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https://www.techspot.com/news/112907-ibm-unveils-sub-1-nanometer-chip-architecture-stacks.html

IBM unveils sub-1-nanometer chip architecture that stacks 100
billion transistors onto a fingernail-sized processor

. . .

Pretty impressive ... and stacking two (three?) layers
really packs a lot in.

NOT sure how they deal with the HEAT in the stacked
design.

100 billion ... how many in the i4004 ?

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On 2026-06-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

https://www.techspot.com/news/112907-ibm-unveils-sub-1-nanometer-chip-architecture-stacks.html

IBM unveils sub-1-nanometer chip architecture that stacks 100
billion transistors onto a fingernail-sized processor

. . .

Pretty impressive ... and stacking two (three?) layers
really packs a lot in.

NOT sure how they deal with the HEAT in the stacked
design.

100 billion ... how many in the i4004 ?

Dunno - but I do remember that manufacturers hit a wall for
a while when trying to get below 1 micrometer. It took some
time before memory chips larger than 64K became available.
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On 6/29/2026 2:09 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-06-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

IBM unveils sub-1-nanometer chip architecture that stacks 100
billion transistors onto a fingernail-sized processor

. . .

Pretty impressive ... and stacking two (three?) layers
really packs a lot in.

NOT sure how they deal with the HEAT in the stacked
design.

100 billion ... how many in the i4004 ?

Dunno - but I do remember that manufacturers hit a wall for
a while when trying to get below 1 micrometer. It took some
time before memory chips larger than 64K became available.

Wall? Or Seal? :)
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On 6/28/26 14:09, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-06-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

https://www.techspot.com/news/112907-ibm-unveils-sub-1-nanometer-chip-architecture-stacks.html

IBM unveils sub-1-nanometer chip architecture that stacks 100
billion transistors onto a fingernail-sized processor

. . .

Pretty impressive ... and stacking two (three?) layers
really packs a lot in.

NOT sure how they deal with the HEAT in the stacked
design.

100 billion ... how many in the i4004 ?

Dunno - but I do remember that manufacturers hit a wall for
a while when trying to get below 1 micrometer. It took some
time before memory chips larger than 64K became available.

Found it in WikiPedia ... 2300 transistors !

And yea, I remember how long it took them to
significantly shrink things.

"Stacked" chips have long been of interest to
save real estate and signal path, but again not
revealed how IBM has managed to cope with the
heat dissipation issues.

The sub-nanometer bit ... that IS a significant step.

BUT, the smaller you make things, the more likely
natural radiation and even quantum effects will
sneakily change bits.

We've pushed Moore further than I thought he could
be, but ...

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On 6/29/26 01:11, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/29/2026 2:09 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-06-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

IBM unveils sub-1-nanometer chip architecture that stacks 100
billion transistors onto a fingernail-sized processor

. . .

    Pretty impressive ... and stacking two (three?) layers
    really packs a lot in.

    NOT sure how they deal with the HEAT in the stacked
    design.

    100 billion ... how many in the i4004 ?

Dunno - but I do remember that manufacturers hit a wall for
a while when trying to get below 1 micrometer.  It took some
time before memory chips larger than 64K became available.

Wall? Or Seal? :)

Amazed they were able to get this small - but do
expect a wall/seal is pretty much here. We're
talking kinda atomic dimensions now - nowhere else
to go using any conventional approaches. Anything
much further won't be 'electronics' as we know it,
some kind of weird quantum stuff.

STABLE deca-state logic maybe ?

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On 6/29/2026 1:39 PM, c186282 wrote:

Amazed they were able to get this small - but do
expect a wall/seal is pretty much here. We're
talking kinda atomic dimensions now - nowhere else
to go using any conventional approaches. Anything
much further won't be 'electronics' as we know it,
some kind of weird quantum stuff.

STABLE deca-state logic maybe ?

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)
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On 29/06/2026 12:20, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/29/2026 1:39 PM, c186282 wrote:

    Amazed they were able to get this small - but do
    expect a wall/seal is pretty much here. We're
    talking kinda atomic dimensions now - nowhere else
    to go using any conventional approaches. Anything
    much further won't be 'electronics' as we know it,
    some kind of weird quantum stuff.

    STABLE deca-state logic maybe ?

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

No. The wall is the quantum level issues. Below a certain size the
probability that what constitutes a logic one is so few electrons that sometimes it looks like a zero, becomes significant.
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On 6/29/26 07:20, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/29/2026 1:39 PM, c186282 wrote:

    Amazed they were able to get this small - but do
    expect a wall/seal is pretty much here. We're
    talking kinda atomic dimensions now - nowhere else
    to go using any conventional approaches. Anything
    much further won't be 'electronics' as we know it,
    some kind of weird quantum stuff.

    STABLE deca-state logic maybe ?

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
normal electronics, that's IT.

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On 6/30/2026 5:14 PM, c186282 wrote:

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
normal electronics, that's IT.

You cannot have 0.000000....00 nm chip.

That's a void, empty, nothing. :)
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On 30/06/2026 10:14, c186282 wrote:

On 6/29/26 07:20, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/29/2026 1:39 PM, c186282 wrote:

    Amazed they were able to get this small - but do
    expect a wall/seal is pretty much here. We're
    talking kinda atomic dimensions now - nowhere else
    to go using any conventional approaches. Anything
    much further won't be 'electronics' as we know it,
    some kind of weird quantum stuff.

    STABLE deca-state logic maybe ?

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

  Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
  normal electronics, that's IT.

Actually the limit is a fair bit above atoms

GOOGLE AI
=========
"Transistor nodes have shrunk dramatically, with leading developers like
IBM advancing into the sub-1 nanometre realm (e.g., 0.7-nanometer tech). However, absolute limits are rapidly approaching due to several factors:

Quantum Tunnelling: At sizes measuring just a few atoms across,
electrons no longer stay neatly in their channels. They start randomly
leaking or tunnelling through insulation barriers, resulting in massive
power loss and data corruption.

Atomic Boundary: The absolute physical limit for a silicon
semiconductor is effectively constrained by the size of the silicon
crystal unit cell (about 0.54 nm).

Heat Density: Shrinking transistors allows more components to be
packed together, but it creates extreme heat concentrations. The
challenge shifts from building them to keeping them cool without burning
out£

.....

I note that google can't spall 'nanometre' OR 'tunnelling; correctly

...
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On 6/30/26 09:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/30/2026 5:14 PM, c186282 wrote:

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

    Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
    normal electronics, that's IT.

You cannot have 0.000000....00 nm chip.

That's a void, empty, nothing. :)

"Electronics" are now about literal atom-thick structures.
Can't go any smaller.

Any better future stuff will have to exploit quantum
effects - get more bang for yer nanometer. Alas quantum
stuff isn't as deterministic as bulk matter devices
and suffer from the uncertainty principle.

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On 6/30/26 11:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/06/2026 10:14, c186282 wrote:

On 6/29/26 07:20, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/29/2026 1:39 PM, c186282 wrote:

    Amazed they were able to get this small - but do
    expect a wall/seal is pretty much here. We're
    talking kinda atomic dimensions now - nowhere else
    to go using any conventional approaches. Anything
    much further won't be 'electronics' as we know it,
    some kind of weird quantum stuff.

    STABLE deca-state logic maybe ?

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

   Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
   normal electronics, that's IT.

Actually the limit is a fair bit above atoms

True ... but 'atoms' can be easily grasped as
an absolute limit for any conventional electronics.

GOOGLE AI
=========
"Transistor nodes have shrunk dramatically, with leading developers like
IBM advancing into the sub-1 nanometre realm (e.g., 0.7-nanometer tech). However, absolute limits are rapidly approaching due to several factors:

    Quantum Tunnelling: At sizes measuring just a few atoms across, electrons no longer stay neatly in their channels. They start randomly leaking or tunnelling through insulation barriers, resulting in massive power loss and data corruption.

    Atomic Boundary: The absolute physical limit for a silicon semiconductor is effectively constrained by the size of the silicon
crystal unit cell (about 0.54 nm).

     Heat Density: Shrinking transistors allows more components to be packed together, but it creates extreme heat concentrations. The
challenge shifts from building them to keeping them cool without burning out£

Yep ... shrink too much and yer electrons start
disappearing and showing up in weird places.

IBM may have just built the Final Chip, so
to speak. Better stuff will have to use very
different technologies.

.....

I note that google can't spall 'nanometre' OR 'tunnelling; correctly

Lots of words I have problems with as well - and I was
always good at spelling.

'nanometre' ... sounds almost like a Euro spelling, kind
of like the Brits use 'colour' :-)

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'nanometre' ... sounds almost like a Euro spelling, kind
  of like the Brits use 'colour'  🙂

A meter has a dial and is used to measure things. Metres are units of
distance measurement.
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On 2026-06-30, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 6/30/26 09:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/30/2026 5:14 PM, c186282 wrote:

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

    Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
    normal electronics, that's IT.

You cannot have 0.000000....00 nm chip.

That's a void, empty, nothing. :)

I tried to think through the implications of this
but I got a divide error.

"Electronics" are now about literal atom-thick structures.
Can't go any smaller.

Any better future stuff will have to exploit quantum
effects - get more bang for yer nanometer. Alas quantum
stuff isn't as deterministic as bulk matter devices
and suffer from the uncertainty principle.

Omigod, we might have to revive the KISS principle
in order to get anything more done. The proponents
of complexity as a weapon will be so disappointed...
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On Tue, 6/30/2026 2:51 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-06-30, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 6/30/26 09:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/30/2026 5:14 PM, c186282 wrote:

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

    Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
    normal electronics, that's IT.

You cannot have 0.000000....00 nm chip.

That's a void, empty, nothing. :)

I tried to think through the implications of this
but I got a divide error.

"Electronics" are now about literal atom-thick structures.
Can't go any smaller.

Any better future stuff will have to exploit quantum
effects - get more bang for yer nanometer. Alas quantum
stuff isn't as deterministic as bulk matter devices
and suffer from the uncertainty principle.

Omigod, we might have to revive the KISS principle
in order to get anything more done. The proponents
of complexity as a weapon will be so disappointed...

This article is from the year 2001.

https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2001/04/new-process-makes-near-atomic-scale-nanobumps

"A nanometer is equal to the width of 3 silicon atoms."

"But the technique is limited by the wavelength of light, and to date,
commercial optical lithography has not been able to produce features
smaller than 150 nanometers in width."

OMG, we'd doomed, he said. Progress, stopped in its very tracks.
The AM table radio can never exist now. We will be loading our
muskets with ball and powder, like always. I will have to fold
my own towels now, as a $20,000 robot to do the job can never exist.

Articles like that put the pace of progress in perspective.

Whether we do a thing, depends on what it costs. So while IBM
can publish an article, it's not a given that this scheme will
work out. If it adds even a few more process steps, it will be
rejected as impractical. It currently takes 12 weeks to make
a chip. If there is an earthquake, a single quarter of yearly output
is thrown away (any wafers inside process machines, being etched,
doped, or sputtered, thrown away). If the manufacturing time of chips
were to double, to 24 weeks (about half a year), then the exposure
to earthquake losses, increases.

Paul
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 16:27:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

"Transistor nodes have shrunk dramatically, with leading developers like
IBM advancing into the sub-1 nanometre realm (e.g., 0.7-nanometer tech). However, absolute limits are rapidly approaching due to several factors:

iirc terms like '5 nm process' no longer refer to any physical dimension
so I'm curious what the actual gate size is on 0.7 nm tech.

IBM sold their fab lines to GlobalFoundries and their '7 nm' tech was
closer to Intel's 10 nm.


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On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 12:18:47 -0400, c186282 wrote:

IBM may have just built the Final Chip, so to speak. Better stuff
will have to use very different technologies.

IBM hasn't really built anything in a while.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Microelectronics

A friend spent his entire career at Essex Junction and timed his
retirement just right. He had interned at Fishkill when we were in
college, got his PhD, and segued into a full time IBM employee. That's relatively unique in the tech industry.

Interestingly the last time I visited him before I moved out of the area
he had bought a PCjr and wasn't quite sure what to do with it.
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 17:32:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/06/2026 17:18, c186282 wrote:

'nanometre' ... sounds almost like a Euro spelling, kind
  of like the Brits use 'colour'  🙂

A meter has a dial and is used to measure things. Metres are units of distance measurement.

In a few days the US will celebrate the 250th anniversary of telling the
Brits to piss off. That includes their quaint Eurotrash spelling.

I doubt there will be a 300th anniversary.
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 12:06:38 -0400, c186282 wrote:

Any better future stuff will have to exploit quantum effects - get
more bang for yer nanometer. Alas quantum stuff isn't as
deterministic as bulk matter devices and suffer from the uncertainty
principle.

Physics was a 4 semester course and the 4th was quantum when it started to
get weird. On one essay test I wrote about Heisenberg's uncertainty
principle versus Heidegger's principle uncertainty. Fortunately the
professor had a sense of humor or maybe he realized how far off the beaten path the original quantum guys got when you start thinking about the Being
of beings.
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 18:51:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-06-30, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 6/30/26 09:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/30/2026 5:14 PM, c186282 wrote:

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall?

    Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any normal
    electronics, that's IT.

You cannot have 0.000000....00 nm chip.

That's a void, empty, nothing.

I tried to think through the implications of this but I got a divide
error.

"Shariputra, form does not differ from emptiness; emptiness does not
differ from form. Form itself is emptiness, emptiness itself form. Sensations, perceptions, formations, and consciousness are also like
this."

https://www.izauk.org/multimedia-archive/hannya-shingyo-the-heart-sutra/

Gate Gate Paragate Parasamgate Bodhi Svaha.
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On Tue, 6/30/2026 12:06 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 6/30/26 09:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/30/2026 5:14 PM, c186282 wrote:

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

    Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
    normal electronics, that's IT.

You cannot have 0.000000....00 nm chip.

That's a void, empty, nothing. :)

  "Electronics" are now about literal atom-thick structures.
  Can't go any smaller.

  Any better future stuff will have to exploit quantum
  effects - get more bang for yer nanometer. Alas quantum
  stuff isn't as deterministic as bulk matter devices
  and suffer from the uncertainty principle.

But only if there are properties that actually have some use.

A quick Google tells me there is a thing called "spintronics"
which can make insulators. The materials are "foreign" to
current semiconductors (so the materials may not "play nice"
with the rest of the substrate). And having an insulator,
does not give me a switching transistor.

Historically, we've made good use of quantum mechanical "tunneling",
which is finding a way underneath energy barriers. We have one
afternoon lab using one of these (these diodes are used in
time domain reflectometry for the nice sharp edges). I put mine right
across the terminals of an HP gray-plastic power supply, the one with
the course and fine controls. And you can use the power supply
as a curve tracer, and walk the diode right up to the
point where it switches. The power supply has amazing
characteristics at DC (not so much at HF). And that was
a fun afternoon of farting around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_diode

And that's an illustration of an effect, it's not me predicting
they'll run right out and make something out of that.

This is another example of tunneling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#Fowler%E2%80%93Nordheim_tunneling

"The Fowler-Nordheim tunneling effect is reversible, so electrons
can be added to or removed from the floating gate, processes
traditionally known as writing and erasing."

There's no uncertainty principle there, you need enough electrons
to maintain noise immunity.

If there is some property that can be used, and is not a flaky pastry,
then it will be introduced slowly. There is too much money involved
for this to be just "science", it's "business" too. And that affects
how you do it.

Paul


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On 6/30/26 12:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/06/2026 17:18, c186282 wrote:

'nanometre' ... sounds almost like a Euro spelling, kind
   of like the Brits use 'colour'  🙂

A meter has a dial and is used to measure things. Metres are units of distance measurement.

Yea yea ... but you're no fun :-)

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On 7/1/2026 7:45 AM, rbowman wrote:

Physics was a 4 semester course and the 4th was quantum when it started to get weird. On one essay test I wrote about Heisenberg's uncertainty
principle versus Heidegger's principle uncertainty. Fortunately the
professor had a sense of humor or maybe he realized how far off the beaten path the original quantum guys got when you start thinking about the Being
of beings.

I was taught by a lecturer who claimed to have studied
quantum mechanics, when I was studying about a Computer
Studies degree in City Polytechnic/University of HK.
He taught us some stoachastic mathematics including
queuing theory. One my my classmate became his
"apprentice" and got a PhD under CityU.

LEGEND - Dr. S.L. Hung <https://sites.google.com/site/bsccs1990/home/teascher1/h-l-hung>

Kam Yiu LAM - CityUHK Scholars <https://scholars.cityu.edu.hk/en/persons/cskylam/>
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On 6/30/26 14:51, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-06-30, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 6/30/26 09:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/30/2026 5:14 PM, c186282 wrote:

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

    Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
    normal electronics, that's IT.

You cannot have 0.000000....00 nm chip.

That's a void, empty, nothing. :)

I tried to think through the implications of this
but I got a divide error.

"Electronics" are now about literal atom-thick structures.
Can't go any smaller.

Any better future stuff will have to exploit quantum
effects - get more bang for yer nanometer. Alas quantum
stuff isn't as deterministic as bulk matter devices
and suffer from the uncertainty principle.

Omigod, we might have to revive the KISS principle
in order to get anything more done. The proponents
of complexity as a weapon will be so disappointed...

I do understand .......

However more and more of our 'future' seems to - or we
have been SOLD the idea that it seems to - rely on
ever more complex 'systems', electronic and otherwise.

This is why trillions are being poured into AI "data
centers". Can't get there from here without Claude
and Mr. Chat - and don't forget the gigantic
authoritarian/Orwellian micro-managing neo-commie
bureaucracy !

Does like Namibia offer 'golden visas' ? I'm getting
too old to move now, but it's still a very tempting
idea ... WAY 'off grid'.

Computers - frankly the Core2-Quad is probably good
enough for almost anything especially real. I do have
a bunch of computers - but it's cheap laptops and
mini-boxes based on cheap chips. More than good
enough for anything I need.

(shit, can't even get the mini-boxes for any sane
price now - 'AI' has sucked up the entire global
memory chip output. No, NOT the trade wars, it's
the damned MEMORY CHIPS. Every device from yer
Mr. Coffee on up need CPUs and *MEMORY CHIPS*)

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On 6/30/26 17:58, Paul wrote:

On Tue, 6/30/2026 2:51 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-06-30, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 6/30/26 09:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/30/2026 5:14 PM, c186282 wrote:

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

    Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
    normal electronics, that's IT.

You cannot have 0.000000....00 nm chip.

That's a void, empty, nothing. :)

I tried to think through the implications of this
but I got a divide error.

"Electronics" are now about literal atom-thick structures.
Can't go any smaller.

Any better future stuff will have to exploit quantum
effects - get more bang for yer nanometer. Alas quantum
stuff isn't as deterministic as bulk matter devices
and suffer from the uncertainty principle.

Omigod, we might have to revive the KISS principle
in order to get anything more done. The proponents
of complexity as a weapon will be so disappointed...

This article is from the year 2001.

https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2001/04/new-process-makes-near-atomic-scale-nanobumps

"A nanometer is equal to the width of 3 silicon atoms."

"But the technique is limited by the wavelength of light, and to date,
commercial optical lithography has not been able to produce features
smaller than 150 nanometers in width."

OMG, we'd doomed, he said. Progress, stopped in its very tracks.
The AM table radio can never exist now. We will be loading our
muskets with ball and powder, like always. I will have to fold
my own towels now, as a $20,000 robot to do the job can never exist.

Articles like that put the pace of progress in perspective.

Whether we do a thing, depends on what it costs. So while IBM
can publish an article, it's not a given that this scheme will
work out. If it adds even a few more process steps, it will be
rejected as impractical. It currently takes 12 weeks to make
a chip. If there is an earthquake, a single quarter of yearly output
is thrown away (any wafers inside process machines, being etched,
doped, or sputtered, thrown away). If the manufacturing time of chips
were to double, to 24 weeks (about half a year), then the exposure
to earthquake losses, increases.

Paul

Apparently IBM has indeed BUILT these chips.

Whether they can be "commercial" is yet to be seen,
but they can license their techniques and hardware.
Even ONE nanometer, stacked, chips would have a
large market. If you can't go faster then do MORE
with the old speed/space.

But, for electronic reasons, the increasing quantum
issues, this IS probably about as far as possible.

Some whole new paradigms will be needed and quantum
will always suffer from uncertainty, not reliable
enough for yer financial shit. Think the Taxman is
gonna give you 'quantum uncertainty' slack ?

Apparently Ilhan Omar was using a quantum computer
when doing her last tax statement :-)

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On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 16:27:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

"Transistor nodes have shrunk dramatically, with leading developers like
IBM advancing into the sub-1 nanometre realm (e.g., 0.7-nanometer tech).
However, absolute limits are rapidly approaching due to several factors:

iirc terms like '5 nm process' no longer refer to any physical dimension
so I'm curious what the actual gate size is on 0.7 nm tech.

IBM sold their fab lines to GlobalFoundries and their '7 nm' tech was
closer to Intel's 10 nm.

Well, SEEMS like they've done the 1, or <1, nm
stacked chip.

They'll license that. Old company, but still kinda
out-front in their tech AND biz sense. NOT gonna
dump my stock.

Alas, as mentioned here, this IS about as far as
conventional electronics can go. Under 1nm the
quantum issues fuck up everything.

SO - we need entirely new tech paradigms now.
For 'electronics' we HAVE crashed into Dr. Moore.

Meanwhile, the stacked chips DO allow us to do
more, if not faster, in the same chip profiles.
There's money in that - for now.

Five years ... as said, we need Something Completely
Different. Maybe I'll be dead by then and won't care,
maybe not, but "transistors" aren't gonna go any
faster even as "AI" and a lot more DEMAND that.

Still wonder if "deca-state" logic, where the
intermediate values are stable and DON'T eat up
power, can be done. Some 'latching', 'layered',
design maybe. A few more layers per transistor.
I have this vague vision in my head ... quantified
analog, so to speak. One transistor, 2^10th
possible values.


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On 6/30/26 19:37, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 12:18:47 -0400, c186282 wrote:

IBM may have just built the Final Chip, so to speak. Better stuff
will have to use very different technologies.

IBM hasn't really built anything in a while.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Microelectronics

They're BEHIND it ... same thing, same $$$

A friend spent his entire career at Essex Junction and timed his
retirement just right. He had interned at Fishkill when we were in
college, got his PhD, and segued into a full time IBM employee. That's relatively unique in the tech industry.

"Dilbert" was based on IBM corporate culture/thinking.

Yes, sometimes absurd/insane ... but it HAS worked long term.

Maybe sometimes you NEED some insanity.

Not selling my stock.

Interestingly the last time I visited him before I moved out of the area
he had bought a PCjr and wasn't quite sure what to do with it.

PC-Jr wasn't a great computer - but would still
get most everything you needed DONE. More or less
affordable too.

IBM was never really geared for Joe Consumer - for
'biz' and above levels instead. They could not compete
with Compaq and friends and still make a buck, so they
just dumped that. Their old ThinkPads were pretty good,
but once they outsourced them, well, NOT so great.

For USERS, more than x-amount of home computer power
is usually just WASTED - advertising hype. I do have
one fairly strong desktop box - set it up (Linux) and
parked it in the junk room, never used since. My
cheapo laptops and mini-boxes are powerful enough
for anything *I* need now.

Had to re-install my MX security/streaming box. The
last install (MX) didn't go quite right and the main
desktop would HINT, but never actually GET there.
Burned a lot of CPU doing "nothing" too - box got
very hot.

DID save most of the valuable apps/configs though so
it was fairly easy this time after re-install.

Good install now, and have CHEATED - used the MX
"snapshot" utility to create a custom ISO with all
my goodies on it. IF it craps again I can go right
back to a fully working install. Taped the thumb
drive TO the unit so it won't get lost.

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On 6/30/26 19:40, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 17:32:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/06/2026 17:18, c186282 wrote:

'nanometre' ... sounds almost like a Euro spelling, kind
  of like the Brits use 'colour'  🙂

A meter has a dial and is used to measure things. Metres are units of
distance measurement.

In a few days the US will celebrate the 250th anniversary of telling the Brits to piss off. That includes their quaint Eurotrash spelling.

I doubt there will be a 300th anniversary.

Well, there WILL be - technically.

Whether it will be anything LIKE the
originally envisioned/realized USA
is another question. MANY are keen
on the Pol Pot Challenge ...

We DID see a lot of this in the 1960s,
exact same neo-Marxist slogans/rhetoric,
but there WAS that "silent majority" of
moderate Regular Joes/Janes then. No more.

Insanity rules now. The most absurd rhetoric
is widely believed as True.

NOT good !

Hmmmm ... one New York candidate, media darling,
wants to eliminate ALL cops/courts/jails etc.
The Crowd just LOVES her !

In "A Clockwork Orange" the govt could not control
the thugs. So, it HIRED them to be the new police
and such. Very very bad - and it seems like what
is being pushed NOW. Gangster Rule.

The thugs are viewed as the new Red Guard - the
brutal enforcers. The 'elite' decide, the thugs
CRUSH all opponents.

The NAZIs did this, as did Stalin and Mao and
Pol Pot. Empower the evil nobodies and they
WILL be your most loyal and fanatical adherents.
Body-count unlimited.

Did equal/fair/ethical/democratic disappear THIS
fuckin' fast ? Maybe so. Back to overlords and
conquerors and fanatics .........

I'm too old to live in some mountain bunker
anymore - and TOO much of the world has gone
more or less commie. Alas both Russia and
China have DUMPED 'communism' - didn't work
fer shit.

So what, Namibia ? Do they have 'golden visas' ?
FAR off-grid though ... nobody anywhere gives
a shit ......

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On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 12:06:38 -0400, c186282 wrote:

Any better future stuff will have to exploit quantum effects - get
more bang for yer nanometer. Alas quantum stuff isn't as
deterministic as bulk matter devices and suffer from the uncertainty
principle.

Physics was a 4 semester course and the 4th was quantum when it started to get weird. On one essay test I wrote about Heisenberg's uncertainty
principle versus Heidegger's principle uncertainty. Fortunately the
professor had a sense of humor or maybe he realized how far off the beaten path the original quantum guys got when you start thinking about the Being
of beings.

Hey, all we need is a "Heisenberg Compensator" :-)

As for the old Quantum Guys (maybe a few gals) - they
weren't really WRONG. The calx are the calx. Yea, it's
a Weird Weird World - nothing sympathetic to the human
nervous system - but then it's all NOT *ABOUT* US.

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On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 18:51:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-06-30, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 6/30/26 09:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/30/2026 5:14 PM, c186282 wrote:

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall?

    Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any normal
    electronics, that's IT.

You cannot have 0.000000....00 nm chip.

That's a void, empty, nothing.

I tried to think through the implications of this but I got a divide
error.

"Shariputra, form does not differ from emptiness; emptiness does not
differ from form. Form itself is emptiness, emptiness itself form. Sensations, perceptions, formations, and consciousness are also like
this."

https://www.izauk.org/multimedia-archive/hannya-shingyo-the-heart-sutra/

Gate Gate Paragate Parasamgate Bodhi Svaha.

Umm ... so we're JUST MAKING IT UP.

Don't disagree for the most part. The Buddha,
even Plato to an extent, realized this 2500
years ago.

We YEARN for the anthropomorphic ... some hint
that the universe/reality cleaves to human-type
perceptions.

Nope.

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On 6/30/26 22:09, Paul wrote:

On Tue, 6/30/2026 12:06 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 6/30/26 09:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 6/30/2026 5:14 PM, c186282 wrote:

Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?

Is zero the seal or wall? :)

    Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
    normal electronics, that's IT.

You cannot have 0.000000....00 nm chip.

That's a void, empty, nothing. :)

  "Electronics" are now about literal atom-thick structures.
  Can't go any smaller.

  Any better future stuff will have to exploit quantum
  effects - get more bang for yer nanometer. Alas quantum
  stuff isn't as deterministic as bulk matter devices
  and suffer from the uncertainty principle.

But only if there are properties that actually have some use.

True.

There do seem to be SOME uses - but "general utility"
is not so clear.

A quick Google tells me there is a thing called "spintronics"
which can make insulators. The materials are "foreign" to
current semiconductors (so the materials may not "play nice"
with the rest of the substrate). And having an insulator,
does not give me a switching transistor.

Umm, no. "SpinTronics" may have uses - but, as you said,
it does not segway neatly with existing tech.

(fun - my spell-checker thing wants "Segway" - the
two-wheeled commercial thingie :-)

There are all sorts of exotic potential tech - weird
probability waves spreading over 2-D surfaces and such.
Can they be made into USEFUL technologies ? Maybe 10%
and only for specialized uses.

Existing transistor tech - it's deterministic, solid.
Alas with the IBM product we've probably reached the
bitter END of conventional electronics. Some seriously
different stuff will be needed for The Future if we
need more speed/density.

Historically, we've made good use of quantum mechanical "tunneling",
which is finding a way underneath energy barriers. We have one
afternoon lab using one of these (these diodes are used in
time domain reflectometry for the nice sharp edges). I put mine right
across the terminals of an HP gray-plastic power supply, the one with
the course and fine controls. And you can use the power supply
as a curve tracer, and walk the diode right up to the
point where it switches. The power supply has amazing
characteristics at DC (not so much at HF). And that was
a fun afternoon of farting around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_diode

And that's an illustration of an effect, it's not me predicting
they'll run right out and make something out of that.

This is another example of tunneling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#Fowler%E2%80%93Nordheim_tunneling

"The Fowler-Nordheim tunneling effect is reversible, so electrons
can be added to or removed from the floating gate, processes
traditionally known as writing and erasing."

There's no uncertainty principle there, you need enough electrons
to maintain noise immunity.

NO longer sure if you go below 1nm alas.

If there is some property that can be used, and is not a flaky pastry,
then it will be introduced slowly. There is too much money involved
for this to be just "science", it's "business" too. And that affects
how you do it.

Expect a LOT of flaky pastries in short order.

One or two will be useful/do-able.

The rest ....

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On 7/1/2026 3:13 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 6/30/26 19:45, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 12:06:38 -0400, c186282 wrote:

Physics was a 4 semester course and the 4th was quantum when it started to >> get weird. On one essay test I wrote about Heisenberg's uncertainty
principle versus Heidegger's principle uncertainty. Fortunately the
professor had a sense of humor or maybe he realized how far off the beaten >> path the original quantum guys got when you start thinking about the Being >> of beings.

Hey, all we need is a "Heisenberg Compensator" :-)

As for the old Quantum Guys (maybe a few gals)...

So quantum mechanics is just pig-cheat? ;)
It's just mathematical philosophy?
Quantitative Philiosphy? :)
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On 7/1/26 03:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 7/1/2026 3:13 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 6/30/26 19:45, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 12:06:38 -0400, c186282 wrote:

Physics was a 4 semester course and the 4th was quantum when it
started to
get weird. On one essay test I wrote about Heisenberg's uncertainty
principle versus Heidegger's principle uncertainty. Fortunately the
professor had a sense of humor or maybe he realized how far off the
beaten
path the original quantum guys got when you start thinking about the
Being
of beings.

    Hey, all we need is a "Heisenberg Compensator" :-)

    As for the old Quantum Guys (maybe a few gals)...

So quantum mechanics is just pig-cheat? ;)
It's just mathematical philosophy?
Quantitative Philiosphy? :)

No, VERY quantitative.

Did you expect the universe to appeal
to anthropomorphic ideals ?

It's NOT *ABOUT* US.


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On Wed, 7/1/2026 2:04 AM, c186282 wrote:

On 6/30/26 19:28, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 16:27:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

"Transistor nodes have shrunk dramatically, with leading developers like >>> IBM advancing into the sub-1 nanometre realm (e.g., 0.7-nanometer tech). >>> However, absolute limits are rapidly approaching due to several factors:

iirc terms like '5 nm process' no longer refer to any physical dimension
so I'm curious what the actual gate size is on 0.7 nm tech.

IBM sold their fab lines to GlobalFoundries and their '7 nm' tech was
closer to Intel's 10 nm.

  Well, SEEMS like they've done the 1, or <1, nm
  stacked chip.

You will need to see the dimensions of the whole thing,
to see which "chance" dimension is 1nm.

https://newsroom.ibm.com/2026-06-25-ibm-debuts-worlds-first-sub-1-nanometer-chip-technology

https://filecache.mediaroom.com/mr5mr_ibmnewsroom/201436/IBM-Research_TEM_4.jpg

The diagram here, is too hard to read. The FINFET is on the left. The Gate All Around
device in the center. The stacked P channel and N channel on the right.

https://www.eetimes.com/ibm-shows-sub-1-nm-chips-targeting-production-in-5-years/

They talk here, of two wafers being bonded vertically. Which might
be how the scheme maintains a semblance of manufacturability. Imagine
an 18" (450mm" wafer, aligned at the atomic level.

https://www.servethehome.com/ibm-outlines-sub-1nm-nanostack-transistor-technology/

Paul

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On 01/07/2026 00:40, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 17:32:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/06/2026 17:18, c186282 wrote:

'nanometre' ... sounds almost like a Euro spelling, kind
  of like the Brits use 'colour'  🙂

A meter has a dial and is used to measure things. Metres are units of
distance measurement.

In a few days the US will celebrate the 250th anniversary of telling the Brits to piss off. That includes their quaint Eurotrash spelling.

I doubt there will be a 300th anniversary.

Agreed. Post Trump, there will be no USA
--
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."

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  Umm ... so we're JUST MAKING IT UP.

Yes, but only the form. The substances is still there.

  Don't disagree for the most part. The Buddha,
  even Plato to an extent, realized this 2500
  years ago.

  We YEARN for the anthropomorphic ... some hint
  that the universe/reality cleaves to human-type
  perceptions.

People yearn even more for someone who can assure them they Know Where
Its At.
Even when its patently obvious they are making it all up.

Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would stop
a lot of argument.
--
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."

- Leo Tolstoy


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On 01/07/2026 03:09, Paul wrote:

There's no uncertainty principle there, you need enough electrons
to maintain noise immunity.

Quantum uncertainty becomes macro certainty as the probability
approaches unity.

In terms of nanometre sized chip technology, that is a measurable
distance from unity
--
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

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On 01/07/2026 08:29, c186282 wrote:

  Umm, no. "SpinTronics" may have uses - but, as you said,
  it does not segway neatly with existing tech.

SEGUE
From the iItalian. Same root as 'sequence'

  (fun - my spell-checker thing wants "Segway" - the
  two-wheeled commercial thingie :-)

...
  Existing transistor tech - it's deterministic, solid.

No. its probabilistic. Nu the probabilities are very c;lose to unity.

  Alas with the IBM product we've probably reached the
  bitter END of conventional electronics. Some seriously
  different stuff will be needed for The Future if we
  need more speed/density.

Waffle.
--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

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On 01/07/2026 06:15, c186282 wrote:

Apparently IBM has indeed BUILT these chips.

"I can call spirits, from the vasty deep'
'Why so can I or any man, but will they come when you do so call them?'

I have sub nanometre chips in my hand right now. They don't do anything
or work, of course and are invisible to the naked eye and indeed the
most powerful scanning electron microscopes.

But they do wonders for stock prices.
--
The New Left are the people they warned you about.

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On 7/1/2026 4:22 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 7/1/26 03:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

So quantum mechanics is just pig-cheat? ;)
It's just mathematical philosophy?
Quantitative Philiosphy? :)

No, VERY quantitative.

Did you expect the universe to appeal
to anthropomorphic ideals ?

It's NOT *ABOUT* US.

I see the world with my naked eyes.
NOT wearing mathematical eyeglasse. :)
--

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would stop
a lot of argument.

His shit proved to be anything but harmless.
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On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would stop
a lot of argument.

His shit proved to be anything but harmless.

Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
American Bigot back then in the bronze age.
--
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into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
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On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:23:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would
stop a lot of argument.

His shit proved to be anything but harmless.

Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
American Bigot back then in the bronze age.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/32.html

"So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the
LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp
from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’ ”
28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand
of the people died."


And that's before the genocide of anybody living in the the area their
tribal god supposedly promised to them but it's after the little adventure
in Egypt.

Read that one again and think about what it's really saying. Get sent to
Egypt as a slave, work your way up to a position of power with some hocus pocus. Send home to you tribe and tell them to come on over the pickings
are good. Corner the grain market and then when the crops fail trade it
back to the people you stole it from for their land and any cash they
have.

When the natives finally get pissed, have your tribal god send a few
plagues and so forth. The steal everything that isn't tied down, I think
the biblical term is despoil, and beat feet.

I've read Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Tao, Greek and other literature but
most people don't write their sacred book about what a bunch of pricks
they are.

The Christians could have made a clean break but waffled. Islam is a
Christian heresy for people who can't wrap their mind around trinitarian doctrine.

And here we are now, SSDD.

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On 7/1/26 11:41, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 7/1/2026 4:22 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 7/1/26 03:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

So quantum mechanics is just pig-cheat? ;)
It's just mathematical philosophy?
Quantitative Philiosphy? :)

    No, VERY quantitative.

    Did you expect the universe to appeal
    to anthropomorphic ideals ?

    It's NOT *ABOUT* US.

I see the world with my naked eyes.
NOT wearing mathematical eyeglasse. :)

Then you're only seeing half of it.

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On 7/2/2026 1:56 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 7/1/26 11:41, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

I see the world with my naked eyes.
NOT wearing mathematical eyeglasse. :)

Then you're only seeing half of it.

Okay, is the other half of it FLAT? ;)
--

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/ v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
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On 7/1/26 21:57, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:23:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would
stop a lot of argument.

His shit proved to be anything but harmless.

Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
American Bigot back then in the bronze age.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/32.html

"So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’ ”
28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand
of the people died."

And that's before the genocide of anybody living in the the area their
tribal god supposedly promised to them but it's after the little adventure
in Egypt.

Read that one again and think about what it's really saying. Get sent to Egypt as a slave, work your way up to a position of power with some hocus pocus. Send home to you tribe and tell them to come on over the pickings
are good. Corner the grain market and then when the crops fail trade it
back to the people you stole it from for their land and any cash they
have.

When the natives finally get pissed, have your tribal god send a few
plagues and so forth. The steal everything that isn't tied down, I think
the biblical term is despoil, and beat feet.

I've read Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Tao, Greek and other literature but most people don't write their sacred book about what a bunch of pricks
they are.

The Christians could have made a clean break but waffled. Islam is a Christian heresy for people who can't wrap their mind around trinitarian doctrine.

And here we are now, SSDD.

Wow dude ! Still pissed because you never got
your letter from Hogwarts ??? :-)

People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a
prob with one/some/all religions then just
smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it
and usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" -
or do you propose putting the sword to all
not exactly in YOUR little faction as per
your abovementioned Moses faction ?

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On 7/2/26 02:04, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 7/2/2026 1:56 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 7/1/26 11:41, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

I see the world with my naked eyes.
NOT wearing mathematical eyeglasse. :)

    Then you're only seeing half of it.

Okay, is the other half of it FLAT? ;)

No, the most detailed tapestry ever.

The Numbers can take you far beyond
anything your senses can deliver,

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On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 16:50:44 -0400, c186282 wrote:

On 7/2/26 02:04, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 7/2/2026 1:56 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 7/1/26 11:41, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

I see the world with my naked eyes. NOT wearing mathematical
eyeglasse. :)

    Then you're only seeing half of it.

Okay, is the other half of it FLAT? ;)

No, the most detailed tapestry ever.

The Numbers can take you far beyond anything your senses can deliver,

Spoken like a true Pythagorean. Their Numbers were as real as Plato's
Forms.

I've always thought it odd 'Platonic realism' refers to the unreal.
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 16:48:56 -0400, c186282 wrote:

People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a prob with one/some/all
religions then just smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it and
usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" - or do you propose putting the
sword to all not exactly in YOUR little faction as per your
abovementioned Moses faction ?

It's hard to smile and ignore religion when the US is pouring billions and lives into a situation based on religion. Do you think Huckabee would take
the same stand were he not a Christian Zionist?

I'm not even going into the Thirty Years War when the supposed Christians disagreed on doctrinal points or the way Islam spread its teachings.

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On 7/2/26 17:26, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 16:50:44 -0400, c186282 wrote:

On 7/2/26 02:04, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 7/2/2026 1:56 PM, c186282 wrote:

On 7/1/26 11:41, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

I see the world with my naked eyes. NOT wearing mathematical
eyeglasse. :)

    Then you're only seeing half of it.

Okay, is the other half of it FLAT? ;)

No, the most detailed tapestry ever.

The Numbers can take you far beyond anything your senses can deliver,

Spoken like a true Pythagorean. Their Numbers were as real as Plato's
Forms.

Well, they were kind of NEW at the numbers
back then :-)

Quantum mechanics came along a bit later.

I've always thought it odd 'Platonic realism' refers to the unreal.

IS kinda odd.

Anyway, The Numbers have improved, and improved our
understanding, over time - 'philosophy', not so much.
Same old bullshitting about bullshit under the delusion
that Answers will arise.

Or maybe just that if you confuse people enough they
will drop coins on yer collection plate ? :-)

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On 7/2/26 17:32, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 16:48:56 -0400, c186282 wrote:

People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a prob with one/some/all
religions then just smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it and
usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" - or do you propose putting the
sword to all not exactly in YOUR little faction as per your
abovementioned Moses faction ?

It's hard to smile and ignore religion when the US is pouring billions and lives into a situation based on religion. Do you think Huckabee would take the same stand were he not a Christian Zionist?

If anything BUT a Shia fanatic then he'd better ...

I'm not even going into the Thirty Years War when the supposed Christians disagreed on doctrinal points or the way Islam spread its teachings.

Good. Not worth it.

People ALWAYS find a 'reason' to hate "Them".

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On 02/07/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:

On 7/1/26 21:57, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:23:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would
stop a lot of argument.

His shit proved to be anything but harmless.

Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
American Bigot back then in the bronze age.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/32.html

"So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the
LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: >> ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp
from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and
neighbor.’ ”
28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand
of the people died."


And that's before the genocide of anybody living in the the area their
tribal god supposedly promised to them but it's after the little
adventure
in Egypt.

Read that one again and think about what it's really saying. Get sent to
Egypt as a slave, work your way up to a position of power with some hocus
pocus. Send home to you tribe and tell them to come on over the pickings
are good. Corner the grain market and then when the crops fail trade it
back to the people you stole it from for their land and any cash they
have.

When the natives finally get pissed, have your tribal god send a few
plagues and so forth. The steal everything that isn't tied down, I think
the biblical term is despoil, and beat feet.

I've read Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Tao, Greek and other literature but
most people don't write their sacred book about what a bunch of pricks
they are.

The Christians could have made a clean break but waffled. Islam is a
Christian heresy for people who can't wrap their mind around trinitarian
doctrine.

And here we are now, SSDD.

  Wow dude ! Still pissed because you never got
  your letter from Hogwarts ???  :-)

  People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
  Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a
  prob with one/some/all religions then just
  smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it
  and usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" -
  or do you propose putting the sword to all
  not exactly in YOUR little faction as per
  your abovementioned Moses faction ?

I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses was.
--
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

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On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 02/07/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:

On 7/1/26 21:57, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:23:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would >>>>>> stop a lot of argument.

His shit proved to be anything but harmless.

Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
American Bigot back then in the bronze age.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/32.html

"So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the >>> LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel,
says:
‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp >>> from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and
neighbor.’ ”
28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand >>> of the people died."


And that's before the genocide of anybody living in the the area their
tribal god supposedly promised to them but it's after the little
adventure
in Egypt.

Read that one again and think about what it's really saying. Get sent to >>> Egypt as a slave, work your way up to a position of power with some
hocus
pocus. Send home to you tribe and tell them to come on over the pickings >>> are good. Corner the grain market and then when the crops fail trade it
back to the people you stole it from for their land and any cash they
have.

When the natives finally get pissed, have your tribal god send a few
plagues and so forth. The steal everything that isn't tied down, I think >>> the biblical term is despoil, and beat feet.

I've read Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Tao, Greek and other literature
but
most people don't write their sacred book about what a bunch of pricks
they are.

The Christians could have made a clean break but waffled. Islam is a
Christian heresy for people who can't wrap their mind around trinitarian >>> doctrine.

And here we are now, SSDD.

   Wow dude ! Still pissed because you never got
   your letter from Hogwarts ???  :-)

   People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
   Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a
   prob with one/some/all religions then just
   smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it
   and usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" -
   or do you propose putting the sword to all
   not exactly in YOUR little faction as per
   your abovementioned Moses faction ?

I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses was.

At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
directly from Yaweh :-)

Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
and functionaries instead - incapable of
doing anything or unifying anyone ?

Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

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On 2026-07-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses was.

At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
directly from Yaweh :-)

Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
and functionaries instead - incapable of
doing anything or unifying anyone ?

Yes! If I were in a boat drifting aimlessly down
a river toward a waterfall I'd rather not fire up
the motor and drive full speed toward the edge.

Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

We're all gonna party like it's 1933...
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation
/ \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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On 2026-07-04 19:06, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-07-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses was. >>

At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
directly from Yaweh :-)

Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
and functionaries instead - incapable of
doing anything or unifying anyone ?

Yes! If I were in a boat drifting aimlessly down
a river toward a waterfall I'd rather not fire up
the motor and drive full speed toward the edge.

Yes, if you can call the military to bomb the waterfall out of existence
in time, and don't TACO! :-P

Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

We're all gonna party like it's 1933...

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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On 04/07/2026 14:32, c186282 wrote:

On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 02/07/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:

On 7/1/26 21:57, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:23:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would >>>>>>> stop a lot of argument.

His shit proved to be anything but harmless.

Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
American Bigot back then in the bronze age.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/32.html

"So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the >>>> LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, >>>> says:
‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp >>>> from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and
neighbor.’ ”
28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three
thousand
of the people died."


And that's before the genocide of anybody living in the the area their >>>> tribal god supposedly promised to them but it's after the little
adventure
in Egypt.

Read that one again and think about what it's really saying. Get
sent to
Egypt as a slave, work your way up to a position of power with some
hocus
pocus. Send home to you tribe and tell them to come on over the
pickings
are good. Corner the grain market and then when the crops fail trade it >>>> back to the people you stole it from for their land and any cash they
have.

When the natives finally get pissed, have your tribal god send a few
plagues and so forth. The steal everything that isn't tied down, I
think
the biblical term is despoil, and beat feet.

I've read Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Tao, Greek and other
literature but
most people don't write their sacred book about what a bunch of pricks >>>> they are.

The Christians could have made a clean break but waffled. Islam is a
Christian heresy for people who can't wrap their mind around
trinitarian
doctrine.

And here we are now, SSDD.

   Wow dude ! Still pissed because you never got
   your letter from Hogwarts ???  :-)

   People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
   Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a
   prob with one/some/all religions then just
   smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it
   and usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" -
   or do you propose putting the sword to all
   not exactly in YOUR little faction as per
   your abovementioned Moses faction ?

I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses
was.

  At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
  directly from Yaweh  :-)

Just Netanyahu and Putin...

  Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
  first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
  and functionaries instead - incapable of
  doing anything or unifying anyone ?

Id prefer quiet competence and a small state.

  Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

WTF is 'W'?
Winnie the Pooh?
--
"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight
and understanding".

Marshall McLuhan


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On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 17:06:37 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-07-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses
was.

At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders directly from Yaweh :-)

Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the first or last. Would
you prefer boring bcrats and functionaries instead - incapable of
doing anything or unifying anyone ?

Yes! If I were in a boat drifting aimlessly down a river toward a
waterfall I'd rather not fire up the motor and drive full speed toward
the edge.

Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

We're all gonna party like it's 1933...

23 March 1933? Trump is hardly a good example but assume there was a president with the greatest ideas in the world. When trying to implement
those ideas his own party sabotaged the efforts and if he did succeed in accomplishing anything some piss ant judge would throw a wrench in the
works.

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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 04/07/2026 14:32, c186282 wrote:

  Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

WTF is 'W'?
Winnie the Pooh?

Shorthand for George Herbert Walker Bush (i.e., George Bush number
one).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Herbert_Walker_Bush
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On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:20:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

WTF is 'W'?
Winnie the Pooh?

Close. George W. Bush. I'll confess to voting for him in 2000 since the
other choices were Fat Albert Gore and Nader. Then the asshole attacked
the wrong country based on bullshit. I had enough bullshit to last with
LBJ.

I should have known better since he was the spawn of George H.W. Bush,
smarmy, effete son of Prescott Bush, who was the son of sme bitch.
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On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 20:28:20 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 04/07/2026 14:32, c186282 wrote:

  Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

WTF is 'W'?
Winnie the Pooh?

Shorthand for George Herbert Walker Bush (i.e., George Bush number one).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Herbert_Walker_Bush

Wrong Bush.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

His legacy lives on with Roberts who is slightly to the left of
Sotomayor.
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On 2026-07-04, Rich wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 04/07/2026 14:32, c186282 wrote:

  Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

WTF is 'W'?
Winnie the Pooh?

Shorthand for George Herbert Walker Bush (i.e., George Bush number
one).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Herbert_Walker_Bush

<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Dubya>
--
Nuno Silva
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On 7/4/26 13:06, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-07-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses was. >>

At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
directly from Yaweh :-)

Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
and functionaries instead - incapable of
doing anything or unifying anyone ?

Yes! If I were in a boat drifting aimlessly down
a river toward a waterfall I'd rather not fire up
the motor and drive full speed toward the edge.

Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

We're all gonna party like it's 1933...

Yay ! "Puttin' On The Ritz" ! :-)

Even in '33 our prospects for the future
were MUCH better than anything the pinkos
had to offer.

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On 7/4/26 14:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 04/07/2026 14:32, c186282 wrote:

On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 02/07/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:

On 7/1/26 21:57, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:23:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>>

Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would >>>>>>>> stop a lot of argument.

His shit proved to be anything but harmless.

Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
American Bigot back then in the bronze age.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/32.html

"So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the >>>>> LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, >>>>> says:
‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the >>>>> camp
from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and
neighbor.’ ”
28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three
thousand
of the people died."


And that's before the genocide of anybody living in the the area their >>>>> tribal god supposedly promised to them but it's after the little
adventure
in Egypt.

Read that one again and think about what it's really saying. Get
sent to
Egypt as a slave, work your way up to a position of power with some >>>>> hocus
pocus. Send home to you tribe and tell them to come on over the
pickings
are good. Corner the grain market and then when the crops fail
trade it
back to the people you stole it from for their land and any cash they >>>>> have.

When the natives finally get pissed, have your tribal god send a few >>>>> plagues and so forth. The steal everything that isn't tied down, I
think
the biblical term is despoil, and beat feet.

I've read Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Tao, Greek and other
literature but
most people don't write their sacred book about what a bunch of pricks >>>>> they are.

The Christians could have made a clean break but waffled. Islam is a >>>>> Christian heresy for people who can't wrap their mind around
trinitarian
doctrine.

And here we are now, SSDD.

   Wow dude ! Still pissed because you never got
   your letter from Hogwarts ???  :-)

   People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
   Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a
   prob with one/some/all religions then just
   smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it
   and usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" -
   or do you propose putting the sword to all
   not exactly in YOUR little faction as per
   your abovementioned Moses faction ?

I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump
Moses was.

   At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
   directly from Yaweh  :-)

Just Netanyahu and Putin...

Alas, kinda true.

Bebe ... DO note his bad political position.
The EXTREME factions have a LOT of power there
and basically want to nuke anything and anyone
who are not ultra-Zionists. Bebe has to walk a
narrow line - lest it all spin out of control.

Putin, well, seems to think HE is the only one
privy to the Thoughts Of Gawd. We've seen people
like that before - but they didn't have a huge
army or nuclear arsenal.

   Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
   first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
   and functionaries instead - incapable of
   doing anything or unifying anyone ?

Id prefer quiet competence and a small state.

"Quiet competence" doesn't get it DONE. Gotta
be Out Front - or ELSE.

As for a "small state" - while I'd kinda LIKE that
I'm just not sure it's viable anymore - more an
1800s agri-nation sentiment.

   Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

WTF is 'W'?
Winnie the Pooh?

Wow .........

Ultra-Revisionist 'history' classes eh ?

How can you plot a path to The Future if you don't
even know where you've BEEN, even recently ???

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On 7/4/26 16:42, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:20:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

WTF is 'W'?
Winnie the Pooh?

Close. George W. Bush.

Actually GHW Bush :-)

Anyway, if they don't know even THAT ... don't
inform them - just empowers their insanity. It
also means they're floating in a historical
interstellar void - don't know where they've come
from, ergo have NO idea where they're going.

Trump was right to nuke the Dept of Anti-Education.
Maybe too late alas ...

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On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 23:51:13 -0400, c186282 wrote:

On 7/4/26 16:42, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:20:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

WTF is 'W'? Winnie the Pooh?

Close. George W. Bush.

Actually GHW Bush

https://www.dictionary.com/culture/politics/dubya

When you're wrong you're wrong.
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On 05/07/2026 04:45, c186282 wrote:

Putin, well, seems to think HE is the only one
  privy to the Thoughts Of Gawd. We've seen people
  like that before - but they didn't have a huge
  army or nuclear arsenal.

Neither, it turns out, does Putin.
Consider:
You are a paranoid minority supported dictator on fear of your own
minions and the West.
If NATO decides to take you, it can. You don't realise that the last
thing NATO wants is to have to run Russia.

You cant do the all out war thing. But what you can do is spin a legend.
The legend of the madness of dictators who will push the red button if threatened. You can fund every single radical left or right political
group in your enemies ranks from Black lives matter to pro Lifers.

You can fund any group spreading the pretended horror of nuclear war,
weapons and power stations.

Meanwhile you do a huge military on the cheap. A few nuclear tests show
you have the Bomb, and a few missile runs show you have the delivery.

The rest on parade in Red Square might as well be cardboard. They're
not real. They are there to support the legend of a militarily powerful
nation armed with nuclear weapons it is not afraid to use.

And finally you have the Reptile fund. For the clandestine purchasing
and blackmail of free world politicians. And media influencers. How many Hollywood nuclear horror movies were funded indirectly from the Kremlin?

   Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
   first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
   and functionaries instead - incapable of
   doing anything or unifying anyone ?

Id prefer quiet competence and a small state.

  "Quiet competence" doesn't get it DONE. Gotta
  be Out Front - or ELSE.

Oh, but it does. You just don't notice it happening.

  As for a "small state" - while I'd kinda LIKE that
  I'm just not sure it's viable anymore - more an
  1800s agri-nation sentiment.

Of course it is possible.
But turkeys don't vote for Christmas

   Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

WTF is 'W'?
Winnie the Pooh?

  Wow .........

  Ultra-Revisionist 'history' classes eh ?

No, just not steeped in US folklore.
If you had said 'Dubya' I would have known.

  How can you plot a path to The Future if you don't
  even know where you've BEEN, even recently ???

The incoherent parochialism, of the American Indoctrinated is not of particular concern to ROW...
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On 2026-07-05 05:51, c186282 wrote:

On 7/4/26 16:42, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:20:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

WTF is 'W'?
Winnie the Pooh?

Close. George W. Bush.

  Actually GHW Bush  :-)

  Anyway, if they don't know even THAT ... don't

Why would I know that?
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