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Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote at 23:29 this Saturday (GMT):

On Nov 29, 2025 at 4:55:24 PM EST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

<https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-finally-admits-almost-all-major-windows-11-core-features-are-broken/>:

... the company in a new support article has admitted that there
are problems on almost every major Windows 11 core feature. The
issues are related to XAML and this impacts all the Shell
components like the Start Menu, Taskbar, Explorer, and Windows
Settings.

Interestingly, while Microsoft is only acknowledging the issue in
November 2025, this has been a problem since the July 2025 Patch
Tuesday update (KB5062553), so that is four months. Also since
Windows 11 25H2 shares the same codebase as version 24H2, the
newest Windows 11 feature update is also impacted.

What sort of problems can users experience?

Microsoft notes that the following dependent Shell components and
related services may fail and report an on-screen error or
silently fail to execute, such as the following:

• Explorer.exe crash
• shelhost.exe crash
• StartMenuExperienceHost issues
• System Settings silently fails to launch
• Application crashes when initializing the XAML views
• Explorer running but no taskbar window.
• other XAML island views fail to initialize.
• ImmersiveShell problems

Microsoft says that it is working on a fix but, for now, has
provided a couple of workarounds to deal with the issue. First,
Microsoft says that restarting the Shell Infrastructure host
(SIHost.exe) service will help restore the missing Immersive Shell
packages. This can be done with the following commands:

Wait, what? *Commands* you got to type in now, to fix problems on
Dimdows? No more point-and-click?

Second, a PowerShell logon script has been shared that essentially
blocks Explorer from launching prematurely until the required
packages are fully provisioned.

Wonderful, isn’t it? They got to add a hack to the system to work
around the steaming fetid pile of all the other hacks that are causing
the problem in the first place.

No way Windows could be considered a house of cards, could it? That
could fall over at the least little breath of wind. You can trust the
wellbeing of your entire company to this festering pile of excrement,
absolutely!

All of which is clearly the result of focusing all resources at Microsoft on "AI" nonsense, instead of the actual OS.

Like this one. The settings app in Windows 11 has become very complicated and
poorly organized. MS response? Add "AI" to it to help you find the setting you need.

And this one. Notepad used to be great, simple, no frills NOTEPAD. Now it is evolving into a retarded word processor with LOTS of "AI" shit/bloat Copilot nonsense that no one asked for. People are actually un-installing Notepad in Windows 11, which leaves the old, simple Notepad in Windows/System32.

The funny thing is that people use notepad so much because of how
frustrating they made Word to use, and now theres just not a no frills
editor by default i guess. At least paint isn't ruined (yet)

BTW, companies don't put up with this shit. That's why we have IT departments
who decide when to install any alleged "updates" to Windows. Where I work (a large global company with 65,000 employees) we are still running Windows 11 23H2 Enterprise Build 22631-6060.

I've gotten numerous emails from the tech department begging people to
upgrade to W11 because of the security risks from using W10, lol
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vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote at 16:17 this Sunday (GMT):

At Sun, 30 Nov 2025 13:52:07 +0000, Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 00:57:24 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

OF COURSE it is supported. This large global company would NOT be running an
unsupported version of Windows.

We typically get new laptops every 3 years, so it all works out just fine. >> >

A large, global company performs all of its computing tasks on "laptops?"

Ha, ha, ha, ha! Using a laptop is like viewing the Grand Canyon, or
any other wonder of the natural world, through a fucking soda straw.

All serious computer users will exclaim:

Give me a 27" monitor or give me death!

Most laptops have monitor ports.

Also, many laptops will plug into docks, which could have
monitors attached (as well as other features, such as Ethernet).

Also, there are a lot of laptops with enormous screens.
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On Nov 30, 2025 at 8:52:07 AM EST, "Diego Garcia" <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 00:57:24 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

OF COURSE it is supported. This large global company would NOT be running an >> unsupported version of Windows.

We typically get new laptops every 3 years, so it all works out just fine. >>

A large, global company performs all of its computing tasks on "laptops?"

Yes, dumbass. So we can EASILY take them home to work from home. Unlike the pile of shit on a shelf that you use.

Ha, ha, ha, ha! Using a laptop is like viewing the Grand Canyon, or
any other wonder of the natural world, through a fucking soda straw.

All serious computer users will exclaim:

Give me a 27" monitor or give me death!

We all have at least two 24" monitors at the office. Do you REALLY think that laptops can't drive multiple monitors?

GOD some people are stupid.
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2025 20:38:41 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

GOD some people are stupid.

Any company that would hire and retain Tyrone is not just stupid
but totally deranged.

Let us know the products produced therefrom so that we may purchase
elsewhere.


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On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 19:50:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

I've gotten numerous emails from the tech department begging people to upgrade to W11 because of the security risks from using W10, lol

More that a year ago IT got rid of the Win10 machines, either by retiring
them of upgrading to Win11. This wasn't the worst thing in the world since
a perfectly fine Win10 box trickled down to me for my Linux box and I got
a new Win11 box.

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On Nov 29, 2025 at 2:55:24 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10gfq4c$3opb5$1@dont-email.me>:

<https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-finally-admits-almost-all-major-windows-11-core-features-are-broken/>:

... the company in a new support article has admitted that there
are problems on almost every major Windows 11 core feature. The
issues are related to XAML and this impacts all the Shell
components like the Start Menu, Taskbar, Explorer, and Windows
Settings.

Interestingly, while Microsoft is only acknowledging the issue in
November 2025, this has been a problem since the July 2025 Patch
Tuesday update (KB5062553), so that is four months. Also since
Windows 11 25H2 shares the same codebase as version 24H2, the
newest Windows 11 feature update is also impacted.

What sort of problems can users experience?

Microsoft notes that the following dependent Shell components and
related services may fail and report an on-screen error or
silently fail to execute, such as the following:

• Explorer.exe crash
• shelhost.exe crash
• StartMenuExperienceHost issues
• System Settings silently fails to launch
• Application crashes when initializing the XAML views
• Explorer running but no taskbar window.
• other XAML island views fail to initialize.
• ImmersiveShell problems

Microsoft says that it is working on a fix but, for now, has
provided a couple of workarounds to deal with the issue. First,
Microsoft says that restarting the Shell Infrastructure host
(SIHost.exe) service will help restore the missing Immersive Shell
packages. This can be done with the following commands:

Wait, what? *Commands* you got to type in now, to fix problems on
Dimdows? No more point-and-click?

Second, a PowerShell logon script has been shared that essentially
blocks Explorer from launching prematurely until the required
packages are fully provisioned.

Wonderful, isn’t it? They got to add a hack to the system to work
around the steaming fetid pile of all the other hacks that are causing
the problem in the first place.

No way Windows could be considered a house of cards, could it? That
could fall over at the least little breath of wind. You can trust the wellbeing of your entire company to this festering pile of excrement, absolutely!

You act surprised that Windows has a shell.
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On 04 Dec 2025 02:36:56 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

You act surprised that Windows has a shell.

Apple and Microsoft have spent years, decades, conditioning their users to
be allergic to the command line.

Now, suddenly, Linux has made the command line cool again, and those two
are desperately trying to play catch-up.
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2025 20:38:41 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

On Nov 30, 2025 at 8:52:07 AM EST, "Diego Garcia" <dg@chaos.rocks>
wrote:

A large, global company performs all of its computing tasks on
"laptops?"

Yes, dumbass. So we can EASILY take them home to work from home.

Do you get paid overtime for that?
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On 12/13/25 5:05 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On 04 Dec 2025 02:36:56 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

You act surprised that Windows has a shell.

Apple and Microsoft have spent years, decades, conditioning their users to
be allergic to the command line.

Now, suddenly, Linux has made the command line cool again, and those two
are desperately trying to play catch-up.

I disagree, Microsoft's PowerShell is mighty, just probably under-utilized.
--
Joel W. Crump
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On 2025-12-13 5:05 a.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On 04 Dec 2025 02:36:56 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

You act surprised that Windows has a shell.

Apple and Microsoft have spent years, decades, conditioning their users to
be allergic to the command line.

Now, suddenly, Linux has made the command line cool again, and those two
are desperately trying to play catch-up.

And they're doing a wonderful job with it. PowerShell is spectacular if
you bother to learn how to use it, and you can do a good load of routine things in the Command Prompt. Winget, in particular, allows me to do
much of what I would use sudo apt update to do.

It sounds to me like you're upset that Windows now provides the same
benefits as Linux does without any of the compromises.
--
CrudeSausage
John 14:6
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On Dec 13, 2025 at 3:05:55 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10hjdq3$3tm78$1@dont-email.me>:

On 04 Dec 2025 02:36:56 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

You act surprised that Windows has a shell.

Apple and Microsoft have spent years, decades, conditioning their users to
be allergic to the command line.

How do you figure? I personally wanted a shell LONG before Apple included one.

<http://goo.gl/0wHM> Jul 18 1995 <3uh4b8$be3@news.nevada.edu>
-----
if DOS were a combo of UNIX and Mac it would be cool. I
just wish we had something that combined the two. In theory
that is the way both UNIX and Mac are growing
-----

<http://goo.gl/EDip> Jul 19 1995 <3ujt0s$535@news.nevada.edu>
-----
But UNIX does have some advantages over the Mac... a CLI
would be a great addition to the Mac. I would say that
between Mac and UNIX you have the best operating systems
around.
-----

<http://goo.gl/vrLf> Aug 10 1995 <40d96e$7ke@news.nevada.edu>
-----
The Mac is not the end all in computer technology. Where it
fails, UNIX excels. Between the two, there is almost no task
that computers would be used for that can not be done. And
one or the other will beat the competition in almost every
area.
-----

Now, suddenly, Linux has made the command line cool again, and those two
are desperately trying to play catch-up.

Suddenly? Linux / UNIX has always had a command line -- since long before
Apple or MS existed.
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On Dec 3, 2025 at 5:07:17 PM EST, "Diego Garcia" <dg@linux.rocks> wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2025 20:38:41 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

GOD some people are stupid.

Any company that would hire and retain Tyrone is not just stupid
but totally deranged.

LOL, good one.

Let us know the products produced therefrom so that we may purchase elsewhere.

You could not afford the products. They are business products, not toys for kiddies.
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On Dec 13, 2025 at 5:07:25 AM EST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2025 20:38:41 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

On Nov 30, 2025 at 8:52:07 AM EST, "Diego Garcia" <dg@chaos.rocks>
wrote:

A large, global company performs all of its computing tasks on
"laptops?"

Yes, dumbass. So we can EASILY take them home to work from home.

Do you get paid overtime for that?

Aw, that's so cute. You think I clock in and clock out?

Priceless.
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On Dec 13, 2025 at 5:05:55 AM EST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 04 Dec 2025 02:36:56 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

You act surprised that Windows has a shell.

Apple and Microsoft have spent years, decades, conditioning their users to
be allergic to the command line.

Now, suddenly, Linux has made the command line cool again, and those two
are desperately trying to play catch-up.

After 30 years, Linux has not "suddenly" done anything. The command line was never "cool". That you think it is speaks volumes about you.

The command line has always been there. Consumer OSes just don't need it very often.
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 22:34:14 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

Any company that would hire and retain Tyrone is not just stupid
but totally deranged.

LOL, good one.

Yes, it is very good. "Bullseye!" is the appropriate term.

Let us know the products produced therefrom so that we may purchase
elsewhere.

You could not afford the products. They are business products, not toys for kiddies.

Stupid Tyrone can only take the statement literally. But it is the metaphorical meaning which applies here.

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On 2025-12-13 5:37 p.m., Tyrone wrote:

On Dec 13, 2025 at 5:05:55 AM EST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 04 Dec 2025 02:36:56 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

You act surprised that Windows has a shell.

Apple and Microsoft have spent years, decades, conditioning their users to >> be allergic to the command line.

Now, suddenly, Linux has made the command line cool again, and those two
are desperately trying to play catch-up.

After 30 years, Linux has not "suddenly" done anything. The command line was never "cool". That you think it is speaks volumes about you.

The command line has always been there. Consumer OSes just don't need it very often.

I'll be the first to admit that I like the command line and prefer to do things like rename or edit files from within one. However, no modern
operating system absolutely needs to have one. Either way, what Windows
offers the users now is quite stellar.
--
CrudeSausage
John 14:6
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 22:34:48 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

On Dec 13, 2025 at 5:07:25 AM EST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro"
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2025 20:38:41 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

On Nov 30, 2025 at 8:52:07 AM EST, "Diego Garcia" <dg@chaos.rocks>
wrote:

A large, global company performs all of its computing tasks on
"laptops?"

Yes, dumbass. So we can EASILY take them home to work from home.

Do you get paid overtime for that?

Aw, that's so cute. You think I clock in and clock out?

That’s a “no”, then. Who’s the “dumbass” being conned into doing extra
work for their employer for no extra pay?
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 22:34:14 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

You could not afford the products. They are business products, not toys
for kiddies.

Let me guess: you sell the usual kind of nickel-and-dime-charge-for-
everything product, where the basic licence, expensive as it is, doesn’t actually include many (if any) CALs for connecting actual clients. And
like SAP, you charge extra for every app the customer might develop that connects to your server.
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 22:37:40 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

After 30 years, Linux has not "suddenly" done anything. The command line
was never "cool".

Sure it isn’t. And Microsoft isn’t spending lots of effort to add better command-line support to Windows -- a better CLI, a better terminal, a
better text editor -- it is doing none of these things. And it is not
making them Open Source, either.
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On 13 Dec 2025 21:35:40 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Dec 13, 2025 at 3:05:55 AM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10hjdq3$3tm78$1@dont-email.me>:

Now, suddenly, Linux has made the command line cool again, and those
two are desperately trying to play catch-up.

Suddenly? Linux / UNIX has always had a command line -- since long
before Apple or MS existed.

Correct. And that was always seen by Microsoft and Apple users as
something scary and complicated, to be avoided, pretty much at all costs,
in favour of point-and-click ways of doing things. And those platform
owners happily encouraged such a mentality ... up until recently.

How else to describe the change in viewpoint as “sudden”?
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 18:22:38 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

I'll be the first to admit that I like the command line and prefer to do things like rename or edit files from within one. However, no modern operating system absolutely needs to have one. Either way, what Windows offers the users now is quite stellar.

If there is a way to add udev rules and access udevadm via a GUI I don't
know it. I've also had a machine which did not select the proper screen resolution nor was the resolution an available option in the GUI. xrandr
to the rescue.

In some cases if you're working with multiple DEs something like nmcli is
a uniform approach rather than hunting down where that particular DE
stuffs the relevant GUI.

I've also come to prefer arduino-cli. The Arduino IDE doesn't add much to
the editing process that Vim can't be configured to do and has the habit
of spawning a new GUI every time you do something.

On windows the cli allows me to view and manipulate files Windows would
prefer I didn't know about like all the stuff under \Users\foobar.
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