• Windows 11

    From MATT MUNSON@1:218/109 to All on Wed Sep 1 19:06:57 2021
    Windows 11 kills the fun with its install requirements. I most likely will need to pay someone 100 bucks to toggle my partitions so Windows 11 could be used.

    ... Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to MATT MUNSON on Thu Sep 2 11:12:00 2021
    Matt,

    Windows 11 kills the fun with its install requirements. I most likely
    will need to pay someone 100 bucks to toggle my partitions so Windows
    11 could be used.

    Windows 11 also eliminates 32-bit support. I can NOT see discarding
    perfectly good working hardware and software, just to satisfy Microsoft
    and their greedy bottom line. In short "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

    What was my late Mom's computer, has Windows 10 32-bit on it, and that's
    what the BBS is on. I have a Lenovo laptop with Windows 10 64-bit...and
    while the Lenovo will upgrade to Windows 11, the BBS computer will not.

    Daryl

    ... Windows 64-bit Virus: Renders all 16-bit programs useless.
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Matt Munson on Fri Sep 3 01:32:02 2021
    On 09-01-21 19:06, Matt Munson <=-
    spoke to All about Windows 11 <=-

    Windows 11 kills the fun with its install requirements. I
    most likely will need to pay someone 100 bucks to toggle my
    partitions so Windows 11 could be used.

    I'm curious. Why would you need to change your existing partitions?

    I am fairly ignorant about Win11. Is it more than window dressing [pun intended]? Or does it have functional improvements? Are there programs
    that can tell you what programs might be effected?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Sep 4 19:54:00 2021
    Hello Kurt Weiske!

    ** On Friday 03.09.21 - 07:54, Kurt Weiske wrote to Daryl Stout:

    That's a shame; I've been running Windows 10 32-bit on the
    BBS for some time to keep my old DOS apps running. There's
    nothing I've read that says you need to upgrade 10 to 11,
    10 is supported through 2025 and should be sufficient
    through then. By 2025, the hardware my BBS is running on
    will be 18 years old!

    And.. if you're just running a bbs and old DOS apps, why would
    "supported through 2025" even matter? Lack of win10 support
    shouldn't affect your bbs, right?

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.50
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  • From MATT MUNSON@1:218/109 to Daryl Stout on Thu Sep 2 21:03:13 2021
    Windows 11 also eliminates 32-bit support. I can NOT see discarding perfectly good working hardware and software, just to satisfy Microsoft and their greedy bottom line. In short "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

    I bought a windows 10 32-bit licence to run bbs doors on my bbs. But I am thinking I might need to do possibly is run a door games server on os/2 even if i run under mac or windows in the 64 bit context.
    What was my late Mom's computer, has Windows 10 32-bit on it, and
    that's what the BBS is on. I have a Lenovo laptop with Windows 10 64-bit...and while the Lenovo will upgrade to Windows 11, the BBS
    computer will not.

    My computer is also used to play Final Fantasy 14. I have 32gb of ram so i can run my virtual computer and play the game at the same time, but gamer graphics cards are riddiculously priced. I'll just enjoy my PS5 instead.

    ... There is an exception to every rule, except this one.

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  • From MATT MUNSON@1:218/109 to Dale Shipp on Fri Sep 3 19:11:39 2021
    Dale Shipp wrote to MATT MUNSON <=-

    On 09-01-21 19:06, Matt Munson <=-
    spoke to All about Windows 11 <=-

    Windows 11 kills the fun with its install requirements. I
    most likely will need to pay someone 100 bucks to toggle my
    partitions so Windows 11 could be used.

    I'm curious. Why would you need to change your existing partitions?
    It needs to be in the modern boot record format, i used the older format.



    I am fairly ignorant about Win11. Is it more than window dressing [pun intended]? Or does it have functional improvements? Are there
    programs that can tell you what programs might be effected?

    More likely security issues.


    ... Im not afraid of al Qaeda, Im afraid of al Cracker. -Chris Rock
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Daryl Stout on Fri Sep 3 07:54:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to MATT MUNSON <=-

    Windows 11 also eliminates 32-bit support. I can NOT see discarding perfectly good working hardware and software, just to satisfy Microsoft and their greedy bottom line. In short "if it ain't broke, don't fix
    it".

    That's a shame; I've been running Windows 10 32-bit on the BBS for some time to keep my old DOS apps running. There's nothing I've read that says you
    need to upgrade 10 to 11, 10 is supported through 2025 and should be sufficient through then. By 2025, the hardware my BBS is running on will be
    18 years old!



    ... Take away the elements in order of apparent non-importance
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  • From MATT MUNSON@1:218/109 to Daryl Stout on Sun Sep 5 13:19:46 2021
    I'm in the same boat as you. I can't see discarding perfectly good working hardware and software, just to satisfy Microsoft's bottom line.

    My Ryzen 7 1700 can use windows 11, I might have to pay someone to configure my hd so it would be UEFI friendly. But I will likely use my win 10 vm licence for the older software.

    ... Back up my hard drive? I can't find the reverse switch!

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Sep 4 18:50:00 2021
    Kurt,

    That's a shame; I've been running Windows 10 32-bit on the BBS for some time to keep my old DOS apps running. There's nothing I've read that
    says you need to upgrade 10 to 11, 10 is supported through 2025 and
    should be sufficient through then. By 2025, the hardware my BBS is
    running on will be 18 years old!

    I'm in the same boat as you. I can't see discarding perfectly good
    working hardware and software, just to satisfy Microsoft's bottom line.

    My Lenovo laptop, that has Windows 10 64-bit, will take the upgrade to Windows 11. However, the desktop computer (which was my late Mom's desktop computer), now has the BBS computer, and it has Windows 10 32-bit.

    Daryl

    ... I didn't crash; the ground came up, and hit me.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to August Abolins on Sun Sep 5 08:55:00 2021
    August Abolins wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    And.. if you're just running a bbs and old DOS apps, why would
    "supported through 2025" even matter? Lack of win10 support
    shouldn't affect your bbs, right?

    More concerned about security patches for the OS than compatibility with my apps and the OS - as long as it runs the BBS.

    I have a Proxmox server with support for LXC and Linux VMs, a VM running Kubernetes, a Raspberry Pi and a VPS. I should be able to find a non-windows host somewhere in that mix when I choose to move. :)


    ... Work at a different speed
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  • From August Abolins@1:396/45.29 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Sep 8 08:15:00 2021
    Hello Kurt Weiske!

    ** On Sunday 05.09.21 - 08:55, Kurt Weiske wrote to August Abolins:

    And.. if you're just running a bbs and old DOS apps, why
    would "supported through 2025" even matter? Lack of
    win10 support shouldn't affect your bbs, right?

    More concerned about security patches for the OS than
    compatibility with my apps and the OS - as long as it runs
    the BBS.

    I suppose if you're also using the Win10 machine for the BBS as
    well as for internet-things then the security patches migh
    matter.

    Even so, I find that the vast majority of problems occur from
    phishing scams that lure people to nefarious sites and THEN get
    the damaging payload. But if you never click on an unsolicited
    link in an email and stick with familiar sites, you can hum
    along nicely without more "patches".


    I have a Proxmox server with support for LXC and Linux
    VMs, a VM running Kubernetes, a Raspberry Pi and a VPS. I
    should be able to find a non-windows host somewhere in
    that mix when I choose to move. :)


    Kubernetes intrigues me. I'd love to see how it's actually
    used. Just reading about it gives me a headache. I don't
    understand how it works or why it is needed.
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.50
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to August Abolins on Wed Sep 8 06:46:00 2021
    August Abolins wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    And.. if you're just running a bbs and old DOS apps, why
    would "supported through 2025" even matter? Lack of
    win10 support shouldn't affect your bbs, right?

    More concerned about security patches for the OS than
    compatibility with my apps and the OS - as long as it runs
    the BBS.

    I suppose if you're also using the Win10 machine for the BBS as
    well as for internet-things then the security patches migh
    matter.

    My BBS is connected to the internet but all open ports run through the Synchronet app. As long as it's safe, I should be safe.

    I have a Proxmox server with support for LXC and Linux
    VMs, a VM running Kubernetes, a Raspberry Pi and a VPS. I
    should be able to find a non-windows host somewhere in
    that mix when I choose to move. :)

    Kubernetes intrigues me. I'd love to see how it's actually
    used. Just reading about it gives me a headache. I don't
    understand how it works or why it is needed.

    It's a way to run a virtual app instead of having to run a whole virtual OS
    to run an app.


    ... Abandon desire
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  • From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to All on Sun Nov 6 09:13:03 2022

    Hello everybody!

    I upgraded my CPU and I could molest my pc with windows 11 now if I want to. But im thinking about waiting for the next windows 11 release and see how that goes.

    Matt


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  • From august abolins@2:221/1.59 to Matt Munson on Sun Nov 6 13:54:50 2022


    I upgraded my CPU and I could molest my pc with windows 11 now if I want to. But im thinking about waiting for the next windows 11 release and see how that goes.

    Upgraded from what to what? I didn't think people would bother with that kind of component upgrade anymore unless they were building a PC with a new mobo.

    What Windows ver are you currently settled with? Myself, I'm with Win 7 on a couple of PC's and XP on a couple of laptops.



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  • From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to august abolins on Sun Nov 6 12:05:54 2022

    Hello august!

    06 Nov 22 13:54, you wrote to me:

    I upgraded my CPU and I could molest my pc with windows 11 now if
    I want to. But im thinking about waiting for the next windows 11
    release and see how that goes.

    Upgraded from what to what? I didn't think people would bother with
    that kind of component upgrade anymore unless they were building a PC
    with a new mobo.

    1700x ryzen to 5700x ryzen, it also eats 30 watts less of power too!

    What Windows ver are you currently settled with? Myself, I'm with Win
    7 on a couple of PC's and XP on a couple of laptops.

    I am on Windows 10.


    Matt


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  • From David Smith@1:123/180 to Matt Munson on Fri Nov 25 13:27:50 2022
    I upgraded my CPU and I could molest my pc with windows 11 now if I want to. But im thinking about waiting for the next windows 11 release and
    see how that goes.

    Honestly if I had it to do again I wouldn't bother. I upgraded mine a few months ago and it wiped out my drives. End up having to wipe and reload it three times before I got it right.

    The UEFI partitions are a bit tricky so make sure those are stable first. Also make sure you have a GOOD backup/recovery system in place!

    ... Do vegetarians eat animal crackers?

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  • From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to David Smith on Fri Nov 25 16:19:20 2022

    Hello David!

    25 Nov 22 13:27, you wrote to me:

    Honestly if I had it to do again I wouldn't bother. I upgraded mine a
    few months ago and it wiped out my drives. End up having to wipe and reload it three times before I got it right.

    The UEFI partitions are a bit tricky so make sure those are stable
    first. Also make sure you have a GOOD backup/recovery system in place!

    I will save my critical files before I do this. But I may wait another 6 months before I make the upgrade.

    Matt


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