• Anyone else seen this.

    From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 16:21:29 2026
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    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for
    flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 16:37:53 2026
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    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Don't think my 2865 has, have you been keeping up with recent firmware
    fixes?

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    I sat my phone on my thunderbolt dock while it was charging, and it
    complained the battery was getting too hot and stopped the charge.

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    Just checked, uptime is nearly 2 months, which roughly corresponds to
    the most recent draytek downloads on my laptop.


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  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 16:45:06 2026
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    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    I have a Draytek 2927 series - it is not new to me, but was previously
    used in a commercial environment with no issues AFAIK.

    I have noticed a situation with mine where the connection both wired and wireless) appears to drop momentarily, on occasion (couple of times a week?)

    I recently looked at the log, and saw something similar to what you
    describe - the router was in fact rebooting, and the log shows something
    like:

    sys ver dbg

    Router Model: Vigor2927ax Version: 4.5.2 English
    Profile version: 4.0.0 Status: 1 (0x9de71d0f)
    Router IP: 192.168.0.1 Netmask: 255.255.255.0
    Firmware Build Date/Time: Feb 12 2026 17:45:01
    Router Name: DrayTek
    Revision: 6562_fd593bfca2 drayos2015
    Router serial no: None

    ---------firmware exception debug info on cpu0-----------------------------

    # etc.

    There are a few Draytek support pages around this, and typically they
    want to blame the PSU. My PSU is not the original Draytek, but can
    supply substantially more current - 4.5A IIRC, so I doubt that is the
    issue.

    My router is not in one of the hotter places in the house. I have just
    felt it now, it is pretty warm though. I may try to lift it up off the
    shelf it sits one, for more airflow, to see if that makes a difference

    (I should say that I think my issue has pre-dated the recent heatwaves)

    J^n

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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 17:43:33 2026
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    In uk.d-i-y The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.

    You can get bit flips from cosmic rays. That's a reason servers have ECC memory:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error

    Not sure to what extent flash is affected, but many routers nowadays copy
    their OS into RAM before execution: 'execute in place' is still possible,
    but sometimes they store a compressed image in flash to reduce flash cost
    and decompress into RAM on boot.

    It could also be a RAM chip on the way out.

    Theo
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  • From Adrian@diy@ku.gro.lioff to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 17:51:02 2026
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    In message <1128k1p$3fgrb$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is >corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45C but that is the recommended limit for >flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40C. which >doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in
    the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    I've got a Vigor 2865 which rebooted a week or so back, there wasn't a
    power cut, so I'm assuming that the router did it itself. I thought I
    had logging turned on, but apparently not.

    The room it is in doesn't get that warm (upper 20s at the time).

    Adrian
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  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 18:52:48 2026
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    PS:
    my router rebooting seems to happen more often when I power up a laptop, ie. new WiFi connection(s) have to be made.

    This lends some credence to the idea of it being a PSU issue, at least
    in my case. But as I say, I have an overrated PSU connected. Perhaps I
    will try the original Draytek one, as an experiment...

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  • From Pancho@Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 19:28:26 2026
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    On 7/3/26 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    Dunno about any of that but my VDSL modem crashes in warm weather.
    Taking the board out of the plastic case and blowing a USB desk fan
    across it seems to sort it out.

    This year it pissed me off enough to order FTTH.
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 19:38:05 2026
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    On 03/07/2026 in message <1128k1p$3fgrb$1@dont-email.me> The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to execute
    an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is >corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for >flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which >doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the >recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.

    Not a router but my Freesat box turned the HDD off a few times in the
    heatwave due to over heating.
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  • From John Rumm@see.my.signature@nowhere.null to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 21:15:42 2026
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    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.

    Not noticed any particular pattern of reboots with the current one
    (2927), the previous 2865 might have restarted more frequently - but
    even then only 2 or 3 times a year.

    (I think if they detect a sequence of boot time fails, they will revert
    to the previous version of the firmware just in case it was a firmware
    update that caused the problem)

    The FTTP sometimes drops out for 10 mins at midnight once every few
    weeks, but I expect that is a ISP issue or something on the PON.

    I have a temperature sensor plugged into one of the USB ports on the
    router, and the graph is showing a daily cycle between 40.2 and 40.6 deg
    C at the moment. (it is in a 12U 19" comms cab - but the door is open)
    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@invalid@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 22:09:29 2026
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    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:
    In uk.d-i-y The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is
    corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for
    flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which
    doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the
    recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.

    No computer misbehavior here.

    You can get bit flips from cosmic rays. That's a reason servers have ECC memory:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error

    If the behavior is consistent across reboot that suggests a problem
    somewhere more persistent than RAM. Flash corruption would be my first
    guess.

    Not sure to what extent flash is affected, but many routers nowadays copy their OS into RAM before execution: 'execute in place' is still possible,
    but sometimes they store a compressed image in flash to reduce flash cost
    and decompress into RAM on boot.

    Page caching can make RAM corruption very persistent (albeit not across
    a reboot). A while back chiark’s /bin/cat developed a single-bit error
    in the cached copy of the code section, which was used (without
    reloading) every time it is executed.

    It could also be a RAM chip on the way out.
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 22:10:00 2026
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    On 03/07/2026 16:37, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Don't think my 2865 has, have you been keeping up with recent firmware fixes?

    Yes

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is
    corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit
    for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C.
    which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in
    the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    I sat my phone on my thunderbolt dock while it was charging, and it complained the battery was getting too hot and stopped the charge.

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    Just checked, uptime is nearly 2 months, which roughly corresponds to
    the most recent draytek downloads on my laptop.



    Normally that router is flawless. stays up till the next power cut of
    system upgrade.

    Ive reflashed the same firmware. Its the latest. We will see.
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 22:16:03 2026
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    On 03/07/2026 16:45, jkn wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is
    corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit
    for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C.
    which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in
    the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    I have a Draytek 2927 series - it is not new to me, but was previously
    used in a commercial environment with no issues AFAIK.

    I have noticed a situation with mine where the connection both wired and wireless) appears to drop momentarily, on occasion (couple of times a
    week?)

    I recently looked at the log, and saw something similar to what you
    describe - the router was in fact rebooting, and the log shows something like:

    sys ver dbg

    Router Model: Vigor2927ax    Version: 4.5.2 English
    Profile version: 4.0.0    Status: 1 (0x9de71d0f)
    Router IP: 192.168.0.1    Netmask: 255.255.255.0
    Firmware Build Date/Time: Feb 12 2026 17:45:01
    Router Name: DrayTek
    Revision: 6562_fd593bfca2 drayos2015
    Router serial no: None

    ---------firmware exception debug info on cpu0-----------------------------

    # etc.

    Yes. that is significant. Its the next bit of the log before the
    registers dump that is significant

    Mine said (in shorthand) 'The CPU tried to execute an instruction that
    does not exist'

    My tentative conclusion was that the firmware in flash was corrupted.


    There are a few Draytek support pages around this, and typically they
    want to blame the PSU. My PSU is not the original Draytek, but can
    supply substantially more current - 4.5A IIRC, so I doubt that is the
    issue.


    Mine is original and has given no trouble before

    My router is not in one of the hotter places in the house. I have just
    felt it now, it is pretty warm though. I may try to lift it up off the
    shelf it sits one, for more airflow, to see if that makes a difference

    (I should say that I think my issue has pre-dated the recent heatwaves)

    Although I am on FTTP mine is still plugged into the phone line - there
    have been storms...

        J^n

    --
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 22:17:42 2026
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    On 03/07/2026 18:52, jkn wrote:
    PS:
        my router rebooting seems to happen more often when I power up a laptop, ie. new WiFi connection(s) have to be made.

    This lends some credence to the idea of it being a PSU issue, at least
    in my case. But as I say, I have an overrated PSU connected. Perhaps I
    will try the original Draytek one, as an experiment...


    Well I reflashed my firmware. We will see. The router was not doing
    anything special at the time.
    --
    In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 22:20:30 2026
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    On 03/07/2026 17:43, Theo wrote:
    In uk.d-i-y The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is
    corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for
    flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which
    doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the
    recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.

    You can get bit flips from cosmic rays. That's a reason servers have ECC memory:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error

    Not sure to what extent flash is affected, but many routers nowadays copy their OS into RAM before execution: 'execute in place' is still possible,
    but sometimes they store a compressed image in flash to reduce flash cost
    and decompress into RAM on boot.

    Well its rebooted and then done it again a few hours later. That doesn't
    rule out dodgy RAM but it inclines towards Flash,,,

    It could also be a RAM chip on the way out.

    Very interesting possibility..

    Theo
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 22:26:22 2026
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    On 03/07/2026 17:51, Adrian wrote:
    In message <1128k1p$3fgrb$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is
    corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit
    for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C.
    which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in
    the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    I've got a Vigor 2865 which rebooted a week or so back, there wasn't a
    power cut, so I'm assuming that the router did it itself.  I thought I
    had logging turned on, but apparently not.

    You can use the systems internal crash log..

    full instructions here https://www.draytek.co.uk/support/guides/kb-troubleshoot-reboot

    The room it is in doesn't get that warm (upper 20s at the time).

    Could be Tham Thar Kosmik Rays...

    Aren't we (solar system) moving into an area of higher galactic radiation?

    Adrian

    It's comforting to know that other people have had this happen.
    --
    The difference bweteen a psychopath and a saint is that the psychpoath
    takes what he can and gives only what he must, but the saint gives
    everything he can and takes only what he needs.



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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 22:28:34 2026
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    On 03/07/2026 19:28, Pancho wrote:
    On 7/3/26 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is
    corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit
    for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C.
    which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in
    the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    Dunno about any of that but my VDSL modem crashes in warm weather.

    Mine used to crash and stay crashed after local thinderstoms

    Taking the board out of the plastic case and blowing a USB desk fan
    across it seems to sort it out.

    This year it pissed me off enough to order FTTH.
    I've had one genuine outage on mine. In a couple of years. Sometimes it
    flaps for a second or two, but compared to ADSL its magic
    --
    It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house
    for the voice of the kingdom.

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  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 22:29:24 2026
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    On 03/07/2026 22:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 16:45, jkn wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code
    is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit
    for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C.
    which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in
    the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    I have a Draytek 2927 series - it is not new to me, but was previously
    used in a commercial environment with no issues AFAIK.

    I have noticed a situation with mine where the connection both wired
    and wireless) appears to drop momentarily, on occasion (couple of
    times a week?)

    I recently looked at the log, and saw something similar to what you
    describe - the router was in fact rebooting, and the log shows
    something like:

    sys ver dbg

    Router Model: Vigor2927ax    Version: 4.5.2 English
    Profile version: 4.0.0    Status: 1 (0x9de71d0f)
    Router IP: 192.168.0.1    Netmask: 255.255.255.0
    Firmware Build Date/Time: Feb 12 2026 17:45:01
    Router Name: DrayTek
    Revision: 6562_fd593bfca2 drayos2015
    Router serial no: None

    ---------firmware exception debug info on
    cpu0-----------------------------

    # etc.

    Yes. that is significant. Its the next bit of the log before the
    registers dump that is significant

    Mine said (in shorthand) 'The CPU tried to execute an instruction that
    does not exist'


    Yes, my log has:

    ---------firmware exception debug info on cpu0-----------------------------
    EPC=60034b60, Cause=00800014, Status=1100fc03, BadAddr=00000000, RetAddr=60034a58
    exception id=5(ADES: Address Error Store)
    exception occured in TASK Level
    task_id=161, SP=0x629390b8(3188 bytes free, 5664 used bytes)
    system tick =26381273
    CURRENT_VERSION : 4.5.2_RC5
    get from address : 60017000
    Dump CPU0 registers:
    ...


    but if you look eg. here:

    https://www.draytek.co.uk/support/guides/kb-troubleshoot-reboot

    they list a log like this - this seems a 'normal' feature of reboot
    issues, without considering flash failure.



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  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 22:32:13 2026
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    On 03/07/2026 21:15, John Rumm wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is
    corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit
    for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C.
    which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in
    the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.

    Not noticed any particular pattern of reboots with the current one
    (2927), the previous 2865 might have restarted more frequently - but
    even then only 2 or 3 times a year.

    (I think if they detect a sequence of boot time fails, they will revert
    to the previous version of the firmware just in case it was a firmware update that caused the problem)

    The FTTP sometimes drops out for 10 mins at midnight once every few
    weeks, but I expect that is a ISP issue or something on the PON.

    I have a temperature sensor plugged into one of the USB ports on the
    router, and the graph is showing a daily cycle between 40.2 and 40.6 deg
    C at the moment. (it is in a 12U 19" comms cab - but the door is open)


    Hi John
    how does that temperature sensor bit work please?

    There is a 'USB Application | Temperature Sensor' menu entry on my
    Draytek, but I don't know what it needs to work...

    Thanks
    J^n

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 22:46:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 03/07/2026 22:09, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
    If the behavior is consistent across reboot that suggests a problem
    somewhere more persistent than RAM. Flash corruption would be my first
    guess.

    Yes. This is the debug output
    This error seems not uncommon found half a dozen examples of it reported

    From the console:

    Type ? for command help
    sys ver dbg

    Router Model: Vigor2762Vac Version: 3.9.9.5_BT English
    Profile version: 3.0.0 Status: 1 (0xb1d7bc56)
    Router IP: 192.168.0.254 Netmask: 255.255.255.0
    Firmware Build Date/Time: Nov 12 2025 11:09:16
    Router Name: DrayTek
    Revision: 24438_1228_23c13bbb0d V385
    Current ADSL Firmware Version: 07-07-03-0F-00-01 Annex A
    ADSL Firmware Version: 07-07-03-0F-00-01 Annex A
    VDSL2 Firmware Version: 07-07-09-05-01-07
    Router serial no: 185003615566

    ---------firmware exception debug info-----------------------------
    EPC=80b3397c, Cause=80800028, Status=1100fc03, BadAddr=0000000c, RetAddr=80b3397c
    exception id=10(RI: Reserved Instruction)
    exception occured in IdleTask Timeout
    task_id=110, SP=0x81de1980(3178 bytes free, 5704 used bytes)
    system tick =3060436
    CURRENT_VERSION : 3.9.9.5_B
    get from address : 80004000
    Dump CPU registers:
    -----------------------------------------
    $ 0: 00000000 fffffffe 846f7c00 00000d85
    $ 4: 00000d85 00000001 00000700 00000004
    $ 8: 81de1340 00000001 00000002 afbf0000
    $12: 81de1958 80ff2000 00000000 653a3230
    $16: 0000000c 000003a6 83687680 00001438
    $20: 83960200 81de1e58 824f9573 00000000
    $24: 00000010 00000030 000003a6 00000000
    $28: 815e2e40 81de1980 00000230 80b3397c
    List a possible caller functions:
    ----------------------------------
    func( 0)=80b318b0
    func( 1)=8097d660
    func( 2)=8097fde8
    List backtrace functions:
    ----------------------------------
    func( 0)=80b3397c
    func( 1)=80b318b0
    func( 2)=8097d660
    func( 3)=8097fde8

    --
    "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

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  • From Pancho@Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Fri Jul 3 23:14:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 7/3/26 22:09, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
    ed image in flash to reduce flash cost
    and decompress into RAM on boot.

    Page caching can make RAM corruption very persistent (albeit not across
    a reboot). A while back chiark’s /bin/cat developed a single-bit error
    in the cached copy of the code section, which was used (without
    reloading) every time it is executed.


    vmtouch?



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  • From John Rumm@see.my.signature@nowhere.null to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 00:30:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 03/07/2026 22:32, jkn wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 21:15, John Rumm wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code
    is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit
    for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C.
    which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in
    the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.

    Not noticed any particular pattern of reboots with the current one
    (2927), the previous 2865 might have restarted more frequently - but
    even then only 2 or 3 times a year.

    (I think if they detect a sequence of boot time fails, they will
    revert to the previous version of the firmware just in case it was a
    firmware update that caused the problem)

    The FTTP sometimes drops out for 10 mins at midnight once every few
    weeks, but I expect that is a ISP issue or something on the PON.

    I have a temperature sensor plugged into one of the USB ports on the
    router, and the graph is showing a daily cycle between 40.2 and 40.6
    deg C at the moment. (it is in a 12U 19" comms cab - but the door is
    open)


    Hi John
        how does that temperature sensor bit work please?

    Plug into USB port, and....

    There is a 'USB Application | Temperature Sensor' menu entry on my
    Draytek,

    Click on that menu entry :-)

    but I don't know what it needs to work...

    Mine was the original Draytek one, however have a look at:

    https://www.draytek.co.uk/support/guides/kb-usb-thermometer-source
    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 00:33:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    In uk.d-i-y jkn <jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk> wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 22:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 16:45, jkn wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code
    is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit
    for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. >>> which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in
    the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    I have a Draytek 2927 series - it is not new to me, but was previously
    used in a commercial environment with no issues AFAIK.

    I have noticed a situation with mine where the connection both wired
    and wireless) appears to drop momentarily, on occasion (couple of
    times a week?)

    I recently looked at the log, and saw something similar to what you
    describe - the router was in fact rebooting, and the log shows
    something like:

    sys ver dbg

    Router Model: Vigor2927ax    Version: 4.5.2 English
    Profile version: 4.0.0    Status: 1 (0x9de71d0f)
    Router IP: 192.168.0.1    Netmask: 255.255.255.0
    Firmware Build Date/Time: Feb 12 2026 17:45:01
    Router Name: DrayTek
    Revision: 6562_fd593bfca2 drayos2015
    Router serial no: None

    ---------firmware exception debug info on
    cpu0-----------------------------

    # etc.

    Yes. that is significant. Its the next bit of the log before the
    registers dump that is significant

    Mine said (in shorthand) 'The CPU tried to execute an instruction that does not exist'


    Yes, my log has:

    ---------firmware exception debug info on cpu0-----------------------------
    EPC=60034b60, Cause=00800014, Status=1100fc03, BadAddr=00000000, RetAddr=60034a58
    exception id=5(ADES: Address Error Store)
    exception occured in TASK Level
    task_id=161, SP=0x629390b8(3188 bytes free, 5664 used bytes)
    system tick =26381273
    CURRENT_VERSION : 4.5.2_RC5
    get from address : 60017000
    Dump CPU0 registers:
    ...


    but if you look eg. here:

    https://www.draytek.co.uk/support/guides/kb-troubleshoot-reboot

    they list a log like this - this seems a 'normal' feature of reboot
    issues, without considering flash failure.

    That looks like MIPS. The Cause register bits 2-6 gives you the type of exception. For yours:

    Cause[6:2] = 5 which means 'Store to illegal address'

    TNP's has:

    Cause[6:2] = 10 which means 'Reserved instruction'

    codes from:
    http://www.cs.iit.edu/~virgil/cs470/Labs/Lab7.pdf

    They are different types of exception, even if the information is presented
    in the same way.

    Theo
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  • From Rich@rich@example.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Jul 4 05:30:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is corrupted

    Do you have logs for multiple reboots? If yes, do they show the
    "illegal instruction" panic at the same address/instruction?

    Corrupted firmware should show the same panic each time the issue
    occurs (because the false change to the stored firmware would remain at
    the same firmware address).

    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the recent hear wave.

    If the logs show illegal instructions at differing addresses that
    points towards some borderline component (which may still be the flash)
    that exceeds the systems ability to compensate when the temp is this
    high. Other possibilities could be the CPU itself may, above a certian
    temp, simply become flakey. Depending upon what specific CPU the CPU
    may be the warmest, or second warmest, component in the entire system
    and with a 40C room temperature it may be operating at a point where it randomly glitches. It could also be something as mundane as a power
    supply capicator that has partly dried out, and at the higher ambient operating temperature it is allowing more ripple to pass through to the
    DC rails, resulting in occasional random corruption of data somewhere
    due to that ripple.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    It is possible that phones may use higher temp rated components.


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  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 07:45:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 04/07/2026 00:33, Theo wrote:
    In uk.d-i-y jkn <jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk> wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 22:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 16:45, jkn wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code
    is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit >>>>> for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. >>>>> which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in >>>>> the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    I have a Draytek 2927 series - it is not new to me, but was previously >>>> used in a commercial environment with no issues AFAIK.

    I have noticed a situation with mine where the connection both wired
    and wireless) appears to drop momentarily, on occasion (couple of
    times a week?)

    I recently looked at the log, and saw something similar to what you
    describe - the router was in fact rebooting, and the log shows
    something like:

    ; sys ver dbg

    Router Model: Vigor2927ax    Version: 4.5.2 English
    Profile version: 4.0.0    Status: 1 (0x9de71d0f)
    Router IP: 192.168.0.1    Netmask: 255.255.255.0
    Firmware Build Date/Time: Feb 12 2026 17:45:01
    Router Name: DrayTek
    Revision: 6562_fd593bfca2 drayos2015
    Router serial no: None

    ---------firmware exception debug info on
    cpu0-----------------------------

    # etc.

    Yes. that is significant. Its the next bit of the log before the
    registers dump that is significant

    Mine said (in shorthand) 'The CPU tried to execute an instruction that
    does not exist'


    Yes, my log has:

    ---------firmware exception debug info on cpu0----------------------------- >> EPC=60034b60, Cause=00800014, Status=1100fc03, BadAddr=00000000,
    RetAddr=60034a58
    exception id=5(ADES: Address Error Store)
    exception occured in TASK Level
    task_id=161, SP=0x629390b8(3188 bytes free, 5664 used bytes)
    system tick =26381273
    CURRENT_VERSION : 4.5.2_RC5
    get from address : 60017000
    Dump CPU0 registers:
    ...


    but if you look eg. here:

    https://www.draytek.co.uk/support/guides/kb-troubleshoot-reboot

    they list a log like this - this seems a 'normal' feature of reboot
    issues, without considering flash failure.

    That looks like MIPS. The Cause register bits 2-6 gives you the type of exception. For yours:

    Cause[6:2] = 5 which means 'Store to illegal address'

    TNP's has:

    Cause[6:2] = 10 which means 'Reserved instruction'

    codes from:
    http://www.cs.iit.edu/~virgil/cs470/Labs/Lab7.pdf

    They are different types of exception, even if the information is presented in the same way.

    Theo

    Agreed - but my point was, PSU issues could cause any or all of these...

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  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 08:55:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 04/07/2026 00:30, John Rumm wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 22:32, jkn wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 21:15, John Rumm wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code
    is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit
    for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. >>>> which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in
    the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.

    Not noticed any particular pattern of reboots with the current one
    (2927), the previous 2865 might have restarted more frequently - but
    even then only 2 or 3 times a year.

    (I think if they detect a sequence of boot time fails, they will
    revert to the previous version of the firmware just in case it was a
    firmware update that caused the problem)

    The FTTP sometimes drops out for 10 mins at midnight once every few
    weeks, but I expect that is a ISP issue or something on the PON.

    I have a temperature sensor plugged into one of the USB ports on the
    router, and the graph is showing a daily cycle between 40.2 and 40.6
    deg C at the moment. (it is in a 12U 19" comms cab - but the door is
    open)


    Hi John
         how does that temperature sensor bit work please?

    Plug into USB port, and....

    There is a 'USB Application | Temperature Sensor' menu entry on my
    Draytek,

    Click on that menu entry :-)

    but I don't know what it needs to work...

    Mine was the original Draytek one, however have a look at:

    https://www.draytek.co.uk/support/guides/kb-usb-thermometer-source

    Yeah, I found that just after asking - thanks.
    Looks like these are about a tenner each, from various sources. I guess
    I was hoping there was a mechanism to report the router's *internal* temperature though...

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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 11:23:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    Not router or flash memory but I had experience of set top boxes
    overheating and becoming unreliable usually because the feet they fit to
    the boxes only allows a few millimetres of air to circulate under the
    box. I've often fitted taller feet and/or put the boxes on a a couple of pieces of 2"x1" timber to increase the air flow beneath the box. Also I
    don't stack one box on top of another that may be generating heat nor
    operate the boxes in an enclosed cabinet.
    --
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  • From John Rumm@see.my.signature@nowhere.null to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 12:36:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 04/07/2026 08:55, jkn wrote:
    On 04/07/2026 00:30, John Rumm wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 22:32, jkn wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 21:15, John Rumm wrote:
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code >>>>> is corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit >>>>> for flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards
    40°C. which doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router
    internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory
    in the recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.

    Not noticed any particular pattern of reboots with the current one
    (2927), the previous 2865 might have restarted more frequently - but
    even then only 2 or 3 times a year.

    (I think if they detect a sequence of boot time fails, they will
    revert to the previous version of the firmware just in case it was a
    firmware update that caused the problem)

    The FTTP sometimes drops out for 10 mins at midnight once every few
    weeks, but I expect that is a ISP issue or something on the PON.

    I have a temperature sensor plugged into one of the USB ports on the
    router, and the graph is showing a daily cycle between 40.2 and 40.6
    deg C at the moment. (it is in a 12U 19" comms cab - but the door is
    open)


    Hi John
         how does that temperature sensor bit work please?

    Plug into USB port, and....

    There is a 'USB Application | Temperature Sensor' menu entry on my
    Draytek,

    Click on that menu entry :-)

    but I don't know what it needs to work...

    Mine was the original Draytek one, however have a look at:

    https://www.draytek.co.uk/support/guides/kb-usb-thermometer-source

    Yeah, I found that just after asking - thanks.
    Looks like these are about a tenner each, from various sources. I guess
    I was hoping there was a mechanism to report the router's *internal* temperature though...


    To an extent, that is what you will get if you plug it directly into the router's USB socket without an extension lead - the USB socket will be
    at or near the mobo temperature. If you do use an extension lead, then
    you could sit the sensing bit on top of the router case above the vents.
    Or, you could go with a sensor that has a remote probe like:

    https://thepihut.com/products/temper2-usb-dual-temperature-sensor

    and place the probe inside the case.

    For what it is worth, I have used lots of Draytek routers for the last
    20 years or so, and overheating has not been an issue generally. I don't
    even think I have had a router[1] fail - although have had a couple of
    PSUs die.

    [1] I have had some of the external ADSL to ethernet modems like the
    V120 die or at least become unreliable and disconnect at random.
    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 12:39:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 04/07/2026 07:45, jkn wrote:
    Agreed - but my point was, PSU issues could cause any or all of these...

    PSU is original and I have no particular reason to think its degraded

    However, point taken.
    --
    “Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

    – Ludwig von Mises

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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 21:52:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 7/3/2026 11:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.


    I wish it's not a Y2K problem that's not
    yet fixed. Did you update to the latest
    firmware?
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 17:06:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2026-07-04, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    Not router or flash memory but I had experience of set top boxes
    overheating and becoming unreliable usually because the feet they fit to
    the boxes only allows a few millimetres of air to circulate under the
    box. I've often fitted taller feet and/or put the boxes on a a couple of pieces of 2"x1" timber to increase the air flow beneath the box. Also I don't stack one box on top of another that may be generating heat nor operate the boxes in an enclosed cabinet.

    I stood ours on its side; that seemed to help.
    --
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 19:08:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 04/07/2026 18:06, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2026-07-04, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    Not router or flash memory but I had experience of set top boxes
    overheating and becoming unreliable usually because the feet they fit to
    the boxes only allows a few millimetres of air to circulate under the
    box. I've often fitted taller feet and/or put the boxes on a a couple of
    pieces of 2"x1" timber to increase the air flow beneath the box. Also I
    don't stack one box on top of another that may be generating heat nor
    operate the boxes in an enclosed cabinet.

    I stood ours on its side; that seemed to help.

    It is a very effective first step

    You effectively double the area to convect heat away from the unit
    --
    I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you
    can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if
    you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed
    whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

    Sir Roger Scruton

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  • From tony sayer@tony@bancom.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 22:05:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    In article <nas58eFlreU1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
    <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is
    corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45C but that is the recommended limit for
    flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40C. which
    doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the
    recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    Not router or flash memory but I had experience of set top boxes
    overheating and becoming unreliable usually because the feet they fit to
    the boxes only allows a few millimetres of air to circulate under the
    box. I've often fitted taller feet and/or put the boxes on a a couple of >pieces of 2"x1" timber to increase the air flow beneath the box. Also I >don't stack one box on top of another that may be generating heat nor >operate the boxes in an enclosed cabinet.


    And.. change the mostly useless power supply Capacitors!..
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.


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  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sat Jul 4 23:19:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 04/07/2026 22:05, tony sayer wrote:
    In article <nas58eFlreU1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
    <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is
    corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for >>> flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which
    doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production. >>> My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the >>> recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    Not router or flash memory but I had experience of set top boxes
    overheating and becoming unreliable usually because the feet they fit to
    the boxes only allows a few millimetres of air to circulate under the
    box. I've often fitted taller feet and/or put the boxes on a a couple of
    pieces of 2"x1" timber to increase the air flow beneath the box. Also I
    don't stack one box on top of another that may be generating heat nor
    operate the boxes in an enclosed cabinet.


    And.. change the mostly useless power supply Capacitors!..

    Is this actually true, specifically referring to Draytek routers? Or
    just to Set Top Boxen (in which case I probably agree)

    I have previously looked for reports of such problems with Draytek kit,
    and found none. I also took a look inside my previous Draytek router
    (when I was getting ADSL issues, see uk.d-i-y thread passim) and all the
    caps looked good (visual only check, I agree)



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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Jul 4 23:34:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 7/4/26 09:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 7/3/2026 11:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.


    I wish it's not a Y2K problem that's not
    yet fixed. Did you update to the latest
    firmware?

    Um, we're pretty much past Y2K .....

    Funny movie by that name though :-)

    Anyway, Linux started pretty small and compact
    and writ mostly by a relative few connected
    people.

    It's NOT like that anymore.

    And, alas, the logs often DON'T pin down The
    Problem much anymore - at least not in any
    comprehensible fashion. It's become kinda like
    the old Amiga "Guru Meditation" messages ...

    Which is why I trashed my A-1000. Paid a lot
    for it too, high hopes .....

    Yea, later versions WERE better, but I'd blown
    my wad already. X86 Forever thereafter.

    So ... sorry ... if your distro has gone rotten
    then you need to install a new one and hope for
    the best. Still better than Winders World though.

    If you can, write a "My Important Shit" script,
    BASH or Python, that will export YOUR custom
    stuff to a zip archive or whatever. New distro,
    then unzip all the shit to its original paths.


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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Jul 5 02:36:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 7/4/26 13:06, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2026-07-04, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    Not router or flash memory but I had experience of set top boxes
    overheating and becoming unreliable usually because the feet they fit to
    the boxes only allows a few millimetres of air to circulate under the
    box. I've often fitted taller feet and/or put the boxes on a a couple of
    pieces of 2"x1" timber to increase the air flow beneath the box. Also I
    don't stack one box on top of another that may be generating heat nor
    operate the boxes in an enclosed cabinet.

    I stood ours on its side; that seemed to help.

    Might, or might not.

    Admittedly the chips these days CAN run hotter
    than in the past.

    Disks/SD/etc may not appreciate that much however.
    Storage/utility life really starts to drop above
    50c.

    Anyway, there ARE tiny FANS. Some can plug into
    a USB port. Big improvement. GLUE 'em on to yer
    box if necessary.

    (note 'Alien Tape' - the gecko tech - is very
    good for sticking things and has no glue to
    melt)

    Anyway, not THAT hard to fab a 'cooling box'
    out of Amazon packaging. Cut slots to fit
    your whatever and add a little fan to suck
    or blow. Have a couple of BMax mini-boxes
    and some single-disk USB units sitting in
    one. The 2" fan runs on a 5V 2 amp wall wart
    and there's enough juice to add a second fan.
    Partially opened the drive cases. Makes
    everything run MUCH cooler for a $10 investment
    and about 30 minutes of cutting/bending cardboard
    and packing foam.

    There used to be "Icy Dock" boxes for external
    USB drives. May still be, but I think the prices
    got WAY too. The multi-disk units even had
    hardware RAID if you wanted that.


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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 5 09:18:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 04/07/2026 22:05, tony sayer wrote:
    In article <nas58eFlreU1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
    <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is
    corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for >>> flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which
    doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat production. >>> My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in the >>> recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    Not router or flash memory but I had experience of set top boxes
    overheating and becoming unreliable usually because the feet they fit to
    the boxes only allows a few millimetres of air to circulate under the
    box. I've often fitted taller feet and/or put the boxes on a a couple of
    pieces of 2"x1" timber to increase the air flow beneath the box. Also I
    don't stack one box on top of another that may be generating heat nor
    operate the boxes in an enclosed cabinet.


    And.. change the mostly useless power supply Capacitors!..

    in the past 20(ish) years I've changed dodgy electrolytic capacitors in
    two set top boxes, one Samsung TV and a Netgear router.
    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 5 10:28:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 04/07/2026 23:19, jkn wrote:
    And.. change the mostly useless power supply Capacitors!..

    Is this actually true, specifically referring to Draytek routers? Or
    just to Set Top Boxen (in which case I probably agree)

    No. And in fact mostly today capacitors are not as prone to failure as
    they once were.

    There was a period where bad chemistry was taking out millions of them.
    They have all gone


    I have previously looked for reports of such problems with Draytek kit,
    and found none. I also took a look inside my previous Draytek router
    (when I was getting ADSL issues, see uk.d-i-y thread passim) and all the caps looked good (visual only check, I agree)

    The Draytek self-reboot is well documented. PSU degradation or firmware
    bit rot seems the most common cause

    I have re-flashed the firmware and it has stayed up since.
    --
    All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
    all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
    fully understood.


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  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 5 10:38:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 05/07/2026 10:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 04/07/2026 23:19, jkn wrote:
    And.. change the mostly useless power supply Capacitors!..

    Is this actually true, specifically referring to Draytek routers? Or
    just to Set Top Boxen (in which case I probably agree)

    No. And in fact mostly today capacitors are not as prone to failure as
    they once were.

    There was a period where bad chemistry was taking out millions of them.
    They have all gone


    I have previously looked for reports of such problems with Draytek
    kit, and found none. I also took a look inside my previous Draytek
    router (when I was getting ADSL issues, see uk.d-i-y thread passim)
    and all the caps looked good (visual only check, I agree)

    The Draytek self-reboot is well documented. PSU degradation or firmware
    bit rot seems the most common cause

    Can you refer me to this documentation please?
    Thanks, J^n


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  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 5 10:40:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 05/07/2026 09:18, alan_m wrote:
    On 04/07/2026 22:05, tony sayer wrote:
    In article <nas58eFlreU1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
    <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is >>>> corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit for >>>> flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which >>>> doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory in
    the
    recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    Not router or flash memory but I had experience of set top boxes
    overheating and becoming unreliable usually because the feet they fit to >>> the boxes only allows a few millimetres of air to circulate under the
    box. I've often fitted taller feet and/or put the boxes on a a couple of >>> pieces of 2"x1" timber to increase the air flow beneath the box. Also I
    don't stack one box on top of another that may be generating heat nor
    operate the boxes in an enclosed cabinet.


    And.. change the mostly useless power supply Capacitors!..

    in the past 20(ish) years I've changed dodgy electrolytic capacitors in
    two set top boxes, one Samsung TV and a Netgear router.



    I've done plenty as well - two Topfield PVRs, at least one PC
    Motherboard, and quite a few Power Supply Adapters for starters. But I
    do not think the Draytek has a problem here.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Jul 5 10:50:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 05/07/2026 04:34, c186282 wrote:
    On 7/4/26 09:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 7/3/2026 11:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.


    I wish it's not a Y2K problem that's not
    yet fixed. Did you update to the latest
    firmware?

    Yes, village Idiot, I did that months ago.

    skip rant
    --
    How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

    Adolf Hitler


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 5 10:53:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 05/07/2026 10:38, jkn wrote:
    Draytek self-reboot is well documented
    https://www.draytek.com/support/knowledge-base/5763
    --
    How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

    Adolf Hitler


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 5 10:54:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 05/07/2026 10:40, jkn wrote:
    n the past 20(ish) years I've changed dodgy electrolytic capacitors in
    two set top boxes, one Samsung TV and a Netgear router.



    I've done plenty as well - two Topfield PVRs, at least one PC
    Motherboard, and quite a few Power Supply Adapters for starters. But I
    do not think the Draytek has a problem here.

    Draytek cost 3 tjmes as much as a cheap Netgear or D-link: They can
    afford to use good components
    --
    How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

    Adolf Hitler


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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 5 12:05:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 05/07/2026 10:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 04/07/2026 23:19, jkn wrote:
    And.. change the mostly useless power supply Capacitors!..

    Is this actually true, specifically referring to Draytek routers? Or
    just to Set Top Boxen (in which case I probably agree)

    No. And in fact mostly today capacitors are not as prone to failure as
    they once were.

    There was a period where bad chemistry was taking out millions of them.
    They have all gone

    Yes, especially equipment that came out of S Korea. Often the ones I've
    had to replace have brand names that maybe pretend that they are from a
    well known company such as SamYoung (Not Samsung!). I've generally found
    that the failed capacitors tend to be physically smaller (often the same diameter but shorter) than replacements for reputable capacitor
    manufactures.

    There is still the 10C rule for electrolytic capacitors where in general
    the life span doubles with every 10C drop in temperature, and shortens
    by x2 for every 10C increase in temperature.

    A reputable capacitor manufacture may quote 10,000 hours at 85C which is approx 1.3 years if your equipment is operated continuously at 85C. In
    reality well designed equipment would be running at, say, a maximum of
    60C so life expectancy is 5+ years when operated continuously.

    More reputable equipment manufactures would use capacitors rated and
    10,000 hours at 105C or 10,000 hours @ 125C. Obviously the latter cost
    more and unlikely to be fitted in cheap electronics. However, for repair
    the difference in price for sourcing a one off of the better specified capacitor is minimal vs the cost of 85c capacitor. The recommendation
    is to always go for the capacitor rated at 105C, and with a low Z, low equivalent series resistance (ESR) if fitting to a power supply.
    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 5 12:32:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 05/07/2026 10:40, jkn wrote:
    On 05/07/2026 09:18, alan_m wrote:
    On 04/07/2026 22:05, tony sayer wrote:
    In article <nas58eFlreU1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
    <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting.

    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware code is >>>>> corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended limit >>>>> for
    flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. which >>>>> doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory
    in the
    recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    Not router or flash memory but I had experience of set top boxes
    overheating and becoming unreliable usually because the feet they
    fit to
    the boxes only allows a few millimetres of air to circulate under the
    box. I've often fitted taller feet and/or put the boxes on a a
    couple of
    pieces of 2"x1" timber to increase the air flow beneath the box. Also I >>>> don't stack one box on top of another that may be generating heat nor
    operate the boxes in an enclosed cabinet.


    And.. change the mostly useless power supply Capacitors!..

    in the past 20(ish) years I've changed dodgy electrolytic capacitors
    in two set top boxes, one Samsung TV and a Netgear router.



    I've done plenty as well - two Topfield PVRs, at least one PC
    Motherboard, and quite a few Power Supply Adapters for starters. But I
    do not think the Draytek has a problem here.


    I had my Topfield apart twice for capacitors. Initially is was thought
    that only a couple of values had problems but then a couple more years
    down line it was found that other capacitors in the power supply failed.

    The failure was progressive and caused some power supply output voltages
    to rise significantly and if left too long took a out a tuner
    transistor. Luckily all of this was fully documented by users and the instructions for repair could be found on line.
    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 5 13:57:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 05/07/2026 12:05, alan_m wrote:
    for repair the difference in price for sourcing a one off of the better specified capacitor is minimal vs the cost of 85c capacitor.  The recommendation is to always go for the capacitor rated at 105C, and with
    a low Z, low equivalent series resistance (ESR) if fitting to a power supply.

    Amen to that.
    No one puts the dreaded RIFA mains cap back, either...
    --
    Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
    But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

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  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 5 17:24:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 05/07/2026 12:32, alan_m wrote:
    On 05/07/2026 10:40, jkn wrote:
    On 05/07/2026 09:18, alan_m wrote:
    On 04/07/2026 22:05, tony sayer wrote:
    In article <nas58eFlreU1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
    <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
    On 03/07/2026 16:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    Recently my router (Draytek 2726) has been spontaneously rebooting. >>>>>>
    Examination of the logs show a kernel panic caused by 'attempt to
    execute an illegal instruction'.

    My assumption, possibly erroneous, is that the actual firmware
    code is
    corrupted
    The router is rated only to +45°C but that is the recommended
    limit for
    flash memory, and the room temperature has been up towards 40°C. >>>>>> which
    doesn't leave a great deal of margin for router internal heat
    production.
    My query is whether anyone else has seen issues with flash memory >>>>>> in the
    recent hear wave.

    Surely phones get hotter than this?

    Genuinely interested in other's experiences.


    Not router or flash memory but I had experience of set top boxes
    overheating and becoming unreliable usually because the feet they
    fit to
    the boxes only allows a few millimetres of air to circulate under the >>>>> box. I've often fitted taller feet and/or put the boxes on a a
    couple of
    pieces of 2"x1" timber to increase the air flow beneath the box.
    Also I
    don't stack one box on top of another that may be generating heat nor >>>>> operate the boxes in an enclosed cabinet.


    And.. change the mostly useless power supply Capacitors!..

    in the past 20(ish) years I've changed dodgy electrolytic capacitors
    in two set top boxes, one Samsung TV and a Netgear router.



    I've done plenty as well - two Topfield PVRs, at least one PC
    Motherboard, and quite a few Power Supply Adapters for starters. But I
    do not think the Draytek has a problem here.


    I had my Topfield apart twice for capacitors. Initially is was thought
    that only a couple of values had problems but then a couple more years
    down line it was found that other capacitors in the power supply failed.

    The failure was progressive and caused some power supply output voltages
    to rise significantly and if left too long took a out a tuner
    transistor. Luckily all of this was fully documented by users and the instructions for repair could be found on line.

    Indeed - there is a guy (still) selling complete Topfield PSU reburb kits... --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to comp.os.linux.misc,uk.d-i-y on Sun Jul 5 19:24:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 05/07/2026 10:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 05/07/2026 10:38, jkn wrote:
    Draytek self-reboot is well documented
    https://www.draytek.com/support/knowledge-base/5763

    On 05/07/2026 10:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    "
    The Draytek self-reboot is well documented. PSU degradation or firmware
    bit rot seems the most common cause
    "


    Firmware bit rot not mentioned in that link, which is hardly 'well documented'. It's just 'how to get more information if your router seems
    to reboot.

    Strange to delete the second part of your quoted text...

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