W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I switch
from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent
Thunderbird), and problem gone!
W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I
switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent
Thunderbird), and problem gone!
What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com
problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary
Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day.
On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I
switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent
Thunderbird), and problem gone!
What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com
problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary
Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And
Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day.
I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case
the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal
strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times
it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird
does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal
to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to
restart TBird, some days over and over and over.
But other days are pretty OK. Weird.
Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted,
and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things.
On 2026-04-15 01:23, c186282 wrote:
On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I
switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent
Thunderbird), and problem gone!
What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com
problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary
Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And
Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day.
I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case
the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal
strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times
it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird
does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal
to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to
restart TBird, some days over and over and over.
But other days are pretty OK. Weird.
Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted,
and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things.
In that situation, maybe you should use leafnode.
On 4/15/26 05:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-15 01:23, c186282 wrote:
On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I
switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent >>>>> Thunderbird), and problem gone!
What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com
problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary
Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And
Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day.
I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case
the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal
strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times
it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird
does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal
to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to
restart TBird, some days over and over and over.
But other days are pretty OK. Weird.
Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted,
and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things.
In that situation, maybe you should use leafnode.
Nah ... don't want to set up a server, just
access someone else's server. The other Linux
newsreaders ... um ......
Next time my connection gets really bad, I had
this idea of just writing a few-line ping script
that independently helps keep the server connection
alive.
On 4/15/26 05:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-15 01:23, c186282 wrote:
On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I
switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent >>>>> Thunderbird), and problem gone!
What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com
problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary
Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And
Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day.
I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case
the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal
strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times
it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird
does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal
to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to
restart TBird, some days over and over and over.
But other days are pretty OK. Weird.
Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted,
and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things.
In that situation, maybe you should use leafnode.
Nah ... don't want to set up a server, just
access someone else's server. The other Linux
newsreaders ... um ......
Next time my connection gets really bad, I had
this idea of just writing a few-line ping script
that independently helps keep the server connection
alive.
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Next time my connection gets really bad, I had
this idea of just writing a few-line ping script
that independently helps keep the server connection
alive.
tin times out the NNTP connection after a short period, and
automatically reconnects when something happens that needs the
connection. I'm on FIOS, so I've not had the actual network drop on
tin to know for sure, but the fact that it already handles "up" and
"down" of the TCP connection implies it would reconnect after a network outage glitch as well.
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
and don't get me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that
expect to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall
apart at the slightest network glitch (often taking your
entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user
feedback.
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes
an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's,
that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the
very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less
on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them.
and don't get me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that
expect to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall
apart at the slightest network glitch (often taking your
entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user
feedback.
Yep, almost /all/ written by "newer devs" that "have never known a time
with intermittent network connectivity". So naturally their code is
totally unprepared to handle the situation gracefully.
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes
an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's,
that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the
very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less
on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them.
On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much
assumes an always on internet connection that is never down. For
those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always
seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes
randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown
to them.
Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed.
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Next time my connection gets really bad, I had
this idea of just writing a few-line ping script
that independently helps keep the server connection
alive.
tin times out the NNTP connection after a short period, and
automatically reconnects when something happens that needs the
connection. I'm on FIOS, so I've not had the actual network drop on
tin to know for sure, but the fact that it already handles "up" and
"down" of the TCP connection implies it would reconnect after a network
outage glitch as well.
My damn internet is up and down all the time and Tin probably
handles it better than most programs, though there are some bugs.
There's one I really should report, but there's an unknown extra
detail required to reproduce it that I haven't spent the time
trying to pin down yet. It's surprising how many programs handle
internet connection drop-outs really badly though, and don't get
me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that expect
to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall apart
at the slightest network glitch (often taking your
entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user
feedback.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much
assumes an always on internet connection that is never down. For
those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always
seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes
randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown
to them.
Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed.
Yes, leafnode is a solution to the OP's problem.
But since the OP typically prefers to complain instead of fix,
I
predict the OP will not install leafnode (nor switch to tin) but will
instead continue to complain about thunderbird's handling of
intermittent connections.
On 17/04/2026 12:44, Rich wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:Unfortunately the TCP/IP protocol is written with intermittency
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes
an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's,
that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the
very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less
on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them.
specifically in mind
On 17/04/2026 12:44, Rich wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:Unfortunately the TCP/IP protocol is written with intermittency
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes
an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's,
that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the
very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less
on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them.
specifically in mind
and don't get me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that
expect to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall
apart at the slightest network glitch (often taking your
entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user
feedback.
Yep, almost /all/ written by "newer devs" that "have never known a time
with intermittent network connectivity". So naturally their code is
totally unprepared to handle the situation gracefully.
Bollocks
| Sysop: | DaiTengu |
|---|---|
| Location: | Appleton, WI |
| Users: | 1,113 |
| Nodes: | 10 (0 / 10) |
| Uptime: | 492335:43:32 |
| Calls: | 14,238 |
| Files: | 186,312 |
| D/L today: |
3,558 files (1,159M bytes) |
| Messages: | 2,514,865 |