• Primary fermentation

    From Bryon Lape@noone@yahoo.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sat Mar 21 20:46:39 2009
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    When doing primary fermentation, which do you prefer: air-lock or blow off tube?
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  • From Government Shill #2@gov.shill@gmail.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sun Mar 22 18:56:29 2009
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    On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:46:39 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com> wrote:

    When doing primary fermentation, which do you prefer: air-lock or blow off >tube?

    Neither.

    I take the large o-ring out of the screw on lid and use that to secure a
    piece of plastic wrap across the top of the fermenter. No hassles.
    air-locks are a pain in the arse and a blow off tube is not much better.

    --
    Shill #2

    24 beers in a carton. 24 hours in a day. Hmm...?
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  • From The Nomad@nomad@the.desert.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sun Mar 22 14:10:01 2009
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    On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:56:29 +0100, Government Shill #2 wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:46:39 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com> wrote:

    When doing primary fermentation, which do you prefer: air-lock or blow
    off tube?

    Neither.

    I take the large o-ring out of the screw on lid and use that to secure a piece of plastic wrap across the top of the fermenter. No hassles.
    air-locks are a pain in the arse and a blow off tube is not much better.

    Or...
    none at all, I use an open bucket as the yeast is a top fermenter it
    makes its own lid, when over and gravity has stopped dropping (3-5 days)
    it goes in a plastic barrel (king Keg) to condition/clear/mature then I
    bottle - easy (well sometimes)
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  • From Government Shill #2@gov.shill@gmail.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sun Mar 22 20:21:53 2009
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    On 22 Mar 2009 14:10:01 -0500, The Nomad <nomad@the.desert.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:56:29 +0100, Government Shill #2 wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:46:39 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com> wrote:

    When doing primary fermentation, which do you prefer: air-lock or blow >>>off tube?

    Neither.

    I take the large o-ring out of the screw on lid and use that to secure a
    piece of plastic wrap across the top of the fermenter. No hassles.
    air-locks are a pain in the arse and a blow off tube is not much better.

    Or...
    none at all, I use an open bucket as the yeast is a top fermenter it
    makes its own lid, when over and gravity has stopped dropping (3-5 days)
    it goes in a plastic barrel (king Keg) to condition/clear/mature then I >bottle - easy (well sometimes)

    Yeah, well, the plastic keeps bits out of it, but... why not?

    Even easier is to put it into a post-mix soda keg and shove it into a
    fridge. Drink in three days after it's carbonated from your CO2 bottle.

    --
    Shill #2

    24 beers in a carton. 24 hours in a day. Hmm...?
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  • From Bryon Lape@noone@yahoo.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sun Mar 22 23:01:20 2009
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    Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in news:1rucs41v76h13hrson1gf2k7cdhcoppss0@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:46:39 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    When doing primary fermentation, which do you prefer: air-lock or blow
    off tube?

    Neither.

    I take the large o-ring out of the screw on lid and use that to secure
    a piece of plastic wrap across the top of the fermenter. No hassles. air-locks are a pain in the arse and a blow off tube is not much
    better.

    --
    Shill #2

    24 beers in a carton. 24 hours in a day. Hmm...?


    I don't think I follow.
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  • From Government Shill #2@gov.shill@gmail.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Mon Mar 23 07:10:44 2009
    From Newsgroup: alt.beer.home-brewing

    On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:01:20 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in >news:1rucs41v76h13hrson1gf2k7cdhcoppss0@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:46:39 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    When doing primary fermentation, which do you prefer: air-lock or blow >>>off tube?

    Neither.

    I take the large o-ring out of the screw on lid and use that to secure
    a piece of plastic wrap across the top of the fermenter. No hassles.
    air-locks are a pain in the arse and a blow off tube is not much
    better.

    --
    Shill #2

    24 beers in a carton. 24 hours in a day. Hmm...?


    I don't think I follow.


    Like this http://s462.photobucket.com/albums/qq341/govshill/?action=view&current=lookin.jpg

    --
    Shill #2

    24 beers in a carton. 24 hours in a day. Hmm...?
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  • From Bryon Lape@noone@yahoo.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Mon Mar 23 06:46:12 2009
    From Newsgroup: alt.beer.home-brewing

    Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in news:0t9es49ncm4bq1tivepf7qq47re034g1kb@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:01:20 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in >>news:1rucs41v76h13hrson1gf2k7cdhcoppss0@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:46:39 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    When doing primary fermentation, which do you prefer: air-lock or
    blow off tube?

    Neither.

    I take the large o-ring out of the screw on lid and use that to
    secure a piece of plastic wrap across the top of the fermenter. No
    hassles. air-locks are a pain in the arse and a blow off tube is not
    much better.


    I don't think I follow.


    Like this http://s462.photobucket.com/albums/qq341/govshill/?action=view&current= lookin.jpg


    So no C02 goes out? Does this carbonate at the same time?
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  • From Government Shill #2@gov.shill@gmail.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Mon Mar 23 17:47:00 2009
    From Newsgroup: alt.beer.home-brewing

    On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:46:12 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in >news:0t9es49ncm4bq1tivepf7qq47re034g1kb@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:01:20 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in >>>news:1rucs41v76h13hrson1gf2k7cdhcoppss0@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:46:39 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    When doing primary fermentation, which do you prefer: air-lock or >>>>>blow off tube?

    Neither.

    I take the large o-ring out of the screw on lid and use that to
    secure a piece of plastic wrap across the top of the fermenter. No
    hassles. air-locks are a pain in the arse and a blow off tube is not
    much better.


    I don't think I follow.


    Like this
    http://s462.photobucket.com/albums/qq341/govshill/?action=view&current=
    lookin.jpg


    So no C02 goes out? Does this carbonate at the same time?

    The CO2 escapes under the o-ring. It's not a perfect seal. The plastic is
    just there to stop stuff falling in. The brew is protected from the
    elements mostly by the layer of CO2 sitting on top of the brew. You can
    also put *one* pin hole in the plastic if you want to. I used to do that,
    but I don't bother anymore. No it doesn't carbonate it. I put the finished
    brew into a 20 litre post-mix keg for that.

    When it's going flat out the gas coming off makes the plastic bow up like
    this:

    http://s462.photobucket.com/albums/qq341/govshill/?action=view&current=P1010254.jpg


    This is the beer fridge with kegs:

    http://s462.photobucket.com/albums/qq341/govshill/?action=view&current=PC110103.jpg

    The scale is under the keg so that I know when it's getting near empty.

    --
    Shill #2

    Homer no function beer well without.
    Homer J. Simpson
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  • From Ranger Steve@polaski.steve@gmail.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Tue Mar 24 12:22:36 2009
    From Newsgroup: alt.beer.home-brewing

    On Mar 23, 9:47 am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:46:12 -0400, Bryon Lape <no...@yahoo.com> wrote: >Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in >news:0t9es49ncm4bq1tivepf7qq47re034g1kb@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:01:20 -0400, Bryon Lape <no...@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in >>>news:1rucs41v76h13hrson1gf2k7cdhcoppss0@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:46:39 -0400, Bryon Lape <no...@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    When doing primary fermentation, which do you prefer: air-lock or >>>>>blow off tube?

    Neither.

    I take the large o-ring out of the screw on lid and use that to
    secure a piece of plastic wrap across the top of the fermenter. No
    hassles. air-locks are a pain in the arse and a blow off tube is not >>>> much better.

    I don't think I follow.

    Like this >>http://s462.photobucket.com/albums/qq341/govshill/?action=view&current=
    lookin.jpg

    So no C02 goes out?  Does this carbonate at the same time?

    The CO2 escapes under the o-ring. It's not a perfect seal. The plastic is just there to stop stuff falling in. The brew is protected from the
    elements mostly by the layer of CO2 sitting on top of the brew. You can
    also put *one* pin hole in the plastic if you want to. I used to do that,
    but I don't bother anymore. No it doesn't carbonate it. I put the finished brew into a 20 litre post-mix keg for that.

    When it's going flat out the gas coming off makes the plastic bow up like this:

    http://s462.photobucket.com/albums/qq341/govshill/?action=view&curren...

    This is the beer fridge with kegs:

    http://s462.photobucket.com/albums/qq341/govshill/?action=view&curren...

    The scale is under the keg so that I know when it's getting near empty.

    --
    Shill #2

    Homer no function beer well without.
     Homer J. Simpson
    If you do primary in a carboy a blow-off tube is a good idea. There
    are tales of airlocks getting jammed with hops and crud and enough
    pressure building in the carboy to cause it burst or shoot a beer
    geyser up to the ceiling.
    Best case it makes a big mess (which I had happen once or twice)
    Steve
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  • From Bryon Lape@noone@yahoo.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Tue Mar 24 23:20:37 2009
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    Quite interesting. What's the highest gravity beer you've done with this method?
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  • From Government Shill #2@gov.shill@gmail.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Wed Mar 25 07:13:44 2009
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    On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:20:37 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Quite interesting. What's the highest gravity beer you've done with this >method?

    Me?

    My database says a 1050.

    --
    Shill #2

    To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
    Homer J. Simpson
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  • From Bertie Doe@montebrasite4@ntl.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Mon Mar 30 22:59:02 2009
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    "Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:dnijs4l640lppi5d8femgsj1v64v5pev7m@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:20:37 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Quite interesting. What's the highest gravity beer you've done with this >>method?

    Me?

    My database says a 1050.

    That's quite high, what brew was it and what was the final sg?
    Bertie

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  • From Government Shill #2@gov.shill@gmail.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Tue Mar 31 07:03:17 2009
    From Newsgroup: alt.beer.home-brewing

    On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:59:02 +0100, "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com>
    wrote:


    "Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message >news:dnijs4l640lppi5d8femgsj1v64v5pev7m@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:20:37 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Quite interesting. What's the highest gravity beer you've done with this >>>method?

    Me?

    My database says a 1050.

    That's quite high, what brew was it and what was the final sg?
    Bertie

    Again the database tells me it was a Coopers Stout kit. Actually two
    Coopers kits combined. Nothing else added. Final sg 1014. Volume 19 litres
    (for putting into a post mix keg).

    --
    Shill #2

    24 beers in a carton. 24 hours in a day. Hmm...?
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  • From Bertie Doe@montebrasite4@ntl.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Tue Mar 31 09:59:50 2009
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    "Government Shill #2" < wrote in message
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:59:02 +0100, "Bertie Doe" > wrote:

    Quite interesting. What's the highest gravity beer you've done with >>>>this
    method?

    Me?

    My database says a 1050.

    That's quite high, what brew was it and what was the final sg?
    Bertie

    Again the database tells me it was a Coopers Stout kit. Actually two
    Coopers kits combined. Nothing else added. Final sg 1014. Volume 19 litres (for putting into a post mix keg).

    About 5% that's ideal strength (for me). Over the years, I've tried a few stout kits, but found that the mouthfeel was a bit thin compared to a good
    pub draught. I hadn't thought of using 2 concentrates and holding the sugar.

    I like Coopers standard larger, haven't tried their 'heretage' larger yet.
    I'm trying Young's for the first time. I started a 'harvest pilsner' on Thursday at 20C, still fairly active.


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  • From Bryon Lape@noone@yahoo.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Tue Mar 31 22:10:16 2009
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    "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com> wrote in news:73ctl9Fuhm7jU1@mid.individual.net:


    "Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:dnijs4l640lppi5d8femgsj1v64v5pev7m@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:20:37 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Quite interesting. What's the highest gravity beer you've done with
    this method?

    Me?

    My database says a 1050.

    That's quite high, what brew was it and what was the final sg?
    Bertie



    That's high? The OG for the Irish Red I have in the primary 1.064. That's about average for me.
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  • From Bertie Doe@montebrasite4@ntl.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Wed Apr 1 10:42:55 2009
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    "Bryon Lape" <noone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com> wrote in
    :


    "Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:dnijs4l640lppi5d8femgsj1v64v5pev7m@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:20:37 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Quite interesting. What's the highest gravity beer you've done with >>>>this method?

    Me?

    My database says a 1050.

    That's quite high, what brew was it and what was the final sg?
    Bertie

    That's high? The OG for the Irish Red I have in the primary 1.064.
    That's
    about average for me.

    Do you get close to 1.000 FG on that one? Is Irish Red a recipe or a concentrate kit?


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  • From Bryon Lape@noone@yahoo.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Wed Apr 1 20:10:23 2009
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    "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com> wrote in news:73gr92Futbo1U1 @mid.individual.net:


    "Bryon Lape" <noone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com> wrote in
    :


    "Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:dnijs4l640lppi5d8femgsj1v64v5pev7m@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:20:37 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Quite interesting. What's the highest gravity beer you've done with >>>>>this method?

    Me?

    My database says a 1050.

    That's quite high, what brew was it and what was the final sg?
    Bertie

    That's high? The OG for the Irish Red I have in the primary 1.064.
    That's
    about average for me.

    Do you get close to 1.000 FG on that one? Is Irish Red a recipe or a concentrate kit?


    Recipe, but I do still use extract malt.

    http://greycorner.com/~brainmuffin/deepredale.html

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  • From Bertie Doe@montebrasite4@ntl.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Thu Apr 2 09:01:10 2009
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    "Bryon Lape" wrote in message
    "Bertie Doe" wrote

    Do you get close to 1.000 FG on that one? Is Irish Red a recipe or a
    concentrate kit?


    Recipe, but I do still use extract malt.

    http://greycorner.com/~brainmuffin/deepredale.html


    Thanks Bryon, saved to favs'.
    Bertie
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  • From Bryon Lape@noone@yahoo.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Thu Apr 2 06:47:47 2009
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    "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com> wrote in news:73j9m8FvadppU1 @mid.individual.net:


    "Bryon Lape" wrote in message
    "Bertie Doe" wrote

    Do you get close to 1.000 FG on that one? Is Irish Red a recipe or a
    concentrate kit?


    Recipe, but I do still use extract malt.

    http://greycorner.com/~brainmuffin/deepredale.html


    Thanks Bryon, saved to favs'.
    Bertie


    No problem. I'll let you know how it turns out. So far, it smells
    great in the fermentor and it is nice and hoppy. I'll also update if I
    make any changes.

    I am also trying to formulate a barley wine. This is what is in my
    secondary at the moment:

    http://greycorner.com/~brainmuffin/hoppybarleywine.html

    Though mine is 15 lbs of extact as my local homebrew supply place makes
    their own and the fermentable ratio is 7/9. 12# is DME. The OG on this
    was 1.133. I took a reading last week and it was 1.040. This gives an
    ABV of about 12.3%. It is still fermenting with air bubbling out the
    airlock about once ever 12 seconds. And while I am in the shameless self-promotion area:

    http://brainmuffinbeer.blogspot.com/

    I've been asked by friends to develop these two, as well as an oatmeal
    stout. So, I'm ready many recipes and putting things together that I
    like. About 12 years ago I used to brew quite a bit. I still have my equipment and books from back then, but I haven't been able to find my
    notes. I did have a really good stout, now I am trying to rediscover it.
    Oh the fun.

    Keep on brewing.
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  • From Bertie Doe@montebrasite4@ntl.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Thu Apr 2 23:35:30 2009
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    "Bryon Lape" <wrote in message
    I am also trying to formulate a barley wine. This is what is in my
    secondary at the moment:

    http://greycorner.com/~brainmuffin/hoppybarleywine.html


    Went to a friend's tasting evening, homemade Guiness and also Barley wine. A deadly combination, there were quite a few casualties.

    Though mine is 15 lbs of extact as my local homebrew supply place makes
    their own and the fermentable ratio is 7/9. 12# is DME. The OG on this
    was 1.133. I took a reading last week and it was 1.040. This gives an
    ABV of about 12.3%. It is still fermenting with air bubbling out the
    airlock about once ever 12 seconds. And while I am in the shameless self-promotion area:

    http://brainmuffinbeer.blogspot.com/


    Irish moss?? that has me confused. I assume it's not used as a filtering medium?




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  • From Bryon Lape@noone@yahoo.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Fri Apr 3 19:11:31 2009
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    "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com> wrote in news:73kstkFvdm8aU1@mid.individual.net:


    "Bryon Lape" <wrote in message
    I am also trying to formulate a barley wine. This is what is in my
    secondary at the moment:

    http://greycorner.com/~brainmuffin/hoppybarleywine.html


    Went to a friend's tasting evening, homemade Guiness and also Barley
    wine. A deadly combination, there were quite a few casualties.

    Though mine is 15 lbs of extact as my local homebrew supply place
    makes their own and the fermentable ratio is 7/9. 12# is DME. The
    OG on this was 1.133. I took a reading last week and it was 1.040.
    This gives an ABV of about 12.3%. It is still fermenting with air
    bubbling out the airlock about once ever 12 seconds. And while I am
    in the shameless self-promotion area:

    http://brainmuffinbeer.blogspot.com/


    Irish moss?? that has me confused. I assume it's not used as a
    filtering medium?


    Used to help clear up the beer. Put in last 15 minutes of boil.

    http://www.listermann.com/Store/Details.asp?ID=262

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  • From Bertie Doe@montebrasite4@ntl.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sat Apr 4 09:55:40 2009
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    "Bryon Lape" < wrote in message
    "Bertie Doe" < wrote in


    http://brainmuffinbeer.blogspot.com/


    Irish moss?? that has me confused. I assume it's not used as a
    filtering medium?


    Used to help clear up the beer. Put in last 15 minutes of boil.

    http://www.listermann.com/Store/Details.asp?ID=262


    That's not a bad price, I guess you get 8 to 10 shots from 1oz. Don't know whether it's available in the Uk. Sadly I'm a bit lazy ref homebrew and most of my efforts have been via kits of concentrate - they have improved a lot over time..


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  • From Bryon Lape@noone@yahoo.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sat Apr 4 08:13:51 2009
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    "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com> wrote in news:73olkeF104fsjU1@mid.individual.net:


    "Bryon Lape" < wrote in message
    "Bertie Doe" < wrote in


    http://brainmuffinbeer.blogspot.com/


    Irish moss?? that has me confused. I assume it's not used as a
    filtering medium?


    Used to help clear up the beer. Put in last 15 minutes of boil.

    http://www.listermann.com/Store/Details.asp?ID=262


    That's not a bad price, I guess you get 8 to 10 shots from 1oz. Don't
    know whether it's available in the Uk. Sadly I'm a bit lazy ref
    homebrew and most of my efforts have been via kits of concentrate -
    they have improved a lot over time..


    As long as you like what you make, it doesn't matter what you use. Many
    full grain brewers find it hard to believe that I've not made that step.
    But I've yet to justify all that extra work and expense. Maybe someday
    I'll do full grain, but for now I'll stick with extracts.
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  • From Government Shill #2@gov.shill@gmail.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sat Apr 4 18:34:35 2009
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    On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:13:51 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com> wrote:

    "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com> wrote in >news:73olkeF104fsjU1@mid.individual.net:


    "Bryon Lape" < wrote in message
    "Bertie Doe" < wrote in


    http://brainmuffinbeer.blogspot.com/


    Irish moss?? that has me confused. I assume it's not used as a
    filtering medium?


    Used to help clear up the beer. Put in last 15 minutes of boil.

    http://www.listermann.com/Store/Details.asp?ID=262


    That's not a bad price, I guess you get 8 to 10 shots from 1oz. Don't
    know whether it's available in the Uk. Sadly I'm a bit lazy ref
    homebrew and most of my efforts have been via kits of concentrate -
    they have improved a lot over time..


    As long as you like what you make, it doesn't matter what you use.



    Exactly!



    Many
    full grain brewers find it hard to believe that I've not made that step. >But I've yet to justify all that extra work and expense. Maybe someday
    I'll do full grain, but for now I'll stick with extracts.


    Me too. Beer is for drinking. I spend enough time making it with kits. And
    the results are fine, fine, fine. Much better than factory beer. I use
    kits, don't bother with secondary fermenters, or finings etc, gave up on bottles, use kegs, and enjoy every drop.

    I also appreciate that there are people who have different goals for their hobby. They can go through all of the extra motions. Good for them. I hope
    they don't forget to have fun. Relax and have a home brew.

    --
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    To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
    Homer J. Simpson
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  • From Bertie Doe@montebrasite4@ntl.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sat Apr 4 22:50:14 2009
    From Newsgroup: alt.beer.home-brewing


    "Government Shill #2" wrote in message
    On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:13:51 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com> wrote:
    As long as you like what you make, it doesn't matter what you use.

    Exactly!


    Many
    full grain brewers find it hard to believe that I've not made that step. >>But I've yet to justify all that extra work and expense. Maybe someday >>I'll do full grain, but for now I'll stick with extracts.


    Me too. Beer is for drinking. I spend enough time making it with kits. And the results are fine, fine, fine. Much better than factory beer. I use
    kits, don't bother with secondary fermenters, or finings etc, gave up on bottles, use kegs, and enjoy every drop.

    I also appreciate that there are people who have different goals for their hobby. They can go through all of the extra motions. Good for them. I hope they don't forget to have fun. Relax and have a home brew.


    It's the same with breadmaking. There is the sourdough group, who make
    artisan breads, using natural yeasts in the flour, but may take 3 or 4 days
    to develop. The other group like myself, who use fresh or instant yeast
    (wham bam) who are less patient. But each method has it's own unique taste.

    Incidentally, ref your earlier thread reference to Coopers concentrates, did you see their 'sparkling beer' kit? Have you tried it? I once tried making Asti Spumanti, from an Italian white grape, but lost 90% of it, when the bottles exploded. Fortunately it happened in the garage.




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  • From Government Shill #2@gov.shill@gmail.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sun Apr 5 10:06:11 2009
    From Newsgroup: alt.beer.home-brewing

    On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:50:14 +0100, "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com>
    wrote:


    "Government Shill #2" wrote in message
    On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:13:51 -0400, Bryon Lape <noone@yahoo.com> wrote:
    As long as you like what you make, it doesn't matter what you use.

    Exactly!


    Many
    full grain brewers find it hard to believe that I've not made that step. >>>But I've yet to justify all that extra work and expense. Maybe someday >>>I'll do full grain, but for now I'll stick with extracts.


    Me too. Beer is for drinking. I spend enough time making it with kits. And >> the results are fine, fine, fine. Much better than factory beer. I use
    kits, don't bother with secondary fermenters, or finings etc, gave up on
    bottles, use kegs, and enjoy every drop.

    I also appreciate that there are people who have different goals for their >> hobby. They can go through all of the extra motions. Good for them. I hope >> they don't forget to have fun. Relax and have a home brew.


    It's the same with breadmaking. There is the sourdough group, who make >artisan breads, using natural yeasts in the flour, but may take 3 or 4 days >to develop. The other group like myself, who use fresh or instant yeast >(wham bam) who are less patient. But each method has it's own unique taste.

    Incidentally, ref your earlier thread reference to Coopers concentrates, did >you see their 'sparkling beer' kit? Have you tried it?


    No. I haven't yet. But I will.



    I once tried making
    Asti Spumanti, from an Italian white grape, but lost 90% of it, when the >bottles exploded. Fortunately it happened in the garage.


    Sounds like you might have bottle a bit early. Before the fermentation was complete. Either that or there was too much priming sugar in the bottles.
    That doesn't happen with kegs. I LOVE kegs. :-)

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    Homer no function beer well without.
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  • From Miles Bader@miles@gnu.org to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sun Apr 5 17:47:07 2009
    From Newsgroup: alt.beer.home-brewing

    "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com> writes:
    It's the same with breadmaking. There is the sourdough group, who make artisan breads, using natural yeasts in the flour, but may take 3 or 4
    days to develop. The other group like myself, who use fresh or instant
    yeast (wham bam) who are less patient. But each method has it's own
    unique taste.

    Where does keeping around a permanent sourdough-starter fall into that
    ...?

    [I used to use my flatmate's starter, which he had been keeping around
    for years, and it seemed basically almost as easy as using pre-packaged
    yeasts (and drop-dead delicious...)]

    -Miles

    p.s. sorry for the off-topic ... :)

    --
    Non-combatant, n. A dead Quaker.
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  • From Bertie Doe@montebrasite4@ntl.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sun Apr 5 22:35:32 2009
    From Newsgroup: alt.beer.home-brewing


    "Government Shill #2" < wrote in message >
    On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:50:14 +0100,
    "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com>
    wrote:

    Incidentally, ref your earlier thread reference to Coopers concentrates, >>did
    you see their 'sparkling beer' kit? Have you tried it?


    No. I haven't yet. But I will.


    I once tried making
    Asti Spumanti, from an Italian white grape, but lost 90% of it, when the >>bottles exploded. Fortunately it happened in the garage.


    Sounds like you might have bottle a bit early. Before the fermentation was complete. Either that or there was too much priming sugar in the bottles. That doesn't happen with kegs. I LOVE kegs. :-)


    Nah, in those days my wine-making kit comprised a 5 gallon carboy, an
    aquarium heater/stat and a pressure filter, which filtered a gallon in 4 minutes. CWE did a nice Italian white, which was a dead ringer for Asti. In
    my stupidity, I didn't realise Asti was a CO2 injection method. I collected loadsa Asti bottles from restaurants, not realising they weren't tough
    enough for secondary. The garage stank for months!!

    .


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  • From Bertie Doe@montebrasite4@ntl.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Sun Apr 5 22:43:09 2009
    From Newsgroup: alt.beer.home-brewing


    "Miles Bader" <miles@gnu.org> wrote in message
    "Bertie Doe" < writes:
    It's the same with breadmaking. There is the sourdough group, who make
    artisan breads, using natural yeasts in the flour, but may take 3 or 4
    days to develop. The other group like myself, who use fresh or instant
    yeast (wham bam) who are less patient. But each method has it's own
    unique taste.

    Where does keeping around a permanent sourdough-starter fall into that
    ...?

    [I used to use my flatmate's starter, which he had been keeping around
    for years, and it seemed basically almost as easy as using pre-packaged yeasts (and drop-dead delicious...)]


    It's very much down to taste. The longer a starter matures, the more intense is the sourness. You either love it or hate it.


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  • From Government Shill #2@gov.shill@gmail.com to alt.beer.home-brewing on Mon Apr 6 07:03:06 2009
    From Newsgroup: alt.beer.home-brewing

    On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:35:32 +0100, "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com>
    wrote:


    "Government Shill #2" < wrote in message >
    On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:50:14 +0100,
    "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com>
    wrote:

    Incidentally, ref your earlier thread reference to Coopers concentrates, >>>did
    you see their 'sparkling beer' kit? Have you tried it?


    No. I haven't yet. But I will.


    I once tried making
    Asti Spumanti, from an Italian white grape, but lost 90% of it, when the >>>bottles exploded. Fortunately it happened in the garage.


    Sounds like you might have bottle a bit early. Before the fermentation was >> complete. Either that or there was too much priming sugar in the bottles.
    That doesn't happen with kegs. I LOVE kegs. :-)


    Nah, in those days my wine-making kit comprised a 5 gallon carboy, an >aquarium heater/stat and a pressure filter, which filtered a gallon in 4 >minutes. CWE did a nice Italian white, which was a dead ringer for Asti. In >my stupidity, I didn't realise Asti was a CO2 injection method. I collected >loadsa Asti bottles from restaurants, not realising they weren't tough >enough for secondary. The garage stank for months!!

    Ah! Bummer.

    --
    Shill #2

    To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
    Homer J. Simpson
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