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On 2025-06-20, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-06-20 02:49, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 22:23:46 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote:

Turns out my carrier sneaked it on there unbeknownst to me.
So I deleted the carrier's app (which deleted the activity).

I take it you bought your phone from your carrier? And that it is also
locked to your carrier?

In much of the world, we are able to buy a phone, and then decide which
carrier to use it with. Switching carriers is as easy as switching a SIM.

Still, I believe the SIM card, which is provided by the telecom company,
can install applications. I don't have confirmation of this. I asked
chatgpt and it says "no".

Nope, it's just the stuff necessary to get you onto the carrier's
network. It can't push new apps into your phone.

HOWEVER -- the "free(tm)" phones from carriers tend to get the "carrier updates" which certainly can push crap into your phone (even after the lease-to-own period ends).
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On 2025-06-19 23:23, Marion wrote:

[Big snip]

This belongs in android ngs only, please stop cross-posting everything
android to various Linux and Windows ngs.
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On 2025-06-20 13:06, Dan Purgert wrote:

On 2025-06-20, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-06-20 02:49, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 22:23:46 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote:

Turns out my carrier sneaked it on there unbeknownst to me.
So I deleted the carrier's app (which deleted the activity).

I take it you bought your phone from your carrier? And that it is also
locked to your carrier?

In much of the world, we are able to buy a phone, and then decide which
carrier to use it with. Switching carriers is as easy as switching a SIM. >>

Still, I believe the SIM card, which is provided by the telecom company,
can install applications. I don't have confirmation of this. I asked
chatgpt and it says "no".

Nope, it's just the stuff necessary to get you onto the carrier's
network. It can't push new apps into your phone.

HOWEVER -- the "free(tm)" phones from carriers tend to get the "carrier updates" which certainly can push crap into your phone (even after the lease-to-own period ends).

YES. This is what I remember. Fortunately my ISP doesn't seem to push
bad nosy crap- They seem to put their own application for getting
support from them, for instance. I thought it might come from the SIM, somehow, but maybe it is only their support phone numbers to the phonebook.
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On 2025-06-20 21:00, Jan K. wrote:

W Fri, 20 Jun 2025 20:53:28 +0200, Ivano Rossi napisal:

HOWEVER -- the "free(tm)" phones from carriers tend to get the "carrier
updates" which certainly can push crap into your phone (even after the
lease-to-own period ends).

I don't think it matters if it is a free phone or not as the carrier is who >> pushes the updates to the phone so they can include what they want into it.

Also keep in mind any android on the internet is updated every month by Google for the kernal modules no matter how old the android phone is.

But this kinds of updates are updates by the manufacturer. These can
include apps in the firmware.
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On 2025-06-20 22:34, Jan K. wrote:

W Fri, 20 Jun 2025 21:39:33 +0200, Carlos E.R. napisal:

HOWEVER -- the "free(tm)" phones from carriers tend to get the "carrier >>>>> updates" which certainly can push crap into your phone (even after the >>>>> lease-to-own period ends).

I don't think it matters if it is a free phone or not as the carrier is who
pushes the updates to the phone so they can include what they want into it.

Also keep in mind any android on the internet is updated every month by
Google for the kernal modules no matter how old the android phone is.

But this kinds of updates are updates by the manufacturer. These can
include apps in the firmware.

There are many kinds of updates but the only kernal updates which happen every month to every android phone over the internet (no matter who makes
the phone & no matter who is the carrier) are from google alone https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/asb-overview https://www.androidauthority.com/pixel-phones-kernel-upgrade-march-update-3532360/
although the carrier also does updates when they feel like doing them https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/carrier

No. Some years ago I had a Motorola, that had installed (forced)
Facebook and something else, Linkedln perhaps. I removed them, and every
time I got the periodic update from Motorola, they were back.
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On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 12:33:14 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

This belongs in android ngs only ...

But it doesn’t just involve an Android system.
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On 2025-06-21 00:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 12:33:14 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

This belongs in android ngs only ...

But it doesn’t just involve an Android system.

But if you don't have an Android phone, it's just noise, so it belongs
in Android groups only. Marion seems to change his/her nym, so making
it difficult to use plonk filters, and keeps unnecessarily cross-posting
like this.

Sometimes cross-posting is justified - I do it sometimes myself when I
think it's justified, particularly when it relates to hardware that
might be used with both Linux & Windows - but here it's not really justified, because a moment's thought shows that it only applies to Android.
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On 2025/6/20 20:0:11, Jan K. wrote:
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Also keep in mind any android on the internet is updated every month by Google for the kernal modules no matter how old the android phone is.

Did that start at some specific version of Android? I'm pretty sure my
Android 4.3 - it was a Doogee - never received a single update.
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On 2025-06-22 16:00, Jan K. wrote:

W Sat, 21 Jun 2025 14:23:03 +0100, J. P. Gilliver napisal:

Also keep in mind any android on the internet is updated every month by
Google for the kernal modules no matter how old the android phone is.

Did that start at some specific version of Android? I'm pretty sure my
Android 4.3 - it was a Doogee - never received a single update.

Android 10.

Google did such a good job of updating every android on the internet that
you won't notice the updates every month unless you actually look for them. https://support.google.com/product-documentation/answer/11412553

I do notice.

The automatic monthly update requires a reboot to be applied. After a
reboot, I have to enter the PIN to the SIM. As the update and reboot
were automatic, I don't notice them and do not know that the phone is
waiting for the PIN, meaning that the phone is out of service, and I am effectively disconnected from the world.

Clever, ain't it? :-/

So I had to disable automatic updates. Thus I do notice them, when I see
the prompt to reboot at my convenience.
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On 2025/6/22 15:7:7, Victor wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 14:00:24 -0000 (UTC), Jan K. wrote:

Also keep in mind any android on the internet is updated every month by >>>> Google for the kernal modules no matter how old the android phone is.

Did that start at some specific version of Android? I'm pretty sure my
Android 4.3 - it was a Doogee - never received a single update.

Android 10.

The whole process actually started earlier, with Android 8.0 (Oreo).

Treble: Android 8.0 https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/here-comes-treble-modular-base-for.html

Mainline: Android 10 https://www.hexnode.com/blogs/android-project-mainline-everything-you-need-to-know/

Does that mean, should I ever buy another Android 'phone, I needn't
worry about ensuring it's later than 10 (or possibly 8), as it'll automatically update? (Obviously I'd have to check processor, memory,
and so on.) What are they up to now?

(And have they stopped naming versions after confectionery? I think it
was something like toffee-apple when I got mine.)
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On 2025/6/23 16:39:22, Victor wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 20:50:57 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

Also keep in mind any android on the internet is updated every month by >>>>>> Google for the kernal modules no matter how old the android phone is. >>>>>

Did that start at some specific version of Android? I'm pretty sure my >>>>> Android 4.3 - it was a Doogee - never received a single update.

Android 10.

The whole process actually started earlier, with Android 8.0 (Oreo).

Treble: Android 8.0
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/here-comes-treble-modular-base-for.html

Mainline: Android 10
https://www.hexnode.com/blogs/android-project-mainline-everything-you-need-to-know/

Does that mean, should I ever buy another Android 'phone, I needn't
worry about ensuring it's later than 10 (or possibly 8), as it'll
automatically update? (Obviously I'd have to check processor, memory,
and so on.) What are they up to now?

(And have they stopped naming versions after confectionery? I think it
was something like toffee-apple when I got mine.)

https://www.esper.io/blog/what-is-project-mainline

No. It doesn't mean that the phone is fully and completely updated.
Because there are other components on a phone other than core modules.

So what version of Android _should_ I go for (assuming I went for one at
all) to be reasonably sure it will update? (And/Or, what else should I
look for?) What version are they up to now?

Although it does mean dozens of core modules are fully updated monthly.
For any Android 10 and up phone that connects itself to the Internet.

That would presumably include connection via home wifi, rather than the mobile/cellular network?

The list of core modules grows appreciably with each Android release.
There are currently about 40 Project Mainline modules updated monthly.
They are the core components that Google updates (not oems or carriers).

Would, say, an overnight connection to wifi cover 40 modules? Or are we talking many days, or weeks, or impractically long?>

And Google stopped the candy naming convention back around Android 10.

Thanks. (Any idea why?)
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