numbers inThe question is about "numeral", not "number".
When Alfred Bester, in /The Demolished Man/,spelled "Quartermaine" as
"1/4maine", or when Prince wrote "I Would Die 4 U" and "Nothing Compares
2 U", they playfully used numerals to spell words. There are no
sight, but those are still numerals.
Latin (and ancient Greek and Hebrew) used letters as numerals. They're
numerals when they represent numbers, and that's true even if the number
represents something else, such as a word that sounds like the number.
isn'tAccording to Wikipedia, the origin of the "XIIII" in "Vilain XIIII"
to anknown, though in the two theories it mentions, it's a number (the
fourteenth quarter of somebody's escutcheon, or fourteen acres given
illegitimate son), not some word that sounds like [katorz]. But "XIIII"
is a numeral there because it refers to "quatorze", whether or not
"quatorze" refers in turn to something other than 14.
It is called by name, not by value,
"The numerical notation of 4 is IV in Roman numerals. You probably think
so, too. However, there are many cases where IIII is used at the 4:00 position on the dial plates of clocks that use Roman numerals."
Brought to you by the Seiko museum.
https://museum.seiko.co.jp/en/knowledge/trivia02/
I met Wirth only once, and of course he told the story that Europeans
called him by name and Americans called him by value.
---------- This quip was familiar to me, 30+ years ago.
(lambda() (Thunks (for reminding me!)))
"The numerical notation of 4 is IV in Roman numerals. You probably think
so, too. However, there are many cases where IIII is used at the 4:00 position on the dial plates of clocks that use Roman numerals."
Brought to you by the Seiko museum.
https://museum.seiko.co.jp/en/knowledge/trivia02/
ComparesThe question is about "numeral", not "number".
When Alfred Bester, in /The Demolished Man/,spelled "Quartermaine" as
"1/4maine", or when Prince wrote "I Would Die 4 U" and "Nothing
2 U", they playfully used numerals to spell words. There are no numbers in
sight, but those are still numerals.
numberLatin (and ancient Greek and Hebrew) used letters as numerals. They're
numerals when they represent numbers, and that's true even if the
represents something else, such as a word that sounds like the number.
to anAccording to Wikipedia, the origin of the "XIIII" in "Vilain XIIII" isn't
known, though in the two theories it mentions, it's a number (the
fourteenth quarter of somebody's escutcheon, or fourteen acres given
illegitimate son), not some word that sounds like [katorz]. But "XIIII"
is a numeral there because it refers to "quatorze", whether or not
"quatorze" refers in turn to something other than 14.
It is called by name, not by value,
HenHanna wrote:
I met Wirth only once, and of course he told the story that Europeans
called him by name and Americans called him by value.
---------- This quip was familiar to me, 30+ years ago.
(lambda() (Thunks (for reminding me!)))
"The numerical notation of 4 is IV in Roman numerals. You probably think
so, too. However, there are many cases where IIII is used at the 4:00 >> position on the dial plates of clocks that use Roman numerals."
Brought to you by the Seiko museum.
https://museum.seiko.co.jp/en/knowledge/trivia02/
ComparesThe question is about "numeral", not "number".
;
When Alfred Bester, in /The Demolished Man/,spelled "Quartermaine" as >> >> "1/4maine", or when Prince wrote "I Would Die 4 U" and "Nothing
numbers in2 U", they playfully used numerals to spell words. There are no
sight, but those are still numerals.
;
They'reLatin (and ancient Greek and Hebrew) used letters as numerals.
numbernumerals when they represent numbers, and that's true even if the
number.represents something else, such as a word that sounds like the
XIIII" isn'tAccording to Wikipedia, the origin of the "XIIII" in "Vilain
given to anknown, though in the two theories it mentions, it's a number (the
fourteenth quarter of somebody's escutcheon, or fourteen acres
"XIIII"illegitimate son), not some word that sounds like [katorz]. But
is a numeral there because it refers to "quatorze", whether or not
"quatorze" refers in turn to something other than 14.
It is called by name, not by value,
The Romans wrote their supreme deity's name as "IVPPITER". Perhaps "IV"
on a sundial seemed rather blasphemous.
Ed
On 20/03/2024 10:43, Ed Cryer wrote:
HenHanna wrote:
I met Wirth only once, and of course he told the story that Europeans
called him by name and Americans called him by value.
---------- This quip was familiar to me, 30+ years ago.
(lambda() (Thunks (for reminding me!)))
"The numerical notation of 4 is IV in Roman numerals. You probably think >>> so, too. However, there are many cases where IIII is used at the 4:00 >>> position on the dial plates of clocks that use Roman numerals."
Brought to you by the Seiko museum. >>> https://museum.seiko.co.jp/en/knowledge/trivia02/
ComparesThe question is about "numeral", not "number".
;
When Alfred Bester, in /The Demolished Man/,spelled "Quartermaine" as >>> >> "1/4maine", or when Prince wrote "I Would Die 4 U" and "Nothing
numbers in2 U", they playfully used numerals to spell words. There are no
sight, but those are still numerals.
;
They'reLatin (and ancient Greek and Hebrew) used letters as numerals.
numbernumerals when they represent numbers, and that's true even if the
number.represents something else, such as a word that sounds like the
XIIII" isn'tAccording to Wikipedia, the origin of the "XIIII" in "Vilain
given to anknown, though in the two theories it mentions, it's a number (the
fourteenth quarter of somebody's escutcheon, or fourteen acres
"XIIII"illegitimate son), not some word that sounds like [katorz]. But
is a numeral there because it refers to "quatorze", whether or not
"quatorze" refers in turn to something other than 14.
It is called by name, not by value,
The Romans wrote their supreme deity's name as "IVPPITER". Perhaps "IV"
on a sundial seemed rather blasphemous.
Ed
Ancient texts give "iiij" with the "j" meaning ending symbol but
functioning as "i". The notation "IV" is more modern.
On 20/03/2024 10:43, Ed Cryer wrote:
The Romans wrote their supreme deity's name as "IVPPITER". Perhaps
"IV" on a sundial seemed rather blasphemous.
Ancient texts give "iiij" with the "j" meaning ending symbol but
functioning as "i". The notation "IV" is more modern.
When Alfred Bester, in /The Demolished Man/,spelled "Quartermaine" as
"1/4maine" ...
When Alfred Bester, in /The Demolished Man/,spelled "Quartermaine" as
"1/4maine" ...
That one was easy to decipher. Another one was “@kins”, also “T8”. But I
got stymied by “$$on”.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
When Alfred Bester, in /The Demolished Man/,spelled "Quartermaine" as >>>>> "1/4maine" ...
That one was easy to decipher. Another one was “@kins”, also “T8”. But I
got stymied by “$$on”.
Another easy one was "Wyg&".
According to
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/213/versions-of-the-demolished-man
some printings after the original serialization in /Galaxy/ regularized some or all
of those names. My Science Fiction Book Club edition has "Tate", not "T8".
I don't know what "$$on" might be. There's a not very common surname "Buckson", and a rare one "Buxon". if you're interested, you could tell me where "$$on" occurs and I could see what's there in my edition.
Never mind, it was supposed to be "Jackson". Pretty obscure.
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