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We have ended up in a world where UNIX and Windows have taken over, and
most people have never experienced anything else. Over the years,
though, many other system designs have come and gone, and some of those systems have had neat ideas that were nevertheless not enough to
achieve commercial success. We will take you on a tour of a variety of
those systems, talking about what makes them special.
In particular, we'll discuss IBM i, with emphasis on the Single Level
Store, TIMI, and block terminals Interlisp, the Lisp Machine with the interface of Smalltalk OpenGenera, with a unique approach to UI design
TRON, Japan's ambitious OS standard.

This is an hour-long watch, but I;m getting some coffee and snacks
ready this weekend. This seems like total OSNews bait.

https://www.osnews.com/story/135225/what-have-we-lost/
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:05:47 -0300
"Bbslocal" <bbslocal@bbs.alt119.net> wrote:

We have ended up in a world where UNIX and Windows have taken over

No, UNIX is almost dead when we talk about the spreading. The amount of
people using BSD, Solaris, HP-UX and AIX is much lower compared to the
amount of Linux machines.
Every Android device has a Linux kernel.

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On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:06:14 +0200
Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:05:47 -0300
"Bbslocal" <bbslocal@bbs.alt119.net> wrote:

We have ended up in a world where UNIX and Windows have taken over

No, UNIX is almost dead when we talk about the spreading. The amount of people using BSD, Solaris, HP-UX and AIX is much lower compared to the
amount of Linux machines.
Every Android device has a Linux kernel.

I suspect that when the article
(www.osnews.com/story/135225/what-have-we-lost/ quoting the description of www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RNbIEJvjUA) talks about Unix , it includes Linux. I haven't watched the video but that's my guess. I certainly think Linux as
Unix. What matters for me is the programming environment rather than certification and in that sense Linux counts as Unix.
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:28:49 -0000 (UTC)
Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:

I certainly think Linux as
Unix. What matters for me is the programming environment rather than certification and in that sense Linux counts as Unix.

Ok, for that is is true, but often these terms are used otherwise.
I would count Linux to UNIX-like operating systems.
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Marco
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:06:14 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:05:47 -0300 "Bbslocal" <bbslocal@bbs.alt119.net> wrote:

We have ended up in a world where UNIX and Windows have taken over

No, UNIX is almost dead when we talk about the spreading. The amount of people using BSD, Solaris, HP-UX and AIX is much lower compared to the
amount of Linux machines.
Every Android device has a Linux kernel.

That's correct. Linux is merely a jumped up wannabe UNIX.
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Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org
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Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:06:14 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:05:47 -0300 "Bbslocal" <bbslocal@bbs.alt119.net>
wrote:

We have ended up in a world where UNIX and Windows have taken over

No, UNIX is almost dead when we talk about the spreading. The amount of
people using BSD, Solaris, HP-UX and AIX is much lower compared to the
amount of Linux machines.
Every Android device has a Linux kernel.

That's correct. Linux is merely a jumped up wannabe UNIX.

Wannabe? It has both streams AND sockets!
--scott
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Am 26 Aug 2022 14:08:25 -0000
schrieb kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey):

Wannabe? It has both streams AND sockets!

True, but the GNU project means GNU is not UNIX, because it is just a compatible rewrite. The Linux kernel has been added to it, but it isn't
UNIX too, it is just (mostly) compatible with it.

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In comp.misc, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:

schrieb kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey):

Wannabe? It has both streams AND sockets!

True, but the GNU project means GNU is not UNIX, because it is just a compatible rewrite. The Linux kernel has been added to it, but it
isn't UNIX too, it is just (mostly) compatible with it.

Alpine offers a complete non-Gnu Linux. Gnu just wants to be
self-important and put their name first.

(I don't know how much Android uses Gnu, but I suspect not much.)

Elijah
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Am Fri, 26 Aug 2022 19:19:51 -0000 (UTC)
schrieb Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>:

Alpine offers a complete non-Gnu Linux. Gnu just wants to be
self-important and put their name first.

(I don't know how much Android uses Gnu, but I suspect not much.)

I don't see a problem with the GNU project. They did and still do a lot
of work - for free and everybody has certain freedoms.

I know that the name dispute is nasty, but I can understand it a little
bit why they're doing it.

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On 26 Aug 2022 11:44:26 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:06:14 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:05:47 -0300 "Bbslocal" <bbslocal@bbs.alt119.net>
wrote:

We have ended up in a world where UNIX and Windows have taken over

No, UNIX is almost dead when we talk about the spreading. The amount of
people using BSD, Solaris, HP-UX and AIX is much lower compared to the
amount of Linux machines.
Every Android device has a Linux kernel.

That's correct. Linux is merely a jumped up wannabe UNIX.

There is a reason why I like to refer them as "toynix" ...
--
"dated to the ninth"

Zecharia
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In article <teapjq$kf1$1@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote: >Am 26 Aug 2022 14:08:25 -0000

schrieb kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey):

Wannabe? It has both streams AND sockets!

True, but the GNU project means GNU is not UNIX, because it is just a >compatible rewrite. The Linux kernel has been added to it, but it isn't
UNIX too, it is just (mostly) compatible with it.

Linux has nothing to do with the GNU project except in that most Linux distributions bundle in a lot of GNU software, as rms is so fond of telling everyone.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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On 2022-08-27, Zecharia Sitchin <zsitchin@nibiru.planet> wrote:

On 26 Aug 2022 11:44:26 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:06:14 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:05:47 -0300 "Bbslocal" <bbslocal@bbs.alt119.net>
wrote:

We have ended up in a world where UNIX and Windows have taken over

No, UNIX is almost dead when we talk about the spreading. The amount of
people using BSD, Solaris, HP-UX and AIX is much lower compared to the
amount of Linux machines.
Every Android device has a Linux kernel.

That's correct. Linux is merely a jumped up wannabe UNIX.

There is a reason why I like to refer them as "toynix" ...

I've never understood that attitude. Even 15-20 years ago when I was
employed as a sysadmin at a UK university, Linux was as robust and as competent as any of the "proper" Unices that we ran, and it worked with
more hardware.

There is a reason why the worlds supercomputers are linux based, and why
most of the cloud and major web infrastructure is also predominantly
linux based. And why the ARM ecosphere is also Linux based.
Anything thats cuts across that lot is not a "toy".

I have a lot of respect for some of the BSDs - more so now with things
like systemd - but to an outsider like me, their development processes
seem a lot less open.

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On 2022-08-26, Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:06:14 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:05:47 -0300 "Bbslocal" <bbslocal@bbs.alt119.net>
wrote:

We have ended up in a world where UNIX and Windows have taken over

No, UNIX is almost dead when we talk about the spreading. The amount of
people using BSD, Solaris, HP-UX and AIX is much lower compared to the
amount of Linux machines.
Every Android device has a Linux kernel.

That's correct. Linux is merely a jumped up wannabe UNIX.

Current Unix' vision it's plan9 (better embraced into 9front).

Unix as a philosphy is dead. Mac OSX it's a weird blend between
NeXTSTep and the classic Macintosh interface, and OpenBSD
began to put pledge and unveil. Very good, but plan9/9front's
namespaces and the "your PC it's a network" concept it's far
superior.

Also, I'd consider Acme a much better Emacs than Emacs, and a
proper conception for a visual editor as a step from ed/sam
instead of vi/nvi.
But, well, 9front guys fixed some concepts in sam, such as
allowing the user to switch into the command pane
with a keybinding, much faster than moving the mouse and
clicking/chording a command.

Under my OpenBSD machine, I use both the kbd and mouse with
cwm, too. I set the keybindg with the left super key and
the rest goes for keys reachable with the left hand, while I use
the mouse to move/resize the windows.

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