• The Chromebook

    From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to All on Fri Jan 3 10:58:00 2020
    Howdy!

    A Chromebook user told me I should get one.

    At two stores I turned one On and nothing was on the screen but a list
    to choose from.

    Since I didn't have an account I chose "Guest".

    I can't remember if next the Chrome Browser was on the screen or if the
    screen didn't have anything on it.
    Anyway, after I closed the Chrome Browser the screen was empty.

    My question is: If I had created an Account on the Chromebook would there
    be any thing (Programs, etc.) on the screen after I Logged on the Account?

    Thanks in advance.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Ed Vance on Fri Jan 3 13:07:26 2020
    Re: The Chromebook
    By: Ed Vance to All on Fri Jan 03 2020 10:58 am

    Howdy!

    A Chromebook user told me I should get one.

    At two stores I turned one On and nothing was on the screen but a list
    to choose from.

    Since I didn't have an account I chose "Guest".

    I can't remember if next the Chrome Browser was on the screen or if the screen didn't have anything on it.
    Anyway, after I closed the Chrome Browser the screen was empty.

    My question is: If I had created an Account on the Chromebook would there
    be any thing (Programs, etc.) on the screen after I Logged on the Account?

    Yes. The window manager / user interface is the browser (and its "apps"). You can also run Linux and Android apps on Chromebooks if you're interested in that
    kind of thing.

    They work pretty well in general (long battery life, boot fast, stable), but I haven't seen one yet with a high quality display. Also, you're (by default, anyway) trapped in the Google walled-garden.

    digital man

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Ed Vance on Fri Jan 3 18:58:01 2020
    On 03 Jan 2020, Ed Vance said the following...

    A Chromebook user told me I should get one.

    At two stores I turned one On and nothing was on the screen but a list

    Chromebooks are really only handy if:
    1. You do everything remotely from the web.
    2. You have an internet connection.
    3. Love Google

    I have a chromebook which I use for work. Also a Windows laptop (and my desktop). The funny thing is I really hate Google Docs and so use the online version of Office 365 when I'm on it. Surf the web, check email, etc. It's
    much smaller and lighter than my laptop which is why I like it for work and travel. I use my phone as a hotspot (T-Mobile) or a VZW hotspot for bad
    signal areas.

    Even though I prefer Windows I can still do most of my work strictly through the Chrome browser.

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Rob Swindell on Fri Jan 3 18:59:13 2020
    On 03 Jan 2020, Rob Swindell said the following...

    Yes. The window manager / user interface is the browser (and its
    "apps"). You can also run Linux and Android apps on Chromebooks if
    you're interested in that kind of thing.

    Mine's a bit older so can't run any of the Android apps unfortunately.

    Still a useful tool though.

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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Richard Miles on Fri Jan 3 17:33:24 2020
    Re: The Chromebook
    By: Richard Miles to Rob Swindell on Fri Jan 03 2020 06:59 pm

    On 03 Jan 2020, Rob Swindell said the following...

    Yes. The window manager / user interface is the browser (and its "apps"). You can also run Linux and Android apps on Chromebooks if you're interested in that kind of thing.

    Mine's a bit older so can't run any of the Android apps unfortunately.

    Still a useful tool though.

    Yup. I failed to run Linux apps on mine, but ended up giving it to my teenage daughter anyway (and she's happy with the available Chrome "apps"). Amazing what you can do with a $200 system though.

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Rob Swindell on Fri Jan 3 21:12:11 2020
    On 03 Jan 2020, Rob Swindell said the following...

    "apps"). Amazing what you can do with a $200 system though.

    Oh, definitely. For the price it's a lot faster than a normal laptop at twice the $

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Richard Miles on Sat Jan 4 04:38:24 2020
    On 1/3/2020 9:12 PM, between "Richard Miles : Rob Swindell":

    "apps"). Amazing what you can do with a $200 system though.

    Oh, definitely. For the price it's a lot faster than a normal laptop at
    twice the $

    Can you do anything local on those machines? Or, does everything
    require a live internet connection?

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to August Abolins on Fri Jan 3 21:50:40 2020
    On 04 Jan 2020, August Abolins said the following...

    Can you do anything local on those machines? Or, does everything
    require a live internet connection?

    Depends on what you are wanting to do. I can access stuff on my local network such as documents, files, etc. There is a chrome ssh extension and I occasionally use it to get into a couple of headless machines in my basement.

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Rob Swindell on Sat Jan 4 21:25:00 2020
    01-03-20 13:07 Rob Swindell wrote to Ed Vance about The Chromebook
    Howdy! Rob,

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    Re: The Chromebook
    By: Ed Vance to All on Fri Jan 03 2020 10:58 am

    Howdy!

    A Chromebook user told me I should get one.
    -snip-
    My question is: If I had created an Account on the Chromebook would there
    be any thing (Programs, etc.) on the screen after I Logged on the Account?

    Yes. The window manager / user interface is the browser (and its
    "apps"). You can also run Linux and Android apps on Chromebooks if
    you're interested in that kind of thing.

    So am I correct, the Chrome Browser is the only Program included with the Chrome O/S?

    They work pretty well in general (long battery life, boot fast,
    stable), but I haven't seen one yet with a high quality display. Also, you're (by default, anyway) trapped in the Google walled-garden.

    On this XP pc I use Firefox with the NoScript Add-On and most websites I
    visit the NoScript dropdown list has Google this, Google that etc....

    Google: Analytics, Gstatic and many others that want my TEMPORARILY OK
    when I visit the pages.
    So I live in the Google walled-garden when I'm on the internet.

    I'm not so sure about ALLOWING all of those Google thingy's instead of selecting Temporarily Allow on the sites I visit.

    It would take less time for a page to load if those Google Thingy's were
    marked Allow in NoScript.

    What do You do?

    And there is DOUBLECLICK always asking permission, but I don't do that.

    I've been thinking about marking JQuery, Cloudflare and a few others as
    ALLOWED in NoScript.

    There are others I need to read up about to see if they too need to be
    ALLOWED also. Bootstrap maybe?

    Is there a Chrome O/S Emulator for Windows where I could run it on a
    "Live CD"?
    I could play some with some of the things my Chromebook Friend uses and
    be more knowledgeable talking to him about his computer.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Richard Miles on Sat Jan 4 21:31:00 2020
    01-03-20 18:58 Richard Miles wrote to Ed Vance about The Chromebook
    Howdy! Richard,

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    On 03 Jan 2020, Ed Vance said the following...

    A Chromebook user told me I should get one.

    At two stores I turned one On and nothing was on the screen but a list

    Chromebooks are really only handy if:
    1. You do everything remotely from the web.
    2. You have an internet connection.
    3. Love Google

    After putting Programs from the Google website on a Chromebook can the
    Programs be used without being connected to the internet? aka Offline?

    I have a chromebook which I use for work. Also a Windows laptop (and my desktop). The funny thing is I really hate Google Docs and so use the online version of Office 365 when I'm on it. Surf the web, check email, etc. It's much smaller and lighter than my laptop which is why I like
    it for work and travel. I use my phone as a hotspot (T-Mobile) or a VZW hotspot for bad signal areas.

    Even though I prefer Windows I can still do most of my work strictly through the Chrome browser.

    Appreciate the 1. 2. 3. and comments about it being lighter than a Notebook.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Ed Vance on Sun Jan 5 05:26:26 2020
    On 04 Jan 2020, Ed Vance said the following...

    After putting Programs from the Google website on a Chromebook can the Programs be used without being connected to the internet? aka Offline?

    Some of them probably. You can load ChromeOS in a virtualbox to try out and
    see the results. Another good tryout is, spend a couple of hours only using stuff you can access from the "Apps" button in the top left toolbar in
    Chrome. Only use stuff from there, resist the urge to go to the Windows menu
    or command prompt for anything. If you find that comfortable and everything
    you need is there then you might be a good Chromebook candidate.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Ed Vance on Sun Jan 5 07:57:47 2020
    Re: Re: The Chromebook
    By: Ed Vance to Richard Miles on Sat Jan 04 2020 21:31:00


    Chromebooks are really only handy if:
    1. You do everything remotely from the web.
    2. You have an internet connection.
    3. Love Google

    After putting Programs from the Google website on a Chromebook can the Programs be used without being connected to the internet? aka Offline?

    no... you have to log into your google account when you open the chromebook... there is no offline mode at all...

    FWIW: i have an HP branded one here... it works pretty well but i miss some of the features that my tablet and phone have...

    eg: GPS and magnetic orientation

    my i5 iOS phone can tell me which direction i'm facing which is great for astronomy programs... my Lenovo tablet cannot... both can tell me the angle i'm
    looking into the sky... i haven't tried my chromebook with an astronomy program
    but i know that i cannot use google drive as a GPS like i can my tablet...

    if i'm lost in the woods? i hope i have my phone and its battery lasts long enough to get me out of the woods... neither my tablet nor chromebook can get me out of that situation by themselves... i mention again about the chromebook needing network access, too... as much as i hate it, my iphone is a much needed
    survival tool outside a real compass and paper/laminated map...


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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Ed Vance on Sun Jan 5 13:29:18 2020
    Re: Re: The Chromebook
    By: Ed Vance to Rob Swindell on Sat Jan 04 2020 09:25 pm

    01-03-20 13:07 Rob Swindell wrote to Ed Vance about The Chromebook
    Howdy! Rob,

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    Re: The Chromebook
    By: Ed Vance to All on Fri Jan 03 2020 10:58 am

    Howdy!

    A Chromebook user told me I should get one.
    -snip-
    My question is: If I had created an Account on the Chromebook would there be any thing (Programs, etc.) on the screen after I Logged on the Account?

    Yes. The window manager / user interface is the browser (and its "apps"). You can also run Linux and Android apps on Chromebooks if you're interested in that kind of thing.

    So am I correct, the Chrome Browser is the only Program included with the Chrome O/S?

    Pretty much, though Chrome plugins can look like "Programs" to the user.

    Is there a Chrome O/S Emulator for Windows where I could run it on a
    "Live CD"?

    Yes: https://www.howtogeek.com/128575/how-to-run-chrome-os-from-a-usb-drive-and-use-it-on-any-computer/


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Richard Miles on Sun Jan 5 21:31:00 2020
    01-05-20 05:26 Richard Miles wrote to Ed Vance about The Chromebook
    Howdy! Richard,

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    On 04 Jan 2020, Ed Vance said the following...

    After putting Programs from the Google website on a Chromebook can the Programs be used without being connected to the internet? aka Offline?

    Some of them probably. You can load ChromeOS in a virtualbox to try out and see the results. Another good tryout is, spend a couple of hours
    only using stuff you can access from the "Apps" button in the top left toolbar in Chrome. Only use stuff from there, resist the urge to go to
    the Windows menu or command prompt for anything. If you find that comfortable and everything you need is there then you might be a good Chromebook candidate.

    Thanks for telling me about the Apps button on the Chromebook.
    I'll look for that next time I play with one in a store.

    Can ChromeOS run in a virtualbox on a XP pc?

    I've read that ChromeOS doesn't offer a version for XP anymore as they did
    with the earlier versions.

    My other pc has Vista, the ChromeOS in a VM might run on it.

    I use this XP desktop pc more often.

    While I'm chatting about Chromebooks I'm wondering if something like a Spreadsheet either from the Google Store or OpenOffice or LibreOffice could
    be used without a internet connection to Google?

    I sure wouldn't want to be using the Internet for personal stuff I would
    use a Spreadsheet for.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to mark lewis on Sun Jan 5 21:38:00 2020
    01-05-20 07:57 mark lewis wrote to Ed Vance about Re: The Chromebook
    Howdy! Mark,

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    Re: Re: The Chromebook
    By: Ed Vance to Richard Miles on Sat Jan 04 2020 21:31:00


    Chromebooks are really only handy if:
    1. You do everything remotely from the web.
    2. You have an internet connection.
    3. Love Google

    After putting Programs from the Google website on a Chromebook can the Programs be used without being connected to the internet? aka Offline?

    no... you have to log into your google account when you open the chromebook... there is no offline mode at all...

    O.K. Thanks.

    FWIW: i have an HP branded one here... it works pretty well but i miss some of the features that my tablet and phone have...

    The one(s) I tried were 15 inch Acers because that is what my friend uses.

    eg: GPS and magnetic orientation

    my i5 iOS phone can tell me which direction i'm facing which is great
    for astronomy programs... my Lenovo tablet cannot... both can tell me
    the angle i'm looking into the sky... i haven't tried my chromebook
    with an astronomy program but i know that i cannot use google drive as
    a GPS like i can my tablet...

    if i'm lost in the woods? i hope i have my phone and its battery lasts long enough to get me out of the woods... neither my tablet nor
    chromebook can get me out of that situation by themselves... i mention again about the chromebook needing network access, too... as much as i hate it, my iphone is a much needed survival tool outside a real
    compass and paper/laminated map...

    I have a GoPhone but I called and asked to have Data and Messaging Turned
    Off on it.
    I use it as a Ten Cent a Minute Telephone when away from home.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Rob Swindell on Sun Jan 5 21:50:00 2020
    01-05-20 13:29 Rob Swindell wrote to Ed Vance about Re: The Chromebook
    Howdy! Rob,

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    Re: Re: The Chromebook
    By: Ed Vance to Rob Swindell on Sat Jan 04 2020 09:25 pm
    -sbip-
    So am I correct, the Chrome Browser is the only Program included with the Chrome O/S?

    Pretty much, though Chrome plugins can look like "Programs" to the
    user.

    Is there a Chrome O/S Emulator for Windows where I could run it on a
    "Live CD"?

    Yes: https://www.howtogeek.com/128575/how-to-run-chrome-os-from-a-usb-drive-a nd-use-it-on-any-computer/


    Thanks, 73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Sun Jan 5 12:32:00 2020
    In a message on 01-04-20 Ed Vance said to Rob Swindell:

    Hi Ed,

    On this XP pc I use Firefox with the NoScript Add-On and most
    websites I visit the NoScript dropdown list has Google this, Google
    that etc....

    My suggestion would be: Get a second hand PC with a Windows 10pro 32bit operating system installed or with a Windows 7pro 32bit installed and
    upgrade that to Win10 after having first noted the product key.

    The reason for a 32bit operating system is that with it you can use all
    your old applications. With a 64bit operating system you can't use most
    of your old ones.

    Anyway you have to get all your applications over to the new machine by
    some kind of a backup from your old machine, whether that would be by installing your present HD into the second HD bay of the 'new' one or
    some other method.


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Ed Vance on Mon Jan 6 10:10:09 2020
    Re: Re: The Chromebook
    By: Ed Vance to Richard Miles on Sun Jan 05 2020 21:31:00


    While I'm chatting about Chromebooks I'm wondering if something like
    a Spreadsheet either from the Google Store or OpenOffice or
    LibreOffice could be used without a internet connection to Google?

    no because you cannot even log into the machine without a connection... there is no offline mode at all...

    I sure wouldn't want to be using the Internet for personal stuff I
    would use a Spreadsheet for.

    google sheets isn't all that bad and there are privacy settings where you can allow others to see the sheet or not... plus the connections are over https which is secure... but yeah, it depends on what data you are putting in the sheets in some cases...


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Ed Vance on Mon Jan 6 07:09:00 2020
    Ed Vance wrote to Richard Miles <=-

    Can ChromeOS run in a virtualbox on a XP pc?

    I ran one of the distributions inside of Virtualbox, can't remember which version of ChromeOS it was. I don't think the official version runs on a lot of hardware, but others have ported it.

    While I'm chatting about Chromebooks I'm wondering if something like a Spreadsheet either from the Google Store or OpenOffice or LibreOffice could be used without a internet connection to Google?

    All of the google docs can work offline on Windows. I wrote a novel in
    Google Docs and was able to work offline, then it'd upload the documents
    when I got back onto the network. I'd guess ChromeOS would do the same.

    I sure wouldn't want to be using the Internet for personal stuff I
    would use a Spreadsheet for.


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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Ed Vance on Mon Jan 6 21:38:03 2020
    On 05 Jan 2020, Ed Vance said the following...

    Thanks for telling me about the Apps button on the Chromebook.
    I'll look for that next time I play with one in a store.

    I'm talking about the apps button in Chrome. On your PC. It's there on the chromebooks too but a good test as to whether it would be good for you is if you can just use Chrome on your PC and nothing else.

    Can ChromeOS run in a virtualbox on a XP pc?

    It's not Host OS dependent afaik.

    I sure wouldn't want to be using the Internet for personal stuff I would use a Spreadsheet for.

    You need to stick with a PC based laptop then most likely. I will need to
    break mine out and disconnect the wifi to see if it will even let you log in without a connection. Will try to get time tomorrow.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ED VANCE on Mon Jan 6 19:47:00 2020
    Thanks for telling me about the Apps button on the Chromebook.
    I'll look for that next time I play with one in a store.

    Can ChromeOS run in a virtualbox on a XP pc?

    There is actually an apps button in the Google Chrome browser. I think the idea is that, if you can get buy with opening the Chrome web browser and
    then not doing anything else on a PC that cannot be done inside of Chrome
    or one of the apps in that apps button, you might be a good Chromebook candidate.

    If you are always opening Windows programs, via the Windows START button or other shortcuts, you probably are not such a good candidate.

    Mike


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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to HOLGER GRANHOLM on Mon Jan 6 13:05:00 2020
    Holger,

    My suggestion would be: Get a second hand PC with a Windows 10pro 32bit HG>operating system installed or with a Windows 7pro 32bit installed and HG>upgrade that to Win10 after having first noted the product key.

    The reason for a 32bit operating system is that with it you can use all HG>your old applications. With a 64bit operating system you can't use most HG>of your old ones.

    That's what I did here. My late Mom's computer, and the BBS computer
    have Windows 10 32-bit. I could not get a copy of that to install on an
    older laptop (it originally had Windows Vista Basic on it), so I donated
    it to a fellow Sysop, who wiped the drive, and put Linux on it for his
    use. I bought a Lenovo Laptop with Windows 10 64-bit on it.

    As a side note, I paid $140 at Best Buy for each copy of Windows 10 32-bit...Microsoft wanted $200 per copy. Can you say "corporate greed"??
    That's why I don't buy a system right when a new OS comes out. Speaking
    of which, I don't see any sign of another OS upgrade from Microsoft
    for awhile, which likely disappoints their shareholders. But, I've got
    the setups to work the way I want them. A friend of mine hates Windows
    10, calling it "Satan's Little Sex Toy". :P But, this month, is the end
    of security updates for Windows 7...and that's the only reason I
    upgraded. With the Start8Menu utility from IObit (I use several of their programs), I have the setups looking like Windows 7 instead of Windows
    10.

    Daryl, WX4QZ


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