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In article <uv0v7l$3i0l6$1@dont-email.me>, <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote: ...

An immediate fallacious ad hominem no doubt in order to prop up whatever >straw men follow.

When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:20:57 -0000 (UTC)
gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:

In article <uv0v7l$3i0l6$1@dont-email.me>, <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote: >....

An immediate fallacious ad hominem no doubt in order to prop up whatever >>straw men follow.

When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.

Thats fine, I'll keep watching you lot dig your holes while I stand at the side.


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In article <20240408122937.339@kylheku.com>,
Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wrote:
...

You wrote, "people like you ... would never use a male pronoun if
talking about nurses", written by you, is already ad hominem;
it's a direct accusation of hypocrisy, rather than focusing on the
argument content.

If you can't handle the ad-hominem ball returned to your court,
don't serve it!

We'd all be better off if nobody ever used the phrase 'ad hominem' ever
again on Usenet.

This also goes for the rest of those fancy Latin phrases that people use to argue about arguing.
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On 08.04.2024 21:44, Kenny McCormack wrote:

In article <20240408122937.339@kylheku.com>,
Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wrote:
...

You wrote, "people like you ... would never use a male pronoun if
talking about nurses", written by you, is already ad hominem;
it's a direct accusation of hypocrisy, rather than focusing on the
argument content.

If you can't handle the ad-hominem ball returned to your court,
don't serve it!

We'd all be better off if nobody ever used the phrase 'ad hominem' ever
again on Usenet.

This also goes for the rest of those fancy Latin phrases that people use to argue about arguing.

Id est, exempli gratia, focussing on the argument per se, as
Kaz sensibly suggested. :-)

(It's good that in English most of the Latin is hidden behind
abbreviations like i.e. and e.g.; but there's no abbreviation
for "per se"? Probably because p.s. is already occupied?)

Janis

PS: Of course I disagree for the "banning phrases" suggestion.
Pointing out (in whatever way) to stay on the argument is fine.

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On Tue, 9 Apr 2024, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 08.04.2024 21:44, Kenny McCormack wrote:

In article <20240408122937.339@kylheku.com>,
Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wrote:
...

You wrote, "people like you ... would never use a male pronoun if
talking about nurses", written by you, is already ad hominem;
it's a direct accusation of hypocrisy, rather than focusing on the
argument content.

If you can't handle the ad-hominem ball returned to your court,
don't serve it!

We'd all be better off if nobody ever used the phrase 'ad hominem' ever
again on Usenet.

This also goes for the rest of those fancy Latin phrases that people use to >> argue about arguing.

Id est, exempli gratia, focussing on the argument per se, as
Kaz sensibly suggested. :-)

(It's good that in English most of the Latin is hidden behind
abbreviations like i.e. and e.g.; but there's no abbreviation
for "per se"? Probably because p.s. is already occupied?)

Janis

PS: Of course I disagree for the "banning phrases" suggestion.
Pointing out (in whatever way) to stay on the argument is fine.

In todays day and world, it is not very difficult to look up phrases such
as ad hominem. I do it from time to time. I learn something by doing that,
and should thank the other person for bringing it to my attention.

Then, the next time I encounter it, I do not have to look it up again.
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Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote at 07:24 this Tuesday (GMT):

On 08.04.2024 21:44, Kenny McCormack wrote:

In article <20240408122937.339@kylheku.com>,
Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wrote:
...

You wrote, "people like you ... would never use a male pronoun if
talking about nurses", written by you, is already ad hominem;
it's a direct accusation of hypocrisy, rather than focusing on the
argument content.

If you can't handle the ad-hominem ball returned to your court,
don't serve it!

We'd all be better off if nobody ever used the phrase 'ad hominem' ever
again on Usenet.

This also goes for the rest of those fancy Latin phrases that people use to >> argue about arguing.

Id est, exempli gratia, focussing on the argument per se, as
Kaz sensibly suggested. :-)

(It's good that in English most of the Latin is hidden behind
abbreviations like i.e. and e.g.; but there's no abbreviation
for "per se"? Probably because p.s. is already occupied?)

Janis

I think it might be because per se is so short.

PS: Of course I disagree for the "banning phrases" suggestion.
Pointing out (in whatever way) to stay on the argument is fine.

It's a tricky subject.
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On 09.04.2024 17:30, candycanearter07 wrote:

Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote at 07:24 this Tuesday (GMT):

Id est, exempli gratia, focussing on the argument per se, as
Kaz sensibly suggested. :-)

(It's good that in English most of the Latin is hidden behind
abbreviations like i.e. and e.g.; but there's no abbreviation
for "per se"? Probably because p.s. is already occupied?)

I think it might be because per se is so short.

Not shorter than "id est". ;-)

Janis

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Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote at 19:48 this Tuesday (GMT):

On 09.04.2024 17:30, candycanearter07 wrote:

Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote at 07:24 this Tuesday (GMT):

Id est, exempli gratia, focussing on the argument per se, as
Kaz sensibly suggested. :-)

(It's good that in English most of the Latin is hidden behind
abbreviations like i.e. and e.g.; but there's no abbreviation
for "per se"? Probably because p.s. is already occupied?)

I think it might be because per se is so short.

Not shorter than "id est". ;-)

Janis

Fair, I have no idea then.
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 21:48:35 +0200, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 09.04.2024 17:30, candycanearter07 wrote:

I think it might be because per se is so short.

Not shorter than "id est". ;-)

“Viz.” is apparently short for “videlicet”.

Go figure.

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On 10/04/2024 at 01:31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 21:48:35 +0200, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 09.04.2024 17:30, candycanearter07 wrote:

I think it might be because per se is so short.

Not shorter than "id est". ;-)

“Viz.” is apparently short for “videlicet”.

Go figure.

Viz is a comic really.
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:31 this Wednesday (GMT):

On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 21:48:35 +0200, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 09.04.2024 17:30, candycanearter07 wrote:

I think it might be because per se is so short.

Not shorter than "id est". ;-)

“Viz.” is apparently short for “videlicet”.

Go figure.

Huh, I don't think I've heard of that one.
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