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  • An another oil train fire in Northern Ontario

    From Nobody@1:2320/100 to All on Mon Mar 9 15:18:46 2015

    From: jock@soccer.com

    <http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/crews-battle-blaze-after-train-derails-in-northern-ontario/article23351305/>

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  • From Conklin@1:2320/100 to Nobody on Mon Mar 9 20:00:14 2015

    From: nilknocgeo@earthlink.net

    "Nobody" <jock@soccer.com> wrote in message news:617sfa52sa63dbc43sak06fnltvftupl1j@4ax.com...
    <http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/crews-battle-blaze-after-train-derails-in-northern-ontario/article23351305/

    The article all but says that the "new" standards do not work either. Is
    there any proven design which might work at reasonable speeds?

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  • From Nick Fotis@1:2320/100 to Conklin on Tue Mar 10 23:11:20 2015

    From: nick.fotis@gmail.com

    On 10/03/2015 02:00, conklin wrote:

    The article all but says that the "new" standards do not work either. Is there any proven design which might work at reasonable speeds?


    I do not think it is practically possible - the kinetic energy involved
    in a derailment of a loaded oil train is very high.
    Even if you made double-hulled oil cans, like the double-hulled tanker
    ships, that wouldn't guarantee you will get no puncture.

    Maybe (just maybe) the gasses inside the crude oil tend to pressure the
    oil tanks too much, and escape at the slightest opportunity? Maybe the
    domes of these cars should be enlarged, offering more room for expansion?

    The best idea is to avoid these derailments, in my opinion.
    If that means shorter oil trains (= smaller forces) or lower speeds, I
    don't know. And track maintenance is important, of course.

    N.F.

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  • From John Albert@1:2320/100 to Conklin on Wed Mar 11 19:02:04 2015

    From: j.albert@snet.net

    On 3/9/15 8:00 PM, conklin wrote:
    The article all but says that the "new" standards do not work either. Is there any proven design which might work at reasonable speeds?

    As long as a train is moving, something can (and often does) go wrong.

    That's the way it is.

    Sounds simplistic, but 32 years' worth of railroadin' taught me this
    truth...

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