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Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their GNU/Linux distros with performance degrading security "features" should take note
of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:

"Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and completely theoretical
attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in practice."

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds-growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks

Tell 'em, Linus! Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop computing!

To keep my workstation free of these ridiculous "mitigations" I have
to devote some slightly significant time -- and I don't like it.

At the very least, separate the desktop workstation from the public-facing sever as these have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "security" concerns.

I am sick of these "the sky is falling" security-obsessed idiots.
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On 10/21/2024 15:07, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their GNU/Linux distros with performance degrading security "features" should take note
of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:

"Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and completely theoretical
attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in practice."

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds-growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks

Tell 'em, Linus! Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop computing!

To keep my workstation free of these ridiculous "mitigations" I have
to devote some slightly significant time -- and I don't like it.

At the very least, separate the desktop workstation from the public-facing sever as these have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "security" concerns.

I am sick of these "the sky is falling" security-obsessed idiots.

Original Post is here: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Torvalds-Frustrated-Buggy-HW
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On 10/22/24 07:44, Phillip Frabott wrote:

On 10/21/2024 15:07, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their GNU/Linux
distros with performance degrading security "features" should take note
of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:

"Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and completely
theoretical
attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in
practice."

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds-
growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks

Tell 'em, Linus!  Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop computing!

To keep my workstation free of these ridiculous "mitigations" I have
to devote some slightly significant time -- and I don't like it.

At the very least, separate the desktop workstation from the public-
facing
sever as these have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "security" concerns.

I am sick of these "the sky is falling" security-obsessed idiots.

Original Post is here: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Torvalds-Frustrated-Buggy-HW

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.



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On 22/10/2024 13:32, bad sector wrote:

On 10/22/24 07:44, Phillip Frabott wrote:

On 10/21/2024 15:07, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their
GNU/Linux
distros with performance degrading security "features" should take note
of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:

"Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and completely
theoretical
attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in
practice."

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds-
growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks

Tell 'em, Linus!  Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop computing!

To keep my workstation free of these ridiculous "mitigations" I have
to devote some slightly significant time -- and I don't like it.

At the very least, separate the desktop workstation from the public-
facing
sever as these have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "security" concerns.

I am sick of these "the sky is falling" security-obsessed idiots.

Original Post is here:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Torvalds-Frustrated-Buggy-HW

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

And then a raspberry Pi will cost $1000 instead of $100
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― Confucius

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On 10/22/2024 08:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2024 13:32, bad sector wrote:

On 10/22/24 07:44, Phillip Frabott wrote:

On 10/21/2024 15:07, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their GNU/
Linux
distros with performance degrading security "features" should take note >>>> of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:

"Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and completely
theoretical
attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in
practice."

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds-
growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks

Tell 'em, Linus!  Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop computing! >>>>
To keep my workstation free of these ridiculous "mitigations" I have
to devote some slightly significant time -- and I don't like it.

At the very least, separate the desktop workstation from the public-
facing
sever as these have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "security" concerns.

I am sick of these "the sky is falling" security-obsessed idiots.

Original Post is here:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Torvalds-Frustrated-Buggy-HW

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

And then a raspberry Pi will cost $1000 instead of $100

Not likely. The Cortex-A76 costs around $17.24 per chip when purchased
as a bulk of 10,000 (minimum order) And given that the entire Rpi5 only
costs $31~ to manufacture that means that China is charging a good $12
per Rpi5 unit in export tariff (general wholesale revenue is $15.40 and
retail revenue is $21.59) So the extra $5 per chip made in the US or Europe/Canada would end up being cheaper once you remove the tariff cost
from China, which would effectively pay for the $3 increase per chip and
give a $10 discount. (after running through all the wholesale/retail
costs the consumer would likely save $5-$7 per Rpi5.)

And even if it didn't, I don't think consumers will panic if their $80
Rpi5 costs $83 instead. If you're that poor that you can't afford $3
then you really don't need an Rpi5 anyways. Use that money to buy food
and other necessities for your life. Be smart with your money.

It's easy enough the take apart the components on the Rpi5 and source
them to get the pricing. The CPU is the most expensive part and at
$17.24 you can figure out that the rest of it is pretty cheap. I mean resistors, transistors and other diodes are pennies in bulk and the
other chips and interfaces aren't that expensive. I mean the Rpi5's
Wi-Fi chip is like $2 in bulk 10,000. So it's really not that expensive.

The $80~ is based on US pricing so it might be different elsewhere in
the world. But you get the picture.
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On 2024-10-22 8:32 a.m., bad sector wrote:

On 10/22/24 07:44, Phillip Frabott wrote:

On 10/21/2024 15:07, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their
GNU/Linux
distros with performance degrading security "features" should take note
of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:

"Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and completely
theoretical
attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in
practice."

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds-
growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks

Tell 'em, Linus!  Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop computing!

To keep my workstation free of these ridiculous "mitigations" I have
to devote some slightly significant time -- and I don't like it.

At the very least, separate the desktop workstation from the public-
facing
sever as these have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "security" concerns.

I am sick of these "the sky is falling" security-obsessed idiots.

Original Post is here:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Torvalds-Frustrated-Buggy-HW

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

Agreed. If the third-world masses want to come to the West then there is
no reason to keep sending labour there.
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CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On 2024-10-22 8:34 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2024 13:32, bad sector wrote:

On 10/22/24 07:44, Phillip Frabott wrote:

On 10/21/2024 15:07, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their
GNU/Linux
distros with performance degrading security "features" should take note >>>> of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:

"Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and completely
theoretical
attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in
practice."

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds-
growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks

Tell 'em, Linus!  Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop computing! >>>>
To keep my workstation free of these ridiculous "mitigations" I have
to devote some slightly significant time -- and I don't like it.

At the very least, separate the desktop workstation from the public-
facing
sever as these have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "security" concerns.

I am sick of these "the sky is falling" security-obsessed idiots.

Original Post is here:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Torvalds-Frustrated-Buggy-HW

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

And then a raspberry Pi will cost $1000 instead of $100

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?
--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On 22/10/2024 14:18, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 8:34 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2024 13:32, bad sector wrote:

On 10/22/24 07:44, Phillip Frabott wrote:

On 10/21/2024 15:07, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their
GNU/Linux
distros with performance degrading security "features" should take
note
of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:

"Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and
completely theoretical
attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in
practice."

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds-
growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks

Tell 'em, Linus!  Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop computing! >>>>>
To keep my workstation free of these ridiculous "mitigations" I have >>>>> to devote some slightly significant time -- and I don't like it.

At the very least, separate the desktop workstation from the
public- facing
sever as these have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "security" concerns.

I am sick of these "the sky is falling" security-obsessed idiots.

Original Post is here:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Torvalds-Frustrated-Buggy-HW

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

And then a raspberry Pi will cost $1000 instead of $100

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?

well a lot of Muricans seem to be in favour of letting Putin destroy
Ukraine so tthey pay 21c a year less in income tax.
--
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the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell


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In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
<snip>

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

That will not fix anything, the real fix is somehow these
companies need to stop chasing short-term profits that Wall
Street demands. This issue happens when testing is cut
short and if an issue is found, the hardware gets released
anyway because "Wall Street" and profits and bonuses.
--
[t]csh(1) - "An elegant shell, for a more... civilized age."
- Paraphrasing Star Wars
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On 2024-10-22 9:25 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2024 14:18, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 8:34 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2024 13:32, bad sector wrote:

On 10/22/24 07:44, Phillip Frabott wrote:

On 10/21/2024 15:07, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their
GNU/Linux
distros with performance degrading security "features" should take >>>>>> note
of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:

"Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and
completely theoretical
attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in
practice."

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds- >>>>>> growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks

Tell 'em, Linus!  Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop
computing!

To keep my workstation free of these ridiculous "mitigations" I have >>>>>> to devote some slightly significant time -- and I don't like it.

At the very least, separate the desktop workstation from the
public- facing
sever as these have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "security" concerns.

I am sick of these "the sky is falling" security-obsessed idiots.

Original Post is here:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Torvalds-Frustrated-Buggy-HW

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

And then a raspberry Pi will cost $1000 instead of $100

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?

well a lot of Muricans seem to be in favour of letting Putin destroy Ukraine  so tthey pay 21c a year less in income tax.

Funny enough, despite being Polish and knowing Russia's history with my ancestral country, I too think that he should go ahead and demolish
Ukraine. For one, he has a right to defend his borders and Ukraine's
geography is an important part of that. Second, Ukraine's contested
regions already decided that they wanted to be a part of Russia but both Ukraine and its American allies decided that democracy didn't matter.
Third, Ukraine remains a corrupt country which allows Western
politicians to launder their fortunes. That last reason alone is a good
reason to get rid of the administration.

I truly believe that anyone defending Zelensky and American involvement
in the war is easily manipulated by propaganda.
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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:32:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

It went away in the first place because it could not be done cost-
effectively in those “first-world” countries -- basic free-market capitalism in action.

To bring it back would require Government subsidies, or forcing customers
to pay more. Which would you prefer?
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In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 22/10/2024 13:32, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

And then a raspberry Pi will cost $1000 instead of $100

You've somehow missed all their publicity about making Raspberry
Pis in the UK at Sony's factory in Wales?

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/how-raspberry-pis-are-made-factory-tour

Granted not "all" are made in the UK (though that article claims
it's "the factory where almost every Raspberry Pi has been made"),
but it obviously isn't driving the price up that much, especially
as it includes their $5 RPi Zero boards.

But Raspberry Pi is clearly an outlier, compared to all the other
products made in China. Not needing to do assembly of their boards
in a case probably helps because that's where things get less
automated.
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On 10/22/24 08:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2024 13:32, bad sector wrote:

On 10/22/24 07:44, Phillip Frabott wrote:

On 10/21/2024 15:07, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their GNU/
Linux
distros with performance degrading security "features" should take note >>>> of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:

"Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and completely
theoretical
attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in
practice."

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds-
growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks

Tell 'em, Linus!  Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop computing! >>>>
To keep my workstation free of these ridiculous "mitigations" I have
to devote some slightly significant time -- and I don't like it.

At the very least, separate the desktop workstation from the public-
facing
sever as these have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "security" concerns.

I am sick of these "the sky is falling" security-obsessed idiots.

Original Post is here:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Torvalds-Frustrated-Buggy-HW

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

And then a raspberry Pi will cost $1000 instead of $100

The way I see it having stuff made 'over there' was OK when a piece of
printed circuit came on boat for a total of $5, now a motherboard or a
gpu, both full of bugs (and documentation so awful that a 3rd grader
would be ashamed enough of it to start wearing his pants on his head) is
$1000 up. That's a game changer if you ask me! The bit-coin miners also
had to do with it but the manufacturers may next regret having been too greedy.




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On 10/22/24 10:51, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 9:25 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2024 14:18, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 8:34 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2024 13:32, bad sector wrote:

On 10/22/24 07:44, Phillip Frabott wrote:

On 10/21/2024 15:07, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Distro maintainers, and their lackey consumers, who bloat their >>>>>>> GNU/Linux
distros with performance degrading security "features" should
take note
of the latest exclamations of Linus Torvalds:

"Honestly, I'm pretty damn fed up with buggy hardware and
completely theoretical
attacks that have never actually shown themselves to be used in >>>>>>> practice."

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/10/21/1533228/linus-torvalds- >>>>>>> growing-frustrated-by-buggy-hardware-theoretical-cpu-attacks

Tell 'em, Linus!  Those paranoid freaks are ruining desktop
computing!

To keep my workstation free of these ridiculous "mitigations" I have >>>>>>> to devote some slightly significant time -- and I don't like it. >>>>>>>
At the very least, separate the desktop workstation from the
public- facing
sever as these have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "security" concerns.

I am sick of these "the sky is falling" security-obsessed idiots. >>>>>>

Original Post is here:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Torvalds-Frustrated-Buggy-HW

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

And then a raspberry Pi will cost $1000 instead of $100

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?

well a lot of Muricans seem to be in favour of letting Putin destroy
Ukraine  so tthey pay 21c a year less in income tax.

Funny enough, despite being Polish

hahaha! I shudda knowed from 'crudesausage' :-)))

and knowing Russia's history with my
ancestral country, I too think that he should go ahead and demolish
Ukraine. For one, he has a right to defend his borders and Ukraine's geography is an important part of that. Second, Ukraine's contested
regions already decided that they wanted to be a part of Russia but both Ukraine and its American allies decided that democracy didn't matter.
Third, Ukraine remains a corrupt country which allows Western
politicians to launder their fortunes. That last reason alone is a good reason to get rid of the administration.

I truly believe that anyone defending Zelensky and American involvement
in the war is easily manipulated by propaganda.

EVERYONE is manipulated 7/24, Smolensk was a tragic story but there are
many others like it involving various players.

<OT rant>

Right now Americans are going through the wringer having to elect either
a bolshewoke or a flunky while big-money makes sure that polarization
there too leaves only a very easily manipulated 1% to swing at will come
the crew-change, that oh so democratic-moment when they throw either a
red or a blue bone to the dogs to keep them quiet. As we turn into the
last stretch and the *entire planet* is glued to the TV sets and the US elections, that same big-money is rolling on the floor crapping its
pants in a laughing fit.

</rant>


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On 10/22/24 16:47, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:32:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

It went away in the first place because it could not be done cost- effectively in those “first-world” countries -- basic free-market capitalism in action.

So? Free-market capitalism, especially transborder, isn't everyone's cup
of tea.

To bring it back would require Government subsidies, or forcing customers
to pay more. Which would you prefer?

Nothing wrong with subsidies, I pay a lot more tax than some others but
no-one starves on the street around me, the sick get free surgery, etc.
The role of government is to be the bouncer or the black-ops gangster
who does WHATEVER is in the interest of *its* tax paying citizens. None
of this transcends state borders.

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On 22/10/2024 14:18, CrudeSausage wrote:

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?

That's what undocumented migrants are for. Just use them as slaves and
you'll find they will stop coming to America, the land of opportunities
and welfare.

Frankly, the only way to solve the migrants coming to USA or Europe is
to bring back slavery. Slavery version 2.0 where they come to work
willingly without any coercion or shackles.

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On 2024-10-22 4:47 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:32:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

It went away in the first place because it could not be done cost- effectively in those “first-world” countries -- basic free-market capitalism in action.

To bring it back would require Government subsidies, or forcing customers
to pay more. Which would you prefer?

Considering the largest market for those products is the West,
particularly the United States, it would be possible to bring back manufacturing by blocking sales of products that don't have a presence
in North America. They might not return all their manufacturing to the
West, but whatever is sold here would have to be made here. You can sell
it as an "environmental measure," explaining that you're trying avoid intercontinental freight.
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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On 2024-10-22 6:50 p.m., Donald Trump wrote:

On 22/10/2024 14:18, CrudeSausage wrote:

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?

That's what undocumented migrants are for.

Illegal aliens. Anyone who uses the above term does not deserve to be read.

< snip >
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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:36:08 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 4:47 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:32:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

It went away in the first place because it could not be done cost-
effectively in those “first-world” countries -- basic free-market
capitalism in action.

To bring it back would require Government subsidies, or forcing
customers to pay more. Which would you prefer?

Considering the largest market for those products is the West,
particularly the United States, it would be possible to bring back manufacturing by blocking sales of products that don't have a presence
in North America.

Easy way around that: set up an empty office like those in East Texas to
get jurisdiction under the patent-friendly courts there. There’s your “presence”. Business continues from overseas as usual.

What’s your next move?
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On 23 Oct 2024 06:48:26 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

But Raspberry Pi is clearly an outlier ...

In other words, it’s not a copycat product. It’s innovative.

I think the predominant assumption in this thread is that the assembly
lines moved back to the West will be making exactly the same products as
the ones they want to replace.
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:18:00 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?

Strange. I thought you wanted to take jobs away from those running those manufacturing lines in the third world. Now you’re trying to sympathize
with them as “slave labour”?
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:49:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

Illegal aliens.

Declaring somebody “illegal” ... I wonder what that means? That they have no legal right to exist?

(They used to do that--declaring somebody “illegal”--in Apartheid South Africa.)
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On 2024-10-22 7:57 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:36:08 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 4:47 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:32:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production) >>>> to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

It went away in the first place because it could not be done cost-
effectively in those “first-world” countries -- basic free-market
capitalism in action.

To bring it back would require Government subsidies, or forcing
customers to pay more. Which would you prefer?

Considering the largest market for those products is the West,
particularly the United States, it would be possible to bring back
manufacturing by blocking sales of products that don't have a presence
in North America.

Easy way around that: set up an empty office like those in East Texas to
get jurisdiction under the patent-friendly courts there. There’s your “presence”. Business continues from overseas as usual.

What’s your next move?

A manufacturing presence. The company would have to produce whatever it
sells on the continent it is selling to. I just re-read what I wrote and
what I meant was very clear.
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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On 2024-10-22 8:00 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:18:00 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?

Strange. I thought you wanted to take jobs away from those running those manufacturing lines in the third world. Now you’re trying to sympathize with them as “slave labour”?

Do you purposefully misunderstand what you read? It is very clear that
the labour being used to produce less expensive computers is slave
labour. I have _always_ been in favour of products being sold in the
West being produced in the West. I would _never_ advocate for anything
sold here to be manufactured anywhere else, especially since it turns
out to be slave labour.
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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On 2024-10-22 8:02 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:49:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

Illegal aliens.

Declaring somebody “illegal” ... I wonder what that means? That they have no legal right to exist?

No, the meaning is very clear and you progressives are the ones playing
stupid in the hope of winning an argument by playing on emotions. They
are illegal because they made their way into a country through a blatant disregard of the laws. Their first act in getting to their destination
is to commit a crime. The adjective _illegal_ applies to them because
they have no legal right to be within the borders of the country. They
are also alien because they never before set foot in the country and we
often have no idea where they are actually from since they discard all identification the moment they get here.

(They used to do that--declaring somebody “illegal”--in Apartheid South Africa.)

And they were right to do so. South Africa used to be a country of laws
and social order. The moment you retarded progressives decided that it
was all wrong, the country Whites built was given away to brain-dead
negroes and rampant crime has taken over. Soon, the population will
starve because those same criminals are murdering the only labour
capable of producing food: the Whites.

On every matter, you progressives are wrong. Every one of your ideas is
proven to be a failure but you are all too dense to realize how
destructive you are.
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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:49:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

Illegal aliens.

Declaring somebody “illegal” ... I wonder what that means? That they have >no legal right to exist?

(They used to do that--declaring somebody “illegal”--in Apartheid South >Africa.)

Andrzej believes only white people have rights.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:19:57 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 7:57 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:36:08 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 4:47 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:32:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

It went away in the first place because it could not be done cost-
effectively in those “first-world” countries -- basic free-market
capitalism in action.

To bring it back would require Government subsidies, or forcing
customers to pay more. Which would you prefer?

Considering the largest market for those products is the West,
particularly the United States, it would be possible to bring back
manufacturing by blocking sales of products that don't have a presence
in North America.

Easy way around that: set up an empty office like those in East Texas
to get jurisdiction under the patent-friendly courts there. There’s
your “presence”. Business continues from overseas as usual.

What’s your next move?

A manufacturing presence. The company would have to produce whatever it
sells on the continent it is selling to.

How much of it? Disassembled parts? Or all the way back to raw ore?
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On 10/22/24 20:45, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:19:57 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 7:57 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:36:08 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 4:47 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:32:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

It went away in the first place because it could not be done cost-
effectively in those “first-world” countries -- basic free-market >>>>> capitalism in action.

To bring it back would require Government subsidies, or forcing
customers to pay more. Which would you prefer?

Considering the largest market for those products is the West,
particularly the United States, it would be possible to bring back
manufacturing by blocking sales of products that don't have a presence >>>> in North America.

Easy way around that: set up an empty office like those in East Texas
to get jurisdiction under the patent-friendly courts there. There’s
your “presence”. Business continues from overseas as usual.

What’s your next move?

A manufacturing presence. The company would have to produce whatever it
sells on the continent it is selling to.

How much of it? Disassembled parts? Or all the way back to raw ore?

No point in splitting toothpicks, IF the US is in fact the biggest
market then the US calls the shots, all of them, period. I suspect that
with Europe added with a slightly larger population and comparable
living standards just about everything would be decided between those two.

I would exact the same % of manhours as my market share, and very
definitely all publications development & production in european
languages including english.

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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 21:17:30 -0400, bad sector wrote:

IF the US is in fact the biggest> market then the US calls the shots,
all of them, period.

But it is no longer in that position, and not likely to get back into that position. At least, not without a lot of pain that its citizens will not
put up with.
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:28:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 8:02 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

(They used to do that--declaring somebody “illegal”--in Apartheid South >> Africa.)

And they were right to do so. South Africa used to be a country of laws
and social order.

The whites were nutcases, let's face it. They had “whites-only”
hospitals, so somebody who needed care but wasn’t “white” had to be
taken elsewhere -- if they were lucky.

As a 20-something singer touring with the Manhattan Brothers, the
biggest Black band in South Africa, [Miriam Makeba] was involved
in a crash with a white family’s car that left the white father
and one of his children dead. The whites were bundled into an
ambulance and the Blacks were left to die on the side of a
provincial road. The local “white” hospital refused to treat them
and one of Makeba’s companions ended up dying an entirely
preventable death when he finally reached Johannesburg two days
later.

<https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/10/20/why-shouldnt-power-be-black-how-miriam-makeba-won-and-lost-the-us>
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 6:50 p.m., Donald Trump wrote:

On 22/10/2024 14:18, CrudeSausage wrote:

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?

That's what undocumented migrants are for.

Illegal aliens. Anyone who uses the above term does not deserve to be read.

< snip >

This is the truth. "Migrant" is a weasel word created by the left in order
to slip in the unstated assumption that they somehow have the right to
stay where ever they choose to settle down. It is incorrect and dishonest.

Illegal alien is what they are. Period.
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On 10/23/24 00:39, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:28:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 8:02 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

(They used to do that--declaring somebody “illegal”--in Apartheid South >>> Africa.)

And they were right to do so. South Africa used to be a country of laws
and social order.

The whites were nutcases, let's face it. They had “whites-only” hospitals, so somebody who needed care but wasn’t “white” had to be taken elsewhere -- if they were lucky.

As a 20-something singer touring with the Manhattan Brothers, the
biggest Black band in South Africa, [Miriam Makeba] was involved
in a crash with a white family’s car that left the white father
and one of his children dead. The whites were bundled into an
ambulance and the Blacks were left to die on the side of a
provincial road. The local “white” hospital refused to treat them
and one of Makeba’s companions ended up dying an entirely
preventable death when he finally reached Johannesburg two days
later.

<https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/10/20/why-shouldnt-power-be-black-how-miriam-makeba-won-and-lost-the-us>

Whoever did whatever in South Africa never did, never will, and
certainly doesn't define what is meant by any term elsewhere and that
includes 'illegal alien'. Illegal = unauthorised, unlawful; alien =
foreign, potentially hostile. Nothing complicated really i.e. a squatter
from elsewhere as would be someone who just waltzes into your
living-room and pitches tent there uninvited.



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bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

Whoever did whatever in South Africa never did, never will, and
certainly doesn't define what is meant by any term elsewhere and that >includes 'illegal alien'. Illegal = unauthorised, unlawful; alien =
foreign, potentially hostile. Nothing complicated really i.e. a squatter >from elsewhere as would be someone who just waltzes into your
living-room and pitches tent there uninvited.

Uh huh. You ever hear of Christopher Columbus? Was he born in the
Americas? Or did he just declare land to be the property of Spain,
without any rational basis? What the fuck do you think crackers
coming here were, if not "illegal immigrants"? Just because the
indigenous people hadn't created a system of government to make a law,
against their arrival? Despite the fact whities massacred indigenous
people, to gain territory here? Wake the fuck up.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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On 2024-10-22 8:45 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:19:57 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 7:57 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:36:08 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 4:47 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:32:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

It went away in the first place because it could not be done cost-
effectively in those “first-world” countries -- basic free-market >>>>> capitalism in action.

To bring it back would require Government subsidies, or forcing
customers to pay more. Which would you prefer?

Considering the largest market for those products is the West,
particularly the United States, it would be possible to bring back
manufacturing by blocking sales of products that don't have a presence >>>> in North America.

Easy way around that: set up an empty office like those in East Texas
to get jurisdiction under the patent-friendly courts there. There’s
your “presence”. Business continues from overseas as usual.

What’s your next move?

A manufacturing presence. The company would have to produce whatever it
sells on the continent it is selling to.

How much of it? Disassembled parts? Or all the way back to raw ore?

This statement demonstrates how much progressives care about the people
being enslaved in foreign countries to produce the goods we Westerners purchase at low prices. They have a huge heart until you tell them that
their cell phone might cost $50 more because 'Bile in Africa is suddenly getting a living wage.
--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On 2024-10-23 12:39 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:28:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 8:02 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

(They used to do that--declaring somebody “illegal”--in Apartheid South >>> Africa.)

And they were right to do so. South Africa used to be a country of laws
and social order.

The whites were nutcases, let's face it. They had “whites-only” hospitals, so somebody who needed care but wasn’t “white” had to be taken elsewhere -- if they were lucky.

As a 20-something singer touring with the Manhattan Brothers, the
biggest Black band in South Africa, [Miriam Makeba] was involved
in a crash with a white family’s car that left the white father
and one of his children dead. The whites were bundled into an
ambulance and the Blacks were left to die on the side of a
provincial road. The local “white” hospital refused to treat them
and one of Makeba’s companions ended up dying an entirely
preventable death when he finally reached Johannesburg two days
later.

<https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/10/20/why-shouldnt-power-be-black-how-miriam-makeba-won-and-lost-the-us>

Nothing was stopping blacks from building their own hospitals the same
way that progressives are now demanding that conservatives build their
own platforms. If they don't like the fact that whites don't want to
stink up their rooms by allowing blacks in them, it's up to blacks to
fix the situation... or are you admitting that they're not up to the task?
--
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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On 2024-10-23 4:05 a.m., D wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 6:50 p.m., Donald Trump wrote:

On 22/10/2024 14:18, CrudeSausage wrote:

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?

That's what undocumented migrants are for.

Illegal aliens. Anyone who uses the above term does not deserve to be
read.

< snip >

This is the truth. "Migrant" is a weasel word created by the left in
order to slip in the unstated assumption that they somehow have the
right to stay where ever they choose to settle down. It is incorrect and dishonest.

Illegal alien is what they are. Period.

I don't even think they deserve to be called leftists anymore. They are
stupid and should be called such. There is the right and the stupid.
--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On 10/23/24 07:31, Joel wrote:

bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

Whoever did whatever in South Africa never did, never will, and
certainly doesn't define what is meant by any term elsewhere and that
includes 'illegal alien'. Illegal = unauthorised, unlawful; alien =
foreign, potentially hostile. Nothing complicated really i.e. a squatter >>from elsewhere as would be someone who just waltzes into your
living-room and pitches tent there uninvited.

Uh huh. You ever hear of Christopher Columbus?

Sure, far too much even; he was a paper christian if at all whom the
vatican was about to BBQ so he quickly found himself a sweetheart deal
with the spanish queen to get the fuck outta Dodge and just in time.

Was he born in the
Americas? Or did he just declare land to be the property of Spain,
without any rational basis? What the fuck do you think crackers
coming here were, if not "illegal immigrants"?

What DECIDED whom the land belonged to was the size of the Spanish navy,
also the British, the French, and the German to name the top guns. When
did you get off the boat?

Just because the
indigenous people hadn't created a system of government to make a law, against their arrival? Despite the fact whities massacred indigenous
people, to gain territory here?

Laws without power mean didley shit, but who was talking about the USA?
What is it with Americans that unless someone specifically says 'this is
not about the USA' they always think that everyone on usenet is by
default thinking and talking about them? The illegal migrant problem is
at crisis levels in Europe for example, far worse than stateside.

Wake the fuck up.

Land is like a woman, belongs to the last man standing subject only to
her wanting any of him regardless. There is no ancestral 'right' that I
know of or would accept.





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On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 10:06:39 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 8:45 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:19:57 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 7:57 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:36:08 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 4:47 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:32:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

It went away in the first place because it could not be done cost- >>>>>> effectively in those “first-world” countries -- basic free-market >>>>>> capitalism in action.

To bring it back would require Government subsidies, or forcing
customers to pay more. Which would you prefer?

Considering the largest market for those products is the West,
particularly the United States, it would be possible to bring back
manufacturing by blocking sales of products that don't have a
presence in North America.

Easy way around that: set up an empty office like those in East Texas
to get jurisdiction under the patent-friendly courts there. There’s
your “presence”. Business continues from overseas as usual.

What’s your next move?

A manufacturing presence. The company would have to produce whatever
it sells on the continent it is selling to.

How much of it? Disassembled parts? Or all the way back to raw ore?

This statement demonstrates ...

That you have no idea how to answer the question.
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On 2024-10-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 22/10/2024 13:32, bad sector wrote:

On 10/22/24 07:44, Phillip Frabott wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual production)
to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

And then a raspberry Pi will cost $1000 instead of $100

You want me to believe that Sony UK is currently manufacutring them 10 times cheaper in Wales than is possible in USA?
--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні
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On 2024-10-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

On 2024-10-22 8:45 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:19:57 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 7:57 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:36:08 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 4:47 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:32:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

It went away in the first place because it could not be done cost- >>>>>> effectively in those “first-world” countries -- basic free-market >>>>>> capitalism in action.

To bring it back would require Government subsidies, or forcing
customers to pay more. Which would you prefer?

Considering the largest market for those products is the West,
particularly the United States, it would be possible to bring back
manufacturing by blocking sales of products that don't have a presence >>>>> in North America.

Easy way around that: set up an empty office like those in East Texas
to get jurisdiction under the patent-friendly courts there. There’s
your “presence”. Business continues from overseas as usual.

What’s your next move?

A manufacturing presence. The company would have to produce whatever it
sells on the continent it is selling to.

How much of it? Disassembled parts? Or all the way back to raw ore?

This statement demonstrates how much progressives care about the people being enslaved in foreign countries to produce the goods we Westerners purchase at low prices.

Indeed, it shows that progressives consider policy while conservatives
are only interested in rhetoric. He didn't say it was a bad plan, he
said that it was in incomplete plan.

They have a huge heart until you tell them that
their cell phone might cost $50 more because 'Bile in Africa is suddenly getting a living wage.

You post this slander without any evidence that it not actually
projection..
--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні
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On 2024-10-23 11:25 p.m., Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2024-10-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

On 2024-10-22 8:45 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:19:57 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 7:57 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:36:08 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 4:47 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:32:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

It's time for HW manufacturing (all development AND actual
production) to return to the USA/CXanada and Europe.

It went away in the first place because it could not be done cost- >>>>>>> effectively in those “first-world” countries -- basic free-market >>>>>>> capitalism in action.

To bring it back would require Government subsidies, or forcing
customers to pay more. Which would you prefer?

Considering the largest market for those products is the West,
particularly the United States, it would be possible to bring back >>>>>> manufacturing by blocking sales of products that don't have a presence >>>>>> in North America.

Easy way around that: set up an empty office like those in East Texas >>>>> to get jurisdiction under the patent-friendly courts there. There’s >>>>> your “presence”. Business continues from overseas as usual.

What’s your next move?

A manufacturing presence. The company would have to produce whatever it >>>> sells on the continent it is selling to.

How much of it? Disassembled parts? Or all the way back to raw ore?

This statement demonstrates how much progressives care about the people
being enslaved in foreign countries to produce the goods we Westerners
purchase at low prices.

Indeed, it shows that progressives consider policy while conservatives
are only interested in rhetoric.

Complete bullshit.
--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On Wed, 10/23/2024 10:06 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

This statement demonstrates how much progressives care about the people being enslaved in foreign countries ...

Once you offshore, THERE IS NO TURNING BACK.

Darth Vader said it best:

"You don't know the POWER of the dark side".

Google "Don't be evil"
Google "We have a new plan"

Even if you had a national policy for a certain
thing, businessmen would work to thwart that plan.

Even in wartime, businessmen have done things going
against the country. For their own profit. And in more
than one political system.

Just keep reading your newspaper, OK ? Scumbags are everywhere.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/minister-jeremy-harrison-fired-crown-corp-board-chair-who-blew-the-whistle-on-apparent-conflicts-of-interest-1.7352049

Paul
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On 2024-10-24 11:56 a.m., Paul wrote:

On Wed, 10/23/2024 10:06 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

This statement demonstrates how much progressives care about the people being enslaved in foreign countries ...

Once you offshore, THERE IS NO TURNING BACK.

Only if you don't care about your people. I am a nationalist so my own
people will always come first.
--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 08:57:06 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-23 11:25 p.m., Jasen Betts wrote:

Indeed, it shows that progressives consider policy while conservatives
are only interested in rhetoric.

Complete bullshit.

Rhetoric requires some ability to compose coherent sentences. Spouting expletives does not.
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On 10/24/24 13:30, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-24 11:56 a.m., Paul wrote:

On Wed, 10/23/2024 10:06 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

This statement demonstrates how much progressives care about the
people being enslaved in foreign countries ...

Once you offshore, THERE IS NO TURNING BACK.

Only if you don't care about your people. I am a nationalist so my own people will always come first.

You don't even have to be a nationalist, motherboards and gpu's (some research, automated printed circuit production and little more) costing
$1000 up are well within domestic margins as it is. It's just a question
of someone taking a swipe at it and THEN (because offshore WILL start
slashing prices if challenged) sticking to a strategic PLAN.


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On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:44:38 -0400, bad sector wrote:

You don't even have to be a nationalist, motherboards and gpu's (some research, automated printed circuit production and little more) costing
$1000 up are well within domestic margins as it is.

Why is Taiwan the world capital for computer hardware? Because the
Government had the foresight to support private investment in hardware manufacturing back in the 1980s, which didn’t fully pay off for close to another decade. But when it did pay off, it effectively killed off most PC hardware manufacturing in the US and elsewhere.

Who in the US is going to take the risk of such a long-term investment?
They weren’t capable then, they’re even less capable now. You don’t even believe in the idea that Government can be helpful to businesses, as
opposed to being an obstacle to them.
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On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 10:05:02 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

This is the truth. "Migrant" is a weasel word created by the left in order >to slip in the unstated assumption that they somehow have the right to
stay where ever they choose to settle down. It is incorrect and dishonest.

"Migrant" is simply an inclusive word to cover both immigrants and
emigrants. It refers to people who move from one country to another
regardless of whether they are coming or going, and regardless of
their reason for moving.

Follow-ups set, since not all migrants use Linux.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
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On 10/24/24 18:23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:44:38 -0400, bad sector wrote:

You don't even have to be a nationalist, motherboards and gpu's (some
research, automated printed circuit production and little more) costing
$1000 up are well within domestic margins as it is.

Why is Taiwan the world capital for computer hardware? Because the
Government had the foresight to support private investment in hardware manufacturing back in the 1980s, which didn’t fully pay off for close to another decade. But when it did pay off, it effectively killed off most PC hardware manufacturing in the US and elsewhere.

That money allowed them to cut prices and it was the low prices that
gave them sales. But now the prices are no longer low at all. Maybe it's
up to the buyers to stop dishing out big bucks for $5 boards.

You don’t even
believe in the idea that Government can be helpful to businesses, as
opposed to being an obstacle to them.

I don't recall having said that, but I do advocate that vital
infrastructure should not be trusted to private monopoly enterprise.



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On 24/10/2024 23:23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

Why is Taiwan the world capital for computer hardware? Because the
Government had the foresight to support private investment in hardware manufacturing back in the 1980s, which didn’t fully pay off for close to another decade. But when it did pay off, it effectively killed off most PC hardware manufacturing in the US and elsewhere.

If this is true then the the Governments in the west must be very
incompetent to under-estimate the rise of Taiwan, China and India.

Demented Joe Biden and Kamala Harris did absolutely nothing to make
America Great Again or MAGA for short. It is time that you vote for me
to achieve your dreams to be self-reliant in all things "Made in the USA".

Undocumented migrants should be made to work for nothing to make them
realise that coming to the USA is not going to work for them. People
like CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> should also be made to live with them
in the slave tents and made to eat rotten foods thrown by rich Americans.

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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:05:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

On 10/24/24 18:23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

Why is Taiwan the world capital for computer hardware? Because the
Government had the foresight to support private investment in hardware
manufacturing back in the 1980s, which didn’t fully pay off for close
to another decade. But when it did pay off, it effectively killed off
most PC hardware manufacturing in the US and elsewhere.

That money allowed them to cut prices ...

Where did they get the money from?
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On Thu, 10/24/2024 6:23 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:44:38 -0400, bad sector wrote:

You don't even have to be a nationalist, motherboards and gpu's (some
research, automated printed circuit production and little more) costing
$1000 up are well within domestic margins as it is.

Why is Taiwan the world capital for computer hardware? Because the Government had the foresight to support private investment in hardware manufacturing back in the 1980s, which didn’t fully pay off for close to another decade. But when it did pay off, it effectively killed off most PC hardware manufacturing in the US and elsewhere.

Who in the US is going to take the risk of such a long-term investment?
They weren’t capable then, they’re even less capable now. You don’t even
believe in the idea that Government can be helpful to businesses, as
opposed to being an obstacle to them.

Labor cost is an input.

Some of the materials for domestic production, would be turnkey systems.
For example, a solder tunnel is a turnkey system. There can be a lot of automation on some parts of the process. But test and integration is
an issue. (Asus might have a thousand women sitting at tables, doing test.
we don't have a thousand women sitting at tables doing that in North America.) And anyone who has been remotely near one of our factories,
knows what a zoo it is inside. Every factory is a zoo. Even the
Asus factory will be a zoo. It's the nature of the beast.
Foxconn has 500,000 employees.

And to give you some idea how the two countries differ, to do a certain
repair procedure here (down the street from us), cost $1000. That operation
is only suited to a prototype PCB (cost is too high for any other purpose).
In Taiwan, the same procedure costs $25. Why ? well one of the reasons,
is the Taiwan dude doing them, is doing one after another, all day. He never stops.
Our local shop, he is paid to sit on his hands all week, and he does about
one a week. This means we could do better, with volume, but ultimately,
the pay rate of the two dudes is different. Not by much, but different.
The pay scale of a skilled tech worker in the foreign countries has risen
since we started offshoring. But it's still profitable to use them.
Not all the workers are skilled. The untrained ones are cheaper.
Some jobs need knowledgeable staff. There are still a lot of
humans that need *constant* supervision (why it is a zoo!).
Everyone has to pull on the oars in the same direction.
Our workers don't always do that.

If you automate everything (like Musk tried to do), the cost is high
for the equipment, and the profit from your little operation, has
to pay off that equipment. The equipment has to be programmed.
The maintenance staff to keep everything running, those are skilled individuals. And on any given day, there can be a work stoppage
until some code or script is fixed up. In essence, the robots
are just as dumb, as some of the people they replaced. One thing
humans can do, is for trivial issues, they can work around the issue
until the root cause is resolved. Robots won't be doing it that way.
And no, don't say the word AI :-)

*******

What I didn't mention, is we have none of the humans discussed above.
We have no skilled workers. Once their jobs were offshored, they
became Uber drivers and UPS delivery people. They're not coming back.
we don't have enough professors with the right backgrounds, to
teach a new generation of people. There is a long period
of rebuilding the industry.

For example, years ago here, I could stop a guy on the street
and ask him if he could solder, and he probably could.
If I did that today, the teenager watching TikTok vids
on his phone would look up and say "what is solder?".
We're devoid of a certain kind of individual. Only some
places have clusters of tech workers now.

Consider a conversation I had with an HR person once, over a beer.
we were joking about something, and she tells me "when the resumes
come in, if a tech worker has been out of work for a year, I just
throw out their resume". She didn't read the resume, to find out
what skills she is throwing away. That gives you some idea, of the opinion
of HR to the state of the tech workers. Even if there were old farts
sitting around typing posts to USENEt, you would not hire them, because... their resume was already thrown in the garbage :-) None of you
should be particularly surprised by this. Seeing the barrier yet ?
Seeing how difficult it is to bootstrap anything ? That's why my
estimate is, it would take twenty years effort to even get close
to rebuilding an industry. No business man is that patient. Sorry.

Paul
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bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

Whoever did whatever in South Africa never did, never will, and
certainly doesn't define what is meant by any term elsewhere and that
includes 'illegal alien'. Illegal = unauthorised, unlawful; alien =
foreign, potentially hostile. Nothing complicated really i.e. a squatter >>>from elsewhere as would be someone who just waltzes into your
living-room and pitches tent there uninvited.

Uh huh. You ever hear of Christopher Columbus?

Sure, far too much even; he was a paper christian if at all whom the
vatican was about to BBQ so he quickly found himself a sweetheart deal
with the spanish queen to get the fuck outta Dodge and just in time.

Was he born in the
Americas? Or did he just declare land to be the property of Spain,
without any rational basis? What the fuck do you think crackers
coming here were, if not "illegal immigrants"?

What DECIDED whom the land belonged to was the size of the Spanish navy, >also the British, the French, and the German to name the top guns. When
did you get off the boat?

Just because the
indigenous people hadn't created a system of government to make a law,
against their arrival? Despite the fact whities massacred indigenous
people, to gain territory here?

Laws without power mean didley shit, but who was talking about the USA?
What is it with Americans that unless someone specifically says 'this is
not about the USA' they always think that everyone on usenet is by
default thinking and talking about them? The illegal migrant problem is
at crisis levels in Europe for example, far worse than stateside.

Wake the fuck up.

Land is like a woman, belongs to the last man standing subject only to
her wanting any of him regardless. There is no ancestral 'right' that I
know of or would accept.

You're a fucking pig.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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On 2024-10-24 4:44 p.m., bad sector wrote:

On 10/24/24 13:30, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-24 11:56 a.m., Paul wrote:

On Wed, 10/23/2024 10:06 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

This statement demonstrates how much progressives care about the
people being enslaved in foreign countries ...

Once you offshore, THERE IS NO TURNING BACK.

Only if you don't care about your people. I am a nationalist so my own
people will always come first.

You don't even have to be a nationalist, motherboards and gpu's (some research, automated printed circuit production and little more) costing $1000 up are well within domestic margins as it is. It's just a question
of someone taking a swipe at it and THEN (because offshore WILL start slashing prices if challenged) sticking to a strategic PLAN.

If that is indeed the case, I am all in favour of it. It's time for the
West to stop trying to raise lifestyles in foreign countries at its own
peril.
--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On 10/25/24 00:37, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:05:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:

On 10/24/24 18:23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

Why is Taiwan the world capital for computer hardware? Because the
Government had the foresight to support private investment in hardware
manufacturing back in the 1980s, which didn’t fully pay off for close
to another decade. But when it did pay off, it effectively killed off
most PC hardware manufacturing in the US and elsewhere.

That money allowed them to cut prices ...

Where did they get the money from?

To me it doesn't matter because it was over there and not over here. The responsibility for protecting its own falls on sovereign governments so
when oriental cheap-labour combined with subsidies allowed them to
undercut then western governments should have countered not by
subsidising (you cannot cut out a hole) but by completely interdicting
those imports.


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On 2024-10-25, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

What I didn't mention, is we have none of the humans discussed above.
We have no skilled workers. Once their jobs were offshored, they
became Uber drivers and UPS delivery people. They're not coming back.
we don't have enough professors with the right backgrounds, to
teach a new generation of people. There is a long period
of rebuilding the industry.

No problem, the politicians have the answer: immigration.
Just bring in lots of skilled immigrants; they'll do everything
you need. You don't have to wait to educate your own people -
indeed, you can cut education funding and keep your natives in
that blessed state of ignorance so important to your power.

Consider a conversation I had with an HR person once, over a beer.
we were joking about something, and she tells me "when the resumes
come in, if a tech worker has been out of work for a year, I just
throw out their resume". She didn't read the resume, to find out
what skills she is throwing away. That gives you some idea, of the opinion
of HR to the state of the tech workers. Even if there were old farts
sitting around typing posts to USENEt, you would not hire them, because... their resume was already thrown in the garbage :-) None of you
should be particularly surprised by this. Seeing the barrier yet ?
Seeing how difficult it is to bootstrap anything ? That's why my
estimate is, it would take twenty years effort to even get close
to rebuilding an industry. No business man is that patient. Sorry.

It's so sad that HR departments spend so much time and effort
looking for someone with a highly-specific set of skills that
exactly matches their needs, rather than hiring people who can
quickly learn the skills necessary for not only the current
project but also the next one.
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as the
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | first society that wouldn't save
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | itself because it wasn't cost-
/ \ if you read it the right way. | effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut
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On Fri, 10/25/2024 1:32 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

It's so sad that HR departments spend so much time and effort
looking for someone with a highly-specific set of skills that
exactly matches their needs, rather than hiring people who can
quickly learn the skills necessary for not only the current
project but also the next one.

That is partly to save money. The individuals are supposed
to be instantly productive. They're "interchangeable parts".
One drops dead, use the same precise spec, off you go again.

And you can do that in mature industries.

If you were building an AI team today, I bet you would use a different set of criteria for that. "Do you have any experiences at all, whatsoever
in AI?" would be the kind of question they would ask. And they
would mop up the candidates who even remotely resembled that role.
There would not be a line on the requisition "Must know Microsoft Office", which is a popular bit of silliness.

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On 10/25/24 05:43, Joel wrote:

bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

Whoever did whatever in South Africa never did, never will, and
certainly doesn't define what is meant by any term elsewhere and that
includes 'illegal alien'. Illegal = unauthorised, unlawful; alien =
foreign, potentially hostile. Nothing complicated really i.e. a squatter >>> >from elsewhere as would be someone who just waltzes into your
living-room and pitches tent there uninvited.

Uh huh. You ever hear of Christopher Columbus?

Sure, far too much even; he was a paper christian if at all whom the
vatican was about to BBQ so he quickly found himself a sweetheart deal
with the spanish queen to get the fuck outta Dodge and just in time.

Was he born in the
Americas? Or did he just declare land to be the property of Spain,
without any rational basis? What the fuck do you think crackers
coming here were, if not "illegal immigrants"?

What DECIDED whom the land belonged to was the size of the Spanish navy,
also the British, the French, and the German to name the top guns. When
did you get off the boat?

Just because the
indigenous people hadn't created a system of government to make a law,
against their arrival? Despite the fact whities massacred indigenous
people, to gain territory here?

Laws without power mean didley shit, but who was talking about the USA?
What is it with Americans that unless someone specifically says 'this is
not about the USA' they always think that everyone on usenet is by
default thinking and talking about them? The illegal migrant problem is
at crisis levels in Europe for example, far worse than stateside.

Wake the fuck up.

Land is like a woman, belongs to the last man standing subject only to
her wanting any of him regardless. There is no ancestral 'right' that I
know of or would accept.

You're a fucking pig.

Wow, ad-hominem, whadda man! I knew about and admired first nations long before you got to the point of desperately gasping for a pinhole in your
old man's condom. They did have laws and rules and they certainly did
put up a valiant fight, but they lost. So called ancestral rights cannot
be a basis for the simple reason that records don't go back to Adam and
Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice is virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be negotiation,
war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of which.





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On 25/10/2024 22:33, bad sector wrote:
records don't go back to Adam and

Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice is virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be negotiation,
war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of which.

This is why it is far better to simply kill all the menfolk and use the
women folk for sex slaves.

No one is left to pay reparations to...
--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

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On 10/25/24 17:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 25/10/2024 22:33, bad sector wrote:
records don't go back to Adam and

Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice is
virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be negotiation,
war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of which.

This is why it is far better to simply kill all the menfolk and use the women folk for sex slaves.

No one is left to pay reparations to...

Only one snag, they like hebrews and a few others trace descendence
through the mother. That said, there is much we could/should have
learned from them: "Taking only what you need on your journey, otherwise
leave the land as you had found it". Haitians have clear-cut the
mountains and the rains have washed all the soil off them. No tree will
EVER grow there again.
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:25:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

If I did that today, the teenager watching TikTok vids on his phone
would look up and say "what is solder?".

*Ahem* ... that particular example could be due to how you were
pronouncing it ...

... you know, “sole-der” versus “saw-der” ...

Consider a conversation I had with an HR person once, over a beer.
we were joking about something, and she tells me "when the resumes come
in, if a tech worker has been out of work for a year, I just throw out
their resume". She didn't read the resume, to find out what skills she
is throwing away. That gives you some idea, of the opinion of HR to the
state of the tech workers.

HR have long been infamous for howlers like demanding 3 years’ experience
in a technology that only came out the previous year ...
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:32:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

No problem, the politicians have the answer: immigration.

In countries where the native birth rate is below replacement level, the choice is either between encouraging immigration, or suffering the greying
of your entire populace.
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On 25/10/2024 23:09, bad sector wrote:

On 10/25/24 17:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 25/10/2024 22:33, bad sector wrote:
records don't go back to Adam and

Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice is
virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be
negotiation, war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of which. >>>

This is why it is far better to simply kill all the menfolk and use
the women folk for sex slaves.

No one is left to pay reparations to...

Only one snag, they like hebrews and a few others trace descendence
through the mother.

A clear case of making the women adopt a culture that doesn't

That said, there is much we could/should have
learned from them: "Taking only what you need on your journey, otherwise leave the land as you had found it". Haitians have clear-cut the
mountains and the rains have washed all the soil off them. No tree will
EVER grow there again.

Well that of course is plan juvenile.
We did that years ago in Britain to build ships with.
The trees however are recovering pretty well
--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

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On 10/25/24 20:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 25/10/2024 23:09, bad sector wrote:

On 10/25/24 17:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 25/10/2024 22:33, bad sector wrote:
records don't go back to Adam and

Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice
is virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be
negotiation, war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of
which.

This is why it is far better to simply kill all the menfolk and use
the women folk for sex slaves.

No one is left to pay reparations to...

Only one snag, they like hebrews and a few others trace descendence
through the mother.

A clear case of making the women adopt a culture that doesn't

That said, there is much we could/should have learned from them:
"Taking only what you need on your journey, otherwise leave the land
as you had found it". Haitians have clear-cut the mountains and the
rains have washed all the soil off them. No tree will EVER grow there
again.

Well that of course is plan juvenile.
We did that years ago in Britain to build ships with.

Not only in Britain, Quebec was "150 foot tall white pines as far as the
eye could see". Then your navy requisitioned AND harvested them all for
ship masts while no Quebecer had a right to touch them.

The trees however are recovering pretty well

Trees don't grow on barren rock, reread your sig :-)
--
In 10,000 years we have consumed 3/4 of the trees since coming out of
the last ice age, going from some 30 trillion huge trees to 15 trillion toothpicks good only to cut 2x4's! This gives some sense of the dioxide absorbing greenery and capacity-destruction but if we look for the
actual amount of wood and branches then we find 4 and 6 inch trunks
where 4 FOOTERS once were! I suspect that in terms of board-feet or
foliage we have destroyed over 80%. No need to look at Brazil for
examples of the devastation, see here
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47679859072_c59d2aef84_z.jpg
https://mashable-evaporation-wordpress.s3.amazonaws.com/2015/12/lumber-10.jpg
http://www.ancientforest.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/I00279241-451x600.jpg
http://www.ameriquefrancaise.org/en/article-574/Saving_the_American_White_Pine.html
for an idea of what north american forests were like before our race of locusts robbed it from the care of first-nations. Harvesting on public
(crown i.e. people's) land should require a % of very large trunk sizes harvested, thus effectively limiting the cut when those have been over-rarified. In addition every human being should be charged with the planting of 1 tree per month throughout his or her life (say 1000 trees
per person), such being the TRUE SCOPE of what we have allowed
bean-counters and money-changers to do to our spaceship home.
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:07:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 25/10/2024 23:09, bad sector wrote:

On 10/25/24 17:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 25/10/2024 22:33, bad sector wrote:
records don't go back to Adam and

Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice is
virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be
negotiation, war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of
which.

This is why it is far better to simply kill all the menfolk and use
the women folk for sex slaves.

No one is left to pay reparations to...

Only one snag, they like hebrews and a few others trace descendence
through the mother.

A clear case of making the women adopt a culture that doesn't

That said, there is much we could/should have learned from them:
"Taking only what you need on your journey, otherwise leave the land as
you had found it". Haitians have clear-cut the mountains and the rains
have washed all the soil off them. No tree will EVER grow there again.

Well that of course is plan juvenile.
We did that years ago in Britain to build ships with.
The trees however are recovering pretty well

It rains quite often on Britain, doesn't it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_Culture_National_Historical_Park#/ media/File:DSC_5948-w.jpg

This is the entire article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_Culture_National_Historical_Park

"The cohesive Chacoan system began unravelling around 1140, perhaps
triggered by an extreme fifty-year drought that began in 1130;[28] chronic climatic instability, including a series of severe droughts, again struck
the region between 1250 and 1450.[29] Poor water management led to arroyo cutting; deforestation was extensive and economically devastating:[30][31]
[32] timber for construction had to be hauled instead from outlying
mountain ranges such as the Chuska mountains, which are more than 50 miles
(80 km) to the west.[33] Outlying communities began to depopulate and, by
the end of the century, the buildings in the central canyon had been
neatly sealed and abandoned.[citation needed]"

600 years, give or take, and there's not much more than brush. Even in
this area where the average annual total precipitation is 14", there are
many clear cut areas where the new pine growth is chest high. I frequently hike in an area that burned in 2003 and there is little or no new growth.

In the US west there are many examples of overgrazing in the 19th century
that resulted in sagebrush wastelands.



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On 2024-10-25, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

There would not be a line on the requisition "Must know Microsoft Office", which is a popular bit of silliness.

Then there were the ads in 1997 calling for people with
5 years' experience in Windows 95...
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as the
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | first society that wouldn't save
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | itself because it wasn't cost-
/ \ if you read it the right way. | effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 04:38:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2024-10-25, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

There would not be a line on the requisition "Must know Microsoft
Office",
which is a popular bit of silliness.

Then there were the ads in 1997 calling for people with 5 years'
experience in Windows 95...

My favorites were the ads in the Boston Sunday Globe in the early '80s
looking for several years of Ada experience. At the time there wasn't a working Ada compiler.

We never paid attention to the ads HR would place for programmers until
one interviewee asked about the requirements like 'able to run copier'
that they had cut'n'pasted from their office drone template.

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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 20:38:47 -0400, bad sector wrote:

Not only in Britain, Quebec was "150 foot tall white pines as far as the
eye could see". Then your navy requisitioned AND harvested them all for
ship masts while no Quebecer had a right to touch them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Tree_Riot

The people of New Hampshire disputed that. I enjoyed living there until it started drifting left and I sought greener pastures.
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On 10/22/24 8:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 8:00 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:18:00 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?

Strange. I thought you wanted to take jobs away from those running those
manufacturing lines in the third world. Now you’re trying to sympathize
with them as “slave labour”?

Do you purposefully misunderstand what you read? It is very clear that
the labour being used to produce less expensive computers is slave
labour. I have _always_ been in favour of products being sold in the
West being produced in the West. I would _never_ advocate for anything
sold here to be manufactured anywhere else, especially since it turns
out to be slave labour.

With Linux, it's less "slave" labor as "dedicated volunteer"
labor.


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On 10/26/24 1:38 AM, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 04:38:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2024-10-25, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

There would not be a line on the requisition "Must know Microsoft
Office",
which is a popular bit of silliness.

Then there were the ads in 1997 calling for people with 5 years'
experience in Windows 95...

My favorites were the ads in the Boston Sunday Globe in the early '80s looking for several years of Ada experience. At the time there wasn't a working Ada compiler.

We never paid attention to the ads HR would place for programmers until
one interviewee asked about the requirements like 'able to run copier'
that they had cut'n'pasted from their office drone template.

Hilarious !

Only programmers know programming. All other pretenders
just fuck it up. LOTS of pretenders these days.

Makes 'em FEEL important though !

Oh, I wonder how many DID claim years of experience
with the non-existent DOD Ada compiler ??? The Bosses
would not have had a CLUE ........ :-)
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On 10/26/24 02:38, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 20:38:47 -0400, bad sector wrote:

Not only in Britain, Quebec was "150 foot tall white pines as far as the
eye could see". Then your navy requisitioned AND harvested them all for
ship masts while no Quebecer had a right to touch them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Tree_Riot

The people of New Hampshire disputed that. I enjoyed living there until it started drifting left and I sought greener pastures.

What I didn't know until a few years ago when I looked deeper into it is
that the Co2 absorbed by the leaves is then STORED in the wood so the trillions of six foot diameter trunks all over the place stored vast
amounts of dioxide. Gone. My wife's paternal grandfather remembered
that in winter they would ignore the roads burried in snow and would
move about on horse-drawn sleighs "beelining through the forests under
the branches of hundred footers". Gone. Personally I've surpassed my own thousand-per-person standard, now approching 1200 planted.


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On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 08:47:01 -0400, bad sector wrote:

The responsibility for protecting its own falls on sovereign governments
so when oriental cheap-labour combined with subsidies allowed them to undercut then western governments should have countered not by
subsidising (you cannot cut out a hole) but by completely interdicting
those imports.

That’s how things used to be done in the bad old days, when most of the “consumer” goods we take for granted were rare and expensive luxuries that could be afforded only by the rich. That is, where they existed at all.

Do you really want to go back to those days?
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On 2024-10-26 3:32 a.m., 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

On 10/22/24 8:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2024-10-22 8:00 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:18:00 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

So you're in favour of slave labour because you can get your hobby
computer for less?

Strange. I thought you wanted to take jobs away from those running those >>> manufacturing lines in the third world. Now you’re trying to sympathize >>> with them as “slave labour”?

Do you purposefully misunderstand what you read? It is very clear that
the labour being used to produce less expensive computers is slave
labour. I have _always_ been in favour of products being sold in the
West being produced in the West. I would _never_ advocate for anything
sold here to be manufactured anywhere else, especially since it turns
out to be slave labour.

  With Linux, it's less "slave" labor as "dedicated volunteer"
  labor.

What the volunteers have been able to accomplish is quite impressive,
either way.
--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:27:34 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

What the volunteers have been able to accomplish is quite impressive,
either way.

And Torvalds has to bear his share of credit (or blame, if you prefer) for that.
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:27:34 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

What the volunteers have been able to accomplish is quite impressive,
either way.

And Torvalds has to bear his share of credit (or blame, if you prefer) for >that.

Linus is a *god*, he'd literally have to murder someone for me to lose
any respect for him. The world owes him more than can be repaid.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 18:34:34 -0400, bad sector wrote:

On 10/26/24 16:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 08:47:01 -0400, bad sector wrote:

The responsibility for protecting its own falls on sovereign
governments so when oriental cheap-labour combined with subsidies
allowed them to undercut then western governments should have
countered not by subsidising (you cannot cut out a hole) but by
completely interdicting those imports.

That’s how things used to be done in the bad old days, when most of the
“consumer” goods we take for granted were rare and expensive luxuries
that could be afforded only by the rich. That is, where they existed at
all.

Do you really want to go back to those days?

Probably, people were DIY qualified then.

You want to set up a school where those of a mechanical bent can go to
learn how to put together an Iphone from basic raw materials? Master the
art of doing surface-mount soldering by hand? Assemble a billion-
transistor chip from raw silicon? Join the layers of a phone camera sensor using nothing more than a glue gun and tweezers, perhaps? Test the results with a multimeter that they learn to build by hand as part of the course?

Inquiring minds would like to know.
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