• apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and com.lang.fortran are nowread only at google groups

    From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Tue Oct 31 17:32:11 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Lynn
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  • From Jeff Ryman@rymanjc@outlook.com to comp.lang.fortran on Tue Oct 31 16:12:15 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    I have switched to www.i2pn2.org for comp.lang.fortran using the Agent
    v8.0 newsreader. Seems to be working ok for now.

    I wish google groups would delete all the obvious spam in the Thai
    language as well as making the group read only.
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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@spibou@gmail.com to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 02:09:33 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Same as comp.lang.c as has been mentioned elsewhere (<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> for example). Good. I wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have some employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per
    several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have acted much sooner.
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  • From George Neuner@gneuner2@comcast.net to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Tue Oct 31 22:31:18 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Lynn

    You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also facilitates in order to promote its own group services?
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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 03:15:56 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    In article <a1e3kihl2o606a97g3746247qurdl0alfm@4ax.com>,
    George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read >>only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Lynn

    You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also >facilitates in order to promote its own group services?

    Apt way of putting it!
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen Today is not tomorrow, and this world provides no guarantees. -unknown https://mindspring.com
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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 03:16:56 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    In article <7Zt5DHW8FTpPHEedl@bongo-ra.co>,
    Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Same as comp.lang.c as has been mentioned elsewhere >(<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> for example). Good. I >wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and >automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have some >employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per >several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are >working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have acted much >sooner.

    The depeering of Google Groups will be the ultimate act of mercy!
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen Today is not tomorrow, and this world provides no guarantees. -unknown https://mindspring.com
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  • From candycanearter07@no@thanks.net to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,comp.lang.fortran on Tue Oct 31 22:28:11 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 10/31/23 21:09, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Same as comp.lang.c as has been mentioned elsewhere (<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> for example). Good. I wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have some employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have acted much sooner.

    Bad actors ruining legitimate experience because of a half-assed
    solution, a tale as old as time.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 03:36:42 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    In article <uhsgkc$1a99v$2@dont-email.me>,
    candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
    On 10/31/23 21:09, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Same as comp.lang.c as has been mentioned elsewhere
    (<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> for example). Good. I >> wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and
    automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have some
    employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per
    several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are
    working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have acted much >> sooner.

    Bad actors ruining legitimate experience because of a half-assed
    solution, a tale as old as time.

    Annd Google is the biggest bad actor out there!

    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen Today is not tomorrow, and this world provides no guarantees. -unknown https://mindspring.com
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  • From John Levine@johnl@taugh.com to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 10:55:06 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    According to George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>:
    Lynn

    You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also >facilitates in order to promote its own group services?

    I think you vastly overestimate how much anyone at Google cares about Groups. The whole thing has been on autopilot for years, it can't possibly be making them enough money to deal with the hassle.

    FWIW I get plenty of spam directly from Groups when people yet again load
    up a spam list and blast out mail in languages I cannot read.
    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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  • From Joe Pfeiffer@pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 06:40:05 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai
    characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
    awful that it's necessary).

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  • From John Levine@johnl@taugh.com to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 13:03:14 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.
    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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  • From George Neuner@gneuner2@comcast.net to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 09:06:44 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 10:55:06 -0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
    wrote:

    According to George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>:
    Lynn

    You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also >>facilitates in order to promote its own group services?

    I think you vastly overestimate how much anyone at Google cares about Groups. >The whole thing has been on autopilot for years, it can't possibly be making >them enough money to deal with the hassle.

    Maybe. But remember that Google trades in eyeballs ... the money, in
    some sense, is secondary.


    "group" is overloaded.

    Google Groups (GG) is a unified interface that provides access to
    Usenet, public mailing lists, and to Google's own group services.

    But there is a substantial difference: Google offers spam filtering to
    its own groups, while denying it to others.


    FWIW I get plenty of spam directly from Groups when people yet again load
    up a spam list and blast out mail in languages I cannot read.

    Sure it can happen.

    GG's spam filtering has to be opted into by the group administrator.
    However, there is no way provided for an outside group to do that, so
    even those non-Google Usenet groups and mailing lists that /have/
    living administrators have no way to opt into Google's spam filtering.

    Also, my experience with GG has been that its spam filtering only
    checks posts made via email (the "list" interface). It seems that
    posts made directly via the web UI are checked only for abusive
    language (and then only in English), and once accepted they can be
    removed only by the group adminstrator or via user complaints.


    The major point here is that Google provides (some semblence of) spam
    filtering - but only for its own groups.

    YMMV.
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  • From Jakob Bohm@jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 14:16:55 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 2023-11-01 03:09, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Same as comp.lang.c as has been mentioned elsewhere (<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> for example). Good. I wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have some employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have acted much sooner.


    Looking at some of the GSpam, I just noticed that GG helpfully adds a
    header indicating the spammer's IP, perhaps someone with copies of the
    GSpam from recent weeks can see if there is a pattern that can be used
    for filtering more specific than just blocking GG.

    Enjoy

    Jakob
    --
    Jakob Bohm, CIO, Partner, WiseMo A/S. https://www.wisemo.com
    Transformervej 29, 2860 Søborg, Denmark. Direct +45 31 13 16 10
    This public discussion message is non-binding and may contain errors.
    WiseMo - Remote Service Management for PCs, Phones and Embedded
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  • From John Levine@johnl@taugh.com to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 13:47:43 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    It appears that George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> said:
    The major point here is that Google provides (some semblence of) spam >filtering - but only for its own groups.

    This is completely consistent with it being on autopilot. Someone
    built the spam filter for their own groups, nobody got around to
    making it work with usenet. I can easily imagine them saying there's
    so much garbage in usenet from other places, what difference would
    it make?

    As the old saw reminds us, don't assume malice until you've ruled out incompetence.
    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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  • From Joe Pfeiffer@pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 12:14:54 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?
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  • From Joe Pfeiffer@pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 14:19:19 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

    Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

    But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.
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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 14:26:09 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 11/1/2023 1:24 PM, Retro Guy wrote:
    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 14:19:19 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now >>>>>>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

    Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

    But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.

    You can post from anywhere you want that carries the group, you just
    can't post from google groups


    We can still use google groups for some searching purposes. Remember
    when they, Google, tried to outright ban comp.lang.c a while back? Not
    even able to read it...
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  • From Stephen Fuld@sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 14:31:12 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 11/1/2023 1:19 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
    Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now >>>>>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

    Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

    But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.

    There has been some confusion in this thread recently. Anyone with an
    account can read and post messages using Eternal September. The "read
    only" is apparently just Google Groups. That is, anyone can read any
    article through Google Groups, but no one can post new articles nor
    replies to the group using Google Groups.
    --
    - Stephen Fuld
    (e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)

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  • From Jack@invalid@invalid.net to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran,comp.lang.c on Wed Nov 1 22:55:52 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 01/11/2023 21:31, Stephen Fuld wrote:

    There has been some confusion in this thread recently.  Anyone with an account can read and post messages using Eternal September.  The "read
    only" is apparently just Google Groups. That is, anyone can read any
    article through Google Groups, but no one can post new articles nor
    replies to the group using Google Groups.




    There is another server called "paganini.bofh.team". You don't need an
    account but spam is not allowed. People abusing the server will have
    their IP address blocked.



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  • From Joe Pfeiffer@pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 17:22:01 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> writes:

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 14:19:19 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

    Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

    But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.

    You can post from anywhere you want that carries the group, you just
    can't post from google groups

    Ah, OK. When I originally posted that I was reading from e-s, it was
    pointed out to me that I couldn't post. Which seemed very odd, under the circumstances.
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  • From red floyd@no.spam.here@its.invalid to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Wed Nov 1 22:05:06 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 11/1/2023 5:40 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
    awful that it's necessary).


    Anybody know can you do that blocking with Thunderbird?

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  • From David Brown@david.brown@hesbynett.no to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Thu Nov 2 09:07:31 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 02/11/2023 06:05, red floyd wrote:
    On 11/1/2023 5:40 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai
    characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
    awful that it's necessary).


    Anybody know can you do that blocking with Thunderbird?


    There is now no need (at least in these groups). All the spam came
    through Google's service, and they have blocked posting.


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  • From wolfgang kern@nowhere@never.at to comp.lang.c++,comp.arch,comp.lang.fortran on Fri Nov 3 11:25:50 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 02/11/2023 06:05, red floyd wrote:
    On 11/1/2023 5:40 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai
    characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
    awful that it's necessary).


    Anybody know can you do that blocking with Thunderbird?

    YES, I could make all exotic spam disappear that way [for now].
    __
    wolfgang (ES+Thunderbird)
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