• Amtrak Carolinian Derails

    From Conklin@1:2320/100 to All on Mon Mar 9 15:26:56 2015

    From: nilknocgeo@earthlink.net

    Amtrak's Carolinian derailed today at 12:15 in Halifax, NC, due to the track being blocked by a oversized tractor trailer which had been trying to turn
    onto Route 301 for about 15 minutes. No one notified the RR.

    http://abc11.com/news/amtrak-train-slams-into-truck-in-halifax/550657/

    No one seemed to be seriously hurt. Later photos showed school buses, but
    if they were there to pick up passengers or just trying to get to a school
    was left unclear. Passengers were taken to an "agricultural center,"
    whatever that is.

    --- SoupGate/W32 v1.03
    # Origin: LiveWire BBS -=*=- UseNet FTN Gateway (1:2320/1)
    * Origin: LiveWire BBS - Synchronet - LiveWireBBS.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Conklin@1:2320/100 to Conklin on Mon Mar 9 19:59:18 2015

    From: nilknocgeo@earthlink.net

    "conklin" <nilknocgeo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:hpadnaaINslibmDJnZ2dnUU7-bednZ2d@earthlink.com...
    Amtrak's Carolinian derailed today at 12:15 in Halifax, NC, due to the
    track being blocked by a oversized tractor trailer which had been trying
    to turn onto Route 301 for about 15 minutes. No one notified the RR.

    http://abc11.com/news/amtrak-train-slams-into-truck-in-halifax/550657/

    No one seemed to be seriously hurt. Later photos showed school buses, but
    if they were there to pick up passengers or just trying to get to a school was left unclear. Passengers were taken to an "agricultural center," whatever that is.


    Evening news had about 10 minutes on this accident, which was filmed by a
    cell camera. They said passengers would be taken by bus to DC and then they would continue on by bus or rail. I wonder what Amtrak arranged. Anything? Does anyone know how these issues are settled? What happens to passengers?

    --- SoupGate/W32 v1.03
    # Origin: LiveWire BBS -=*=- UseNet FTN Gateway (1:2320/1)
    * Origin: LiveWire BBS - Synchronet - LiveWireBBS.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Michael Finfer@1:2320/100 to Conklin on Mon Mar 9 21:56:54 2015

    From: finfer@optonline.net

    On 3/9/2015 7:59 PM, conklin wrote:
    "conklin" <nilknocgeo@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:hpadnaaINslibmDJnZ2dnUU7-bednZ2d@earthlink.com...
    Amtrak's Carolinian derailed today at 12:15 in Halifax, NC, due to the
    track being blocked by a oversized tractor trailer which had been trying
    to turn onto Route 301 for about 15 minutes. No one notified the RR.

    http://abc11.com/news/amtrak-train-slams-into-truck-in-halifax/550657/

    No one seemed to be seriously hurt. Later photos showed school buses, but >> if they were there to pick up passengers or just trying to get to a school >> was left unclear. Passengers were taken to an "agricultural center,"
    whatever that is.


    Evening news had about 10 minutes on this accident, which was filmed by a cell camera. They said passengers would be taken by bus to DC and then they would continue on by bus or rail. I wonder what Amtrak arranged. Anything? Does anyone know how these issues are settled? What happens to passengers?



    The rule is, as I understand it, as I was stranded in Chicago by the
    huge lake effect snow in Buffalo in November, is if you stick with
    Amtrak, they will take care of you and get you, eventually, to your destination. If you arrange alternate transportation, you are on your own.

    Amtrak did not handle my situation with grace. I was on a four hour
    late Texas Eagle headed for a connection with the Lake Shore Limited in Chicago. A couple of hours out of Chicago, I got a phone call from
    Julie stating that train 48 is cancelled today, and no alternate
    transportation will be provided. The call ended at that point, with no explanations and no instructions on what to do or what the rules were.

    I went to the conductor, who had not heard about the cancellation yet.
    He later told me that no final decision had been made about train 48.
    Why they would send out calls like that before a final decision was made
    is beyond me.

    As it turned out, train 49 arrived Chicago about the same time that we
    did, about 5:40 PM. I was told that I could take the next day's train,
    and they would pay for meals and the hotel, or I could arrange alternate transportation and they would give me a refund for train 48. Since I
    needed to be at work the day after I was supposed to get back, and
    because there were no sleepers available on train 30 that day, I chose
    to fly back. I got about $300 back from Amtrak, and I spent a little
    over $700 on hotel, meals, and air fare. It was a good decision because
    trains 48 and 49 were cancelled the next three days.

    I have some quibbles with the way the notification was handled. They
    should have waited for a final decision before calling, and those calls
    should have been made by a person, not a computer. That would have been
    much better customer service and would have avoided long waits in Union Station. I suspect that the conductor on train 22 could have booked a
    sleeper on train 30 for me on his I-phone if one had been available, though.

    Michael Finfer
    Bridgewater, NJ

    --- SoupGate/W32 v1.03
    # Origin: LiveWire BBS -=*=- UseNet FTN Gateway (1:2320/1)
    * Origin: LiveWire BBS - Synchronet - LiveWireBBS.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Conklin@1:2320/100 to Michael Finfer on Tue Mar 10 08:22:30 2015

    From: nilknocgeo@earthlink.net

    "Michael Finfer" <finfer@optonline.net> wrote in message news:DbsLw.1053638$Mn4.23129@fx12.iad...
    On 3/9/2015 7:59 PM, conklin wrote:
    "conklin" <nilknocgeo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:hpadnaaINslibmDJnZ2dnUU7-bednZ2d@earthlink.com...
    Amtrak's Carolinian derailed today at 12:15 in Halifax, NC, due to the
    track being blocked by a oversized tractor trailer which had been trying >>> to turn onto Route 301 for about 15 minutes. No one notified the RR.

    http://abc11.com/news/amtrak-train-slams-into-truck-in-halifax/550657/

    No one seemed to be seriously hurt. Later photos showed school buses,
    but
    if they were there to pick up passengers or just trying to get to a
    school
    was left unclear. Passengers were taken to an "agricultural center,"
    whatever that is.


    Evening news had about 10 minutes on this accident, which was filmed by a
    cell camera. They said passengers would be taken by bus to DC and then
    they
    would continue on by bus or rail. I wonder what Amtrak arranged.
    Anything?
    Does anyone know how these issues are settled? What happens to
    passengers?



    The rule is, as I understand it, as I was stranded in Chicago by the huge lake effect snow in Buffalo in November, is if you stick with Amtrak, they will take care of you and get you, eventually, to your destination. If
    you arrange alternate transportation, you are on your own.

    Amtrak did not handle my situation with grace. I was on a four hour late Texas Eagle headed for a connection with the Lake Shore Limited in
    Chicago. A couple of hours out of Chicago, I got a phone call from Julie stating that train 48 is cancelled today, and no alternate transportation will be provided. The call ended at that point, with no explanations and
    no instructions on what to do or what the rules were.

    I went to the conductor, who had not heard about the cancellation yet. He later told me that no final decision had been made about train 48. Why
    they would send out calls like that before a final decision was made is beyond me.

    As it turned out, train 49 arrived Chicago about the same time that we
    did, about 5:40 PM. I was told that I could take the next day's train,
    and they would pay for meals and the hotel, or I could arrange alternate transportation and they would give me a refund for train 48. Since I
    needed to be at work the day after I was supposed to get back, and because there were no sleepers available on train 30 that day, I chose to fly
    back. I got about $300 back from Amtrak, and I spent a little over $700
    on hotel, meals, and air fare. It was a good decision because trains 48
    and 49 were cancelled the next three days.

    I have some quibbles with the way the notification was handled. They
    should have waited for a final decision before calling, and those calls should have been made by a person, not a computer. That would have been
    much better customer service and would have avoided long waits in Union Station. I suspect that the conductor on train 22 could have booked a sleeper on train 30 for me on his I-phone if one had been available,
    though.

    Michael Finfer
    Bridgewater, NJ

    I guess when the weather gets bad, routes which have some backup work
    better. The Amtrak Carolinian derailed on a piece of single-track and apparentloy there are no ways around that. Here is a link to 20 pictures.
    At first glance, it looks like a piece of rural factory track, not a vital
    link on the East coast. And a relatively low speed piece of track at that, which apparently is what prevented even more injuries.

    http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article13163597.html

    --- SoupGate/W32 v1.03
    # Origin: LiveWire BBS -=*=- UseNet FTN Gateway (1:2320/1)
    * Origin: LiveWire BBS - Synchronet - LiveWireBBS.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com@1:2320/100 to All on Thu Mar 12 18:06:16 2015

    It was reported that the truck driver had a horrible driving record.

    Also, they are investigating why the State Police, which was on the scene when the truck got stuck, failed to notify the railroad of the blockage.

    --- SoupGate/W32 v1.03
    # Origin: LiveWire BBS -=*=- UseNet FTN Gateway (1:2320/1)
    * Origin: LiveWire BBS - Synchronet - LiveWireBBS.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Jishnu Mukerji@1:2320/100 to All on Fri Mar 13 08:49:54 2015

    From: jishnu@nospam.verizon.net

    On 3/9/2015 7:59 PM, conklin wrote:
    "conklin" <nilknocgeo@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:hpadnaaINslibmDJnZ2dnUU7-bednZ2d@earthlink.com...
    Amtrak's Carolinian derailed today at 12:15 in Halifax, NC, due to the
    track being blocked by a oversized tractor trailer which had been trying >>> to turn onto Route 301 for about 15 minutes. No one notified the RR.

    http://abc11.com/news/amtrak-train-slams-into-truck-in-halifax/550657/

    No one seemed to be seriously hurt. Later photos showed school
    buses, but
    if they were there to pick up passengers or just trying to get to a
    school
    was left unclear. Passengers were taken to an "agricultural center,"
    whatever that is.


    Evening news had about 10 minutes on this accident, which was filmed by a
    cell camera. They said passengers would be taken by bus to DC and
    then they
    would continue on by bus or rail. I wonder what Amtrak arranged.
    Anything?
    Does anyone know how these issues are settled? What happens to
    passengers?

    80 (Carolinian) involved in the accident was bus bridged to Richmond to
    board a makeup train for the rest of their journey.

    79 (Carolinian) that day was bus bridged from Richmond to Raleigh to
    continue their journey on a makeup train from Raleigh.

    89 and 90 (Palmetto) were bus bridged between Richmond and Rocky Mount
    to board makeup trains at those respective points for onward journeys to destination.

    91 (Silver Star) and 97 (Silver Meteor) were terminated at Washington DC
    with accommodation provided on the same trains the following day + hotel
    and meals.

    92 (Silver Star) and 98 (Silver Meteor) continued as usual with delays
    through the accident location after track was restored.

    52 and 53 (Auto Train) ran 3 to 6 hours behind schedule the day of the accident. 53 was apparently the first train to pass the cleared site of
    the accident in Halifax NC, at around 2am.

    The following day 80 (Carolinian) was bus bridged from Raleigh to
    Richmond due to lack of equipment. Two days later (on the 11th) 98
    (Silver Meteor) was cancelled out of Miami, with passengers accommodated
    on an enhanced 92 (Silver Star) (and on the following day) due to unavailability of full consist as a result of cancellation of 97 (Silver Meteor) the day of the accident. The following day 98 (Silver Meteor)
    ran with extra Coaches to accommodate spillover load.

    Equipment was cobbled together from spares and from maintenance
    expedited in Hialeah, to put together the consist of 92 (Silver Star)
    for the 11th out of Miami, since the usual equipment was caught up in
    the cancellation of 91 (Silver Star) due to the accident. It ran with an
    extra Sleeper and Coach over and above its normal consist.

    Any trains not mentioned ran as usual.

    Hope that helps the curious whet their curiosity. :)

    /J

    --- SoupGate/W32 v1.03
    # Origin: LiveWire BBS -=*=- UseNet FTN Gateway (1:2320/1)
    * Origin: LiveWire BBS - Synchronet - LiveWireBBS.com (1:2320/100)