this nonsense---they may exist (and
    I hope they do), but surely I don't know the routine of every company
    out there. ``Software engineering'' in the universities are also going
    in the same direction. In fact, one thing I observe in the universities
    is that the academics in ``software engineering'' are actually the manager-types who are not (at the same time) programmers, which is a
    terrible sign. I hope I'm not offending anyone, but it's really how I
    think.

    If something is very difficult and people find it hard to accept that it
    is difficult, then they make these programs of management and education thinking that they can make progress little by little. It's a certain
    Religion of Progress or something like that.

    But not everything can be made right---little by little---simply because
    one wants it. To advance things, sometimes you really need to have the
    right insight. There are hard things to do in this life.

    We also live a certain overconfidence in science. There are very few scientists doing relevant work, but there's a widespread belief that
    science (and technology) will always solve everything---it's always just
    a matter of time; someone will figure it out. Ask people and you will see---almost nobody understands anything about quantum computing or
    artificial intelligence, but nearly everyone thinks that it's a matter
    of a short time and all the quantum computing will be here for the next revolution. And I need say nothing about artificial intelligence
    because everyone is well-aware about the all the hype.

    On the other hand, though, I totally understand the fears: academics are fearful of not having anything to say and managers either invent
    something whatever or they have a nervous breakdown out of fear of
    losing their jobs. And some really do. They have a deep sense of
    incapacity: it seems they never find a way to put their lives to good
    use. It's a very sorry situation.
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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to comp.misc on Sun Nov 10 16:02:55 2024
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    Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> wrote:
    Same here. I view the situation as a major sign of failure. It seems
    the whole world is on the same boat, though. I don't know of any
    company that has not bought into all this nonsense---they may exist (and
    I hope they do), but surely I don't know the routine of every company
    out there. ``Software engineering'' in the universities are also going
    in the same direction. In fact, one thing I observe in the universities
    is that the academics in ``software engineering'' are actually the manager-types who are not (at the same time) programmers, which is a
    terrible sign. I hope I'm not offending anyone, but it's really how I
    think.

    Academics (as in the people called 'Professor') are actually doing day to
    day management of X number of students/postdocs/etc, as well as writing
    grants, writing papers, teaching, admin, etc. Which doesn't leave a lot of time for programming. It's the students/postdocs/etc who are actually doing the programming, so the professor is at best at one remove. They may have
    been programmers in the recent/distant past, but eventually all that extra stuff crowds out the programming.

    We also live a certain overconfidence in science. There are very few scientists doing relevant work, but there's a widespread belief that
    science (and technology) will always solve everything---it's always just
    a matter of time; someone will figure it out. Ask people and you will see---almost nobody understands anything about quantum computing or artificial intelligence, but nearly everyone thinks that it's a matter
    of a short time and all the quantum computing will be here for the next revolution. And I need say nothing about artificial intelligence
    because everyone is well-aware about the all the hype.

    I think that's 'tech', not 'science'. 'Science' is the study of the world -
    I don't think we're overconfident about gravity, but techbros may be overconfident about quantum computing. They certainly are about AI.

    On the other hand, though, I totally understand the fears: academics are fearful of not having anything to say and managers either invent
    something whatever or they have a nervous breakdown out of fear of
    losing their jobs. And some really do. They have a deep sense of incapacity: it seems they never find a way to put their lives to good
    use. It's a very sorry situation.

    I think it's the problem a lot of organisations have that once you get
    into the higher tiers you get further away from actually doing stuff, and perhaps lose touch with how it is done.

    Theo
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to comp.misc on Sun Nov 10 20:06:44 2024
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    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 09.11.2024 um 09:50 Uhr Wolfgang Agnes wrote:

    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

    On 09.11.2024 um 09:13 Uhr Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    "The Mozilla Foundation is reorganizing teams to increase agility
    and impact as we accelerate our work to ensure a more open and
    equitable technical future for us all.

    Maybe they should drop all the agile stuff.

    Lol---you are a non-believer! What's wrong with the agile stuff?

    It is mostly management BS and buzzwords, I haven't seen a real outcome
    of such ideas yet.

    I find that in the end, planning usually turns out to be a good idea.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From Wolfgang Agnes@wagnes@example.com to comp.misc on Wed Nov 13 10:10:49 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.misc

    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:

    Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> wrote:
    Same here. I view the situation as a major sign of failure. It seems
    the whole world is on the same boat, though. I don't know of any
    company that has not bought into all this nonsense---they may exist (and
    I hope they do), but surely I don't know the routine of every company
    out there. ``Software engineering'' in the universities are also going
    in the same direction. In fact, one thing I observe in the universities
    is that the academics in ``software engineering'' are actually the
    manager-types who are not (at the same time) programmers, which is a
    terrible sign. I hope I'm not offending anyone, but it's really how I
    think.

    Academics (as in the people called 'Professor') are actually doing day to
    day management of X number of students/postdocs/etc, as well as writing grants, writing papers, teaching, admin, etc. Which doesn't leave a lot of time for programming. It's the students/postdocs/etc who are actually doing the programming, so the professor is at best at one remove. They may have been programmers in the recent/distant past, but eventually all that extra stuff crowds out the programming.

    They don't really like to do the programming. If they did, they
    wouldn't leave it all up to students.

    [T]he impact of this new approach on my own style has been
    profound, and my excitement has continued unabated for more than two
    years. I enjoy the new methodology so much that it is hard for me
    to refrain from going back to every program that I've ever written
    and recasting it in `literate' form. I find myself unable to resist
    working on programming tasks that I would ordinarily have assigned
    to student research assistants; and why? Because it seems to me
    that at last I'm able to write programs as they should be written.
    My programs are not only explained better than ever before; they
    also are better programs, because the new methodology encourages me
    to do a better job.

    --- Donald Knuth, ``Literate programming.''
    The Computer Journal 27.2, 1984: páginas 97--111.

    We also live a certain overconfidence in science. There are very few
    scientists doing relevant work, but there's a widespread belief that
    science (and technology) will always solve everything---it's always just
    a matter of time; someone will figure it out. Ask people and you will
    see---almost nobody understands anything about quantum computing or
    artificial intelligence, but nearly everyone thinks that it's a matter
    of a short time and all the quantum computing will be here for the next
    revolution. And I need say nothing about artificial intelligence
    because everyone is well-aware about the all the hype.

    I think that's 'tech', not 'science'. 'Science' is the study of the world - I don't think we're overconfident about gravity, but techbros may be overconfident about quantum computing. They certainly are about AI.

    Precisely.

    On the other hand, though, I totally understand the fears: academics are
    fearful of not having anything to say and managers either invent
    something whatever or they have a nervous breakdown out of fear of
    losing their jobs. And some really do. They have a deep sense of
    incapacity: it seems they never find a way to put their lives to good
    use. It's a very sorry situation.

    I think it's the problem a lot of organisations have that once you get
    into the higher tiers you get further away from actually doing stuff, and perhaps lose touch with how it is done.

    That's one way to look at it. What I really see is that people get
    tired. They lose health---feel tired---, blame it on the age---``we're
    getting old''---and so on. Programming is a heavy activity. If we
    don't stay healthy, we'll lose the energy necessary to tackle it.
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.misc on Wed Nov 13 22:06:14 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.misc

    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 10:10:49 -0300, Wolfgang Agnes wrote:

    [T]he impact of this new approach on my own style has been profound,
    and my excitement has continued unabated for more than two years. I
    enjoy the new methodology so much that it is hard for me to refrain
    from going back to every program that I've ever written and recasting
    it in `literate' form. I find myself unable to resist working on
    programming tasks that I would ordinarily have assigned to student
    research assistants; and why? Because it seems to me that at last I'm
    able to write programs as they should be written. My programs are not
    only explained better than ever before; they also are better programs,
    because the new methodology encourages me to do a better job.

    --- Donald Knuth, ``Literate programming.''
    The Computer Journal 27.2, 1984: páginas 97--111.

    “Literate” programming, as I understand it, is purely about presentation of the program code, interleaved with narrative documentation. It’s not interactive. The next step beyond “literate” programming would have to be something that lets you actually interact with the code, see how it
    behaves, and what the effects of certain changes might be.

    In other words, it would be like a Jupyter notebook.
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