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badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:50:47 -0000 (UTC) :

AirTags are the standard tracking device right now. The Android version
still has a long way to go.

https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/google-pixel-phones/an-unofficial-test-compared-apples-airtags-against-googles-find-my-device-heres-which-tracker-won

Hi badgolferman,

Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.

I think you misunderstood what I said, and what I had asked, as I don't
doubt the Apple customers fall for every marketing gimmick in the book.

There's a huge difference between MARKETING & TECHNOLOGY.
Apple can't innovate - but boy oh boy - can Apple market that they do!

Never forget the difference please.
Apple has a gullible herd following that rivals that of Marlboro.

Marlboro sold Virginia Slims, remember - to gullible herd animals.
Having gullible herd followings does not make the technology better.

Even the "bold new colors" sell like hotcakes to Apple herd animals.

But if you're going to tell me that "yellow phones" are an innovation that Android doesn't have, simply because Apple sells more yellow phones to its gullible herds, I'm going to push back on you for technology reasons.

Remember, I never said Apple doesn't have the finest MARKETING in the
world. What I said was Apple's R&D is the worst in terms of spending.

As a result, Apple can't innovate.
But man oh man... can Apple market.

So just the fact that billions of gullible Apple owners fall prey to Apple marketing - like sheep led to slaughter - doesn't mean the technology has "leapfrogged" anyone.

What's technologically better between the three airtags anyway?
a. Apple (which came out in April 2021)
b. Samsung (which came out at exactly the same time)
c. Google (which is late to the game)

I bet you don't know the answer.

Notice if you don't know the answer, you are falling prey to Apple
marketing because having billions of gullible idiots isn't technology.

It's marketing.
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-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:35 -0400 :

On the contrary, the evidence is in the lack of news/drama when it comes
to product as deployed - the classical "it just works".

While I'm well aware of the genius of Apple's lies of "It just works",
let's teset that out, shall we?

1. I installed an app on iOS & Android long ago
2. It's no longer in the App Store on either platform
3. Which of the two platforms "just works" when I want to migrate
that previously installed app onto any number of new devices?

Hint: The Apple ecosystem never "just works".

Let's test it again, but with a different set of common conditions:
a. I want to have anonymity when using a web browser
b. So I choose the canonical well-supported respected Tor Browser
c. On which of the two platforms does the Tor browser "just work"?

Hint: The Apple ecosystem almost never "just works".

Do you want me to give you scores of similar examples, from system-wide firewalls to deleting apps to changing icon names to organizing your
homescreen how YOU want it (e.g., with app icons in multiple folders), to running non-Google Chrome variants, to running graphical Wi-Fi and cellular debuggers, etc.

HINT: The Apple ecosystem almost never "just works".

If you think it does, that simply proves how gullible you are to Apple's admittedly brilliant advertising. Almost nothing "just works" on iOS.

It's classic for Dunning-Kruger people far to the left of Mount Stupid to
claim a strongly held opinion they can't back up with even a single fact.

Q: Name a single thing that the iPhone does that's better than Android?
A: (we'll wait)

See: "It just works". The ramifications of this as a developmental discipline is to have V&V of new technologies *prior* to them being
sold, to make sure that they're actually work, reliably, in real world fielded applications. A concrete example of this is *not* adopting a folding display screen that then subsequently fails/degrades in the
hands of customers.

And of course, Apple isn't perfectly infallible, for we can cite the 'butterfly' keyboard failures as an illustration of a mistake made: the
key thing is to have a corporate culture which minimizes the risks of repeating of prior mistakes - which is indicative of why we've had to
refer to a failure in design from 2015 .. nearly a full decade ago.

The fact that you believe it just works is proof alone that you know
absolutely nothing of how every other operating system works, hh.

Seriously.
Who is that gullible?

If you turn off the Internet, and if you don't log into Cupertino's servers every moment of your life, nothing you love about the walled garden works.

Yet, with EVERY other operating system NOT Apple, it still works.
Only Apple operating systems require a login to the mother ship to work.

You really have no business in an adult conversation other than to prove
how fantastically gullible the Apple customer is to brilliant marketing.
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-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:06:21 -0400 :

But if that were true, then Apple would have gone totally out of
business a decade ago, due to non-delivery and Reversion to the Mean.

What you need to understand is that MARKETING is what Apple does best.
Not innovation.
Marketing.

Just like marketing is what coca cola does. And Marlboro. And Chevron.
You think "Virginia Slims" were innovation?
Or New Coke?

Apple is all marketing and almost no R&D.
It's how Apple makes their money.

None of the big marketing companies make a better product.
But all of them spend way more in marketing than anyone else.

And as a result, all of them are highly profitable companies.
Because they sell their inferior product to gullible clueless people.

Like you are.

Nobody spends more in advertising than Apple & less than Apple in R&D.
It's a strategy that works as Apple is a highly profitable company.

There's a reason the iPhone is always five to ten years behind Android.
And why the iPhone always has far more active exploits than Android too.
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Chris wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 07:29:01 -0000 (UTC) :

Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.

And yet you don't acknowledge that badgolferman has come up with a good example.

I'm going to converse with you as if you own normal adult cognition, OK?

Look again. I told badgolferman right away that he was the only one who suggested *anything* that the iPhone "leapfrogged" Android. I feted him.

However, I also note that AirTags are NOT an iPhone feature; so we're still waiting for even a single iPhone feature that leapfrogged that of Android.

Prior to AirTags the market leader was Tile. Now Tile are struggling to be relevant. The android solutions are desperate to join Apple's Find My network.

As I said I would be happy to find an iPhone feature that "leapfrogged" an Android feature, instead of the iPhone being 5 to 10 years behind Android.

Since none of you can come up with even a single iPhone feature, that means
a. All of you have a strongly held belief system based on zero facts
b. Which is the definition of religious zealots (not sensible people)

I think you misunderstood what I said

Everyone understands your one-sided, factless rhetoric.

I wonder if you strange people realize not a single one of you can come up
with even a single iPhone feature that "leapfrogged" Android recently.

Do you realize all of you prove my point?
a. Each of you have a strongly held belief iPhones leapfrogged Android.
b. And yet, none of you can name a SINGLE feature that the iPhone did that.

Q: Name a single iPhone feature that you believe "leapfrogged" Android.
A: ?
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Andrew wrote:

However, I also note that AirTags are NOT an iPhone feature; so we're
still waiting for even a single iPhone feature that leapfrogged that
of Android.

AirTags are a hardware function of the iPhone feature FindMy. It is
because of FindMy that AirTags have become the standard among trackers.
As the document I provided shows, Apple's (iPhone) FindMy network is
far more robust than the Android Find My Device network for now.
Undoubtedly Google will get it sorted out at some time.

This is sort of a double-edged advantage though. Trackers are
considered anathema to those who value privacy. For iPhones to have an advantage in something which devalues privacy is somewhat ironic.
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-hh wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:46:05 -0400 :

nds more on R&D than all but three companies.

Plus Apple clearly does a lot of "Make or Buy" business assessments to decide on where to prioritize their R&D investments. This leads us back
to his belief that no one company can be successful unless they
personally invent and make every last component totally in-house, which
is totally absurd and followed by literally no one. Likewise, his
apparent belief (also quite absurd) that every S&T project is always and immediately fully successful as originally envisioned.

Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs, which is why even
his attempts to worship Android fall far short of this vision, as illustrated by how Android handset manufacturers *also* have had to outsource their modem chips to Qualcomm rather than to invent & fab them in-house like he's trying to ask of Apple. Yeah, hypocritical.

As I said, it shows that "Andrew" has never professionally worked on any technological development efforts ... except perhaps as their janitor.

An adult would prove me wrong - but a child acts like hh just did above.

The fact remains that nobody in high tech spends less than Apple on R&D as
a percentage of revenue - and - plenty of phone companies spend more even though none are anywhere near the size of Apple in terms of total revenue.

Alan Baker cannot dispute that fact because it's a well known fact.

It's that lack of R&D that explains why Apple is five to ten years behind Android technology - which - if you want to disprove - all you have to do
is list what iPhone technology is better than similar Android technology.

HINT: It's just as absurd to claim that AirTags are exclusively iPhone technology as it would be to claim that Tiles are exclusively Android.

Name a *single* exclusively iPhone technology that Apple has innovated upon
in the past five or ten years that is better than the equivalent Android.

Hint: You can't.

Why not?
Because Apple doesn't invest in R&D; Apple is all about marketing.

Prove me wrong.
That's what an adult would do.
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Chris wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 18:31:21 -0000 (UTC) :

However, I also note that AirTags are NOT an iPhone feature; so we're still >> waiting for even a single iPhone feature that leapfrogged that of Android.

badgolfernan has already convinced of your misconception so I'll refer you
to him.

While I don't have to dumb down the messaging when I converse with badgolferman, for you I'll summarize we badgolferman & I currently stand:
1. Apple UWB trackers (Android has them also)
2. Apple Wallet/Pay systems (Android has them also)
3. Apple Emergency Satellite messaging (not yet available on Android)
4. In-person store one-on-one free customer support

Of those four items where Apple is clearly more successful, only the latter
two are missing on Android, although Google is planning on shipping the satellite phone feature (free for two years, just like Apple has done).

However, the point isn't whether or not Apple is slightly more successful because if we wanted to go that route, we'd start comparing Siri to Google Assistant or Apple Maps to Google Maps or Or Apple's App Store to Google's
App Store. Or Apple's CarPlay to Android Auto. Or we could even dive deeper into the weeds comparing any number of millions of apps such as NewsTap to GroundHog newsreaders - so we need to be careful to not just compare stuff
we like better but which is on both platforms.

What we want to find is something that is on Apple that is NOT on Android.

Q: Name a single iPhone feature that you believe "leapfrogged" Android.
A: ?

To repeat as you ignored it last time: AirPods (+ Pros) and FaceID. Android equivalents for the airpods have since caught up, mostly, but not FaceID.

Unfortunately for you, for you to claim FaceID is anything but a (rather brilliant) mere marketing gimmick is not going to sit well with me, since I
am well aware why Apple customers *need* such a gimmick which is not secure
but which is easy - which is because the iPhone is designed as a dumb
terminal which is always logged into Cupertino servers such that Apple
needs you to lock your phone more than you need to lock your phone.

I realize most Apple owners live in the slums, and that most Apple owners
alive in abject fear of the people around them - and they quake with fear
when their wives or children or friends or neighbors are anywhere near
their iPhone, but a "normal" person does not live in abject fear.

For example, I don't have a lock on my phone and my data is far more secure than if it were on any iPhone ever designed - so just be advised that
telling me you fell for the oldest marketing gimmick in the book doesn't
bode well for you in that FaceID is a garbage gimmick for gullible iSheep.

Besides, even Android has the same garbage gimmick.

There's also the Automation/ShortCuts feature which doesn't have an equivalent in android and includes the Geofencing functionality which you lauded didn't exist.

This is absurd. The automation on Android far surpasses anything on Apple.
I'm not even going to go there as you're desperate at this point.

Plus iphone security is currently uncrackable by the popular cracking tool used by both law enforcement and others willing to pay the high fees: https://www.techspot.com/news/103880-cellebrite-tools-cant-crack-iphones-running-ios-174.html

Jesus Christ. You fall for every marketing gimmick in the book, Chris.
Do you know the iPhone is far more exploited than Android, Chris?
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Do you realize that Android security for dozens of core modules is updated monthly for every Android 10 device on the Internet while iOS is not?

Do you even realize that Pegasus often infects the iOS kernel and yet it
has NEVER been able to infect the Android kernel, Chris.

C'mon. You're grasping at straws by throwing marketing bullshit at us.
The fact is no phone is less secure than an Apple iPhone, Chris.

Android doesn't fare quite so well. For example, the Trump shooter had his Samsung phone cracked: https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/techandscience/the-fbi-got-into-the-trump-rally-shooter-s-phone-in-just-40-minutes/ar-BB1qhMgY

The iPhone is the most exploited smartphone in history, Chris.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

There are three times as many zero-day holes in iOS than in Android too.

The fact you take a single case and try to make your entire point about
that one case shows how desperate you are to make a point that isn't valid.
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Jolly Roger wrote on 24 Jul 2024 00:04:05 GMT :

Pegasus targets high value individuals. *That's* why it doesn't target
android ;)

He's lying anyway. Pegasus absolutely does get into Android devices:

https://www.androidauthority.com/pegasus-spyware-1646458/
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Once it has secretly infected a smartphone (Android or iOS), it can turn
the device into a fully-fledged surveillance device. SMS messages,
emails, WhatsApp messages, iMessages, and more, are all open for reading
and copying. It can record incoming and outgoing calls, as well as steal
all the photos on the device. Plus it can activate the microphone and/or
the camera and record what is being said. When you combine that with the potential to access past and present location data, it is clear that
those listening at the other end know almost everything there is to know about anyone that is targeted.

There's a reason I assess the iKooks as low-IQ, uneducated & ignorant.

It's no longer surprising Apple's zealots don't know what a kernel is.
<https://info.lookout.com/rs/051-ESQ-475/images/pegasus-exploits-technical-details.pdf>

Pegasus constantly infects the (sophomorically written) iOS kernel.
Pegasus has *never* even once infected the well-written Android kernel.
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