Testing smapinntpd with native ipv6 support and ssl via stunnel.

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* Origin: *** nntps://rpi.rbb.bbs.fi *** (2:221/360)

Hi! Tommi,

On 11/16/2018 09:21 AM, you wrote to All:

Testing smapinntpd with native ipv6 support and ssl via stunnel.

Do you mean this one: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20181115?

;)

Cheers,
Paul.

--- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0
* Origin: BEERWARE: If you like it, buy yourself a beer. (3:640/1384.125)

Paul Quinn <3:640/1384.125> wrote:

TK> Testing smapinntpd with native ipv6 support and ssl via stunnel.

Do you mean this one: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20181115?

How did you know? :D

Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the "from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set "off".

'Tommi

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* Origin: *** nntps://rpi.rbb.bbs.fi *** (2:221/360)

Hi! Tommi,

On 16 Nov 18 11:05, you wrote to me:

Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the
"from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set "off".

It's beyond my pay grade too. Through a comedy of errors, I have only a single
functioning Thunderbird and that's the one: version 31.4 on my netbook, since any later models fuck up in some way or another. Or, I haven't bothered to install one. If I do, it will be an older version.

Cheers,
Paul.

... Paranoid: Someone who just figured out what's going on.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
* Origin: Quinn's Rock - Live from Paul's Xubuntu desktop! (3:640/1384)

TK> Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the
TK> "from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set
TK> "off".

It's beyond my pay grade too. Through a comedy of errors, I have only a single functioning Thunderbird and that's the one: version 31.4 on my netbook, since any later models fuck up in some way or another. Or, I haven't bothered to install one. If I do, it will be an older version.

Somehow I think that TB is trying to be too smart and may look for anything between "(" and ")"... Including the origin line. Dunno.. :)

Sylpheed is quite nice for reading newsgroups. It's available for linux as well
as windows.

'Tommi

--- Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32)
* Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

Hi! Tommi,

On 16 Nov 18 12:03, you wrote to me:

Sylpheed is quite nice for reading newsgroups. It's available for
linux as well as windows.
--- Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32)

Kewl. :) I only 'do' Fidonet groups. OTOH, I do need to put something back on my other desktop PC for email, so I'll double-check Sylpheed first. Thank you.

Cheers,
Paul.

... Freddie, we miss you all the time...
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
* Origin: Quinn's Rock - Live from Paul's Xubuntu desktop! (3:640/1384)

On 2018 Nov 16 09:21:32, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 2:221/360 5bee6ffa
@PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20181115
@CHRS: IBMPC 2
@TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 2018-09-09

Testing smapinntpd with native ipv6 support and ssl via stunnel.

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SEEN-BY: 221/0 1 6 360 280/464 5555 320/219 640/305 1384 3634/12 123/25

150

SEEN-BY: 123/755 135/300 153/7715 154/10 261/38 3634/15 27 50 119 123/50 SEEN-BY: 3634/12 0 18/0 123/0 1/120
@PATH: 221/0 640/1384 3634/12

)\/(ark

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Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... We could have made it bigger. But why?
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On 2018 Nov 16 11:05:36, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the
"from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set "off".

it is because they are enforcing the internet email format user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet format that was working out of luck...

)\/(ark

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"mark lewis -> Tommi Koivula" <1:3634/12.73>:

Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the "from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set "off".

it is because they are enforcing the internet email format user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet format that
was working out of luck...

I already tried to apply that "address patch" from jamnntpd to smapinntpd. Somehow it seems not to work.

'Tommi

--- Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32)
* Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

On 16/11/2018 21:48, Tommi Koivula -> mark lewis wrote:

it is because they are enforcing the internet email format
user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet format that
was working out of luck...

I already tried to apply that "address patch" from jamnntpd to
smapinntpd. Somehow it seems not to work.

Your message appeared to have originated from "test" instead of a FTN address in this version of TB (31.8 on Win7).

--

Regards
David

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0
* Origin: Bucca, Qld, Australia (3:640/305)

On 17.11.2018 11:35, 3640/305 wrote:

From David Drummond To Tommi Koivula

Your message appeared to have originated from "test" instead of a FTN address in this version of TB (31.8 on Win7).

Yes. I found out that if there is something in REPLYADDR, Thunderbird
shows the from line ok.

In this message there should be "123" as my email address.

Now using TB v60.

'Tommi

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbir
* Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

Hi! Tommi,

On 11/17/2018 06:20 PM, you wrote to David Drummond:

On 17.11.2018 11:35, 3640/305 wrote:

From David Drummond To Tommi Koivula

Your message appeared to have originated from "test" instead of a FTN
address in this version of TB (31.8 on Win7).

Yes. I found out that if there is something in REPLYADDR, Thunderbird shows the from line ok.

In this message there should be "123" as my email address.

Now using TB v60.

Ooh... mmmm...

(Note that I have quoted your 'quote' line to David. Your 'From' line also read "Tommi Koivula -> David Drummond<123>".)

Are you using a JAM messagebase? It's just it's hard to tell since you're using SMAPI. Johan specifically states that any REPLYADDR magic formatting works in conjunction with JAM messagebase.

Whenever I had a choice in any/every JamNNTPd configuration I've always turned the REPLYADDR option off (i.e. disabled).

Cheers,
Paul.

--- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0
* Origin: We miss you Freddy! (3:640/1384.125)

 TK>> Yes. I found out that if there is something in REPLYADDR, Thunderbird
 TK>> shows the from line ok.

 TK>> In this message there should be "123" as my email address.

 TK>> Now using TB v60.

Ooh... mmmm...

Indeed.. Now my email address is set to "2:221/360.9999" in this
Thunderbird 60.3.1. :)

(Note that I have quoted your 'quote' line to David.  Your 'From' line also read "Tommi Koivula -> David Drummond<123>".)

Are you using a JAM messagebase?

Mostly yes. But I see no difference in this matter with squish bases.

It's just it's hard to tell since
you're using SMAPI.  Johan specifically states that any REPLYADDR magic formatting works in conjunction with JAM messagebase.

Hmm.. Ok..

Whenever I had a choice in any/every JamNNTPd configuration I've always turned the REPLYADDR option off (i.e. disabled).

Previously that was my choice too. At least with my JamNNTPD in OS/2.

'Tommi

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbir
* Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

Ooh... mmmm...

Indeed.. Now my email address is set to "2:221/360.9999" in this Thunderbird 60.3.1. :)

And it shows fine:

"Tommi Koivula -> Paul Quinn <2:221/360.9999>"

Maybe a faked REPLYADDR should fix this... Hmm... :)

'Tommi

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbir
* Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

Hi! Tommi,

On 17 Nov 18 11:36, you wrote to me:

Ooh... mmmm...

Indeed.. Now my email address is set to "2:221/360.9999" in this Thunderbird 60.3.1. :)

Yeah, but you do have a UUCP gateway at your back. :) Fortunately a netmail reply from goldEd wanted to work, to your ~/10 address.

It's just it's hard to tell since you're using SMAPI.  Johan
specifically states that anyREPLYADDR magic formatting works in
conjunction with JAM messagebase.

(In the readme file.)

Hmm.. Ok..

Johan also stated that SMAPI was an experiment. Look Ma, no hands!

Cheers,
Paul.

... I didn't like my beard at first. Then it grew on me.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
* Origin: Quinn's Rock - Live from Paul's Xubuntu desktop! (3:640/1384)

From Paul Quinn To Tommi Koivula

Indeed.. Now my email address is set to "2:221/360.9999" in this
Thunderbird 60.3.1. :)

Yeah, but you do have a UUCP gateway at your back. :)

That helps, yes. :)

Replies from echomail newsgroup to netmail newsgroup doesn't work right
now.

Johan also stated that SMAPI was an experiment. Look Ma, no hands!

Experiment that works quite fine. :)

'Tommi

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.
* Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

Hi! Tommi,

On 17 Nov 18 11:40, you wrote to yourself:

@MSGID: 2:221/10.0 5befe218
@REPLY: 2:221/10.0 5befe10a
@PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 1.3 20181115
@REPLYADDR "2:221/360.9999"
@CHRS: UTF-8 2
@TZUTC: 0200
@TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 2018-09-09

Ooh... mmmm...

Indeed.. Now my email address is set to "2:221/360.9999" in this
Thunderbird 60.3.1. :)

And it shows fine:

"Tommi Koivula -> Paul Quinn <2:221/360.9999>"

Maybe a faked REPLYADDR should fix this... Hmm... :)

* Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

That is sick. Do I need an account there too? ;-)

Cheers,
Paul.

... Emergency repair procedure #1: Kick it.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
* Origin: Quinn's Rock - Live from Paul's Xubuntu desktop! (3:640/1384)

Hi Paul.

17 Nov 18 20:09, you wrote to me:

Maybe a faked REPLYADDR should fix this... Hmm... :)

* Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

That is sick. Do I need an account there too? ;-)

All the accounts from my Jamnntpd should work!

'Tommi

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: ------------------------------- (2:221/10)

Hi! Tommi,

On 17 Nov 18 12:37, you wrote to me:

Replies from echomail newsgroup to netmail newsgroup doesn't work
right now.

I'll try that tomorrow AM, as I swish away breakfast bread or chocolate crumbs in bed sheets. :)

Johan also stated that SMAPI was an experiment. Look Ma, no
hands!

Experiment that works quite fine. :)

Yes, agreed. I did test drive it once... a decade ago?? Mmm... the messages are probably in this echo... yeah, I was dabbling with it in April 2006.

Cheers,
Paul.

... My toys! My toys! I can't do this job without my toys!
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
* Origin: Quinn's Rock - Live from Paul's Xubuntu desktop! (3:640/1384)

Hi! Tommi,

On 17 Nov 18 12:47, you wrote to me:

Maybe a faked REPLYADDR should fix this... Hmm... :)

That is sick. Do I need an account there too? ;-)

All the accounts from my Jamnntpd should work!

I was just foolin'. The order of the 'From' line data in the newsgroup is illogical, though not your fault.

Cheers,
Paul.

... Sure when... OINK FLAP. OINK FLAP. Well, I'll be damned...
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
* Origin: Quinn's Rock - Live from Paul's Xubuntu desktop! (3:640/1384)

Hi Paul.

Maybe a faked REPLYADDR should fix this... Hmm... :)

That is sick. Do I need an account there too? ;-)

All the accounts from my Jamnntpd should work!

I was just foolin'. The order of the 'From' line data in the newsgroup
is illogical, though not your fault.

Well, you _are_ upsidedown... ;-)

'Tommi

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: ------------------------------- (2:221/10)

Hi! Tommi,

On 17 Nov 18 13:18, you wrote to me:

I was just foolin'. The order of the 'From' line data in the
newsgroup is illogical, though not your fault.

Well, you _are_ upsidedown... ;-)

That's just one of our super powers.

Cheers,
Paul.

... All right, who's been turning my messages into taglines?
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
* Origin: Quinn's Rock - Live from Paul's Xubuntu desktop! (3:640/1384)

On 2018 Nov 16 13:48:56, you wrote to me:

Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the
"from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set
"off".

it is because they are enforcing the internet email format
user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet format
that was working out of luck...

I already tried to apply that "address patch" from jamnntpd to
smapinntpd. Somehow it seems not to work.

AIUI, the format must be a valid email address format... i don't know and cannot check since i do not run jamnntpd any more...

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... The Adventures Of WIN.INI The Pooh By W. Gates.
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On 17/11/2018 18:20, Tommi Koivula -> David Drummond wrote:

Your message appeared to have originated from "test" instead of a FTN
address in this version of TB (31.8 on Win7).

Yes. I found out that if there is something in REPLYADDR, Thunderbird shows the from line ok.

In this message there should be "123" as my email address.

It does indeed.

:)

--

Regards
David

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0
* Origin: Bucca, Qld, Australia (3:640/305)

On 17/11/2018 21:48, Paul Quinn -> Tommi Koivula wrote:

Hi! Tommi,

On 17 Nov 18 13:18, you wrote to me:

I was just foolin'. The order of the 'From' line data in the
newsgroup is illogical, though not your fault.

Well, you _are_ upsidedown... ;-)

That's just one of our super powers.

We have super powers???

Or is it just you (and a royal we)?

--

Regards
David

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0
* Origin: Bucca, Qld, Australia (3:640/305)

Hi! David,

On 11/18/2018 07:06 AM, you wrote:

Well, you _are_ upsidedown... ;-)

That's just one of our super powers.

We have super powers???

Or is it just you (and a royal we)?

Egalitarian.

Cheers,
Paul.

--- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0
* Origin: Operator ... give me the number for 911, quick! (3:640/1384.125)

it is because they are enforcing the internet email format
user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet format
that was working out of luck...

I already tried to apply that "address patch" from jamnntpd to
smapinntpd. Somehow it seems not to work.

AIUI, the format must be a valid email address format...

That is not true. REPLYADDR may contain anything, including a valid
fidonet address, and it shows ok in the new TB.

Like "From: "Tommi Koivula -> Paul Quinn" <"2:221/360.9999">"

i don't know and cannot check since i do not run jamnntpd any more...

Bad for you. B)

'Tommi

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.
* Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

On 2018 Nov 18 09:40:32, you wrote to me:

it is because they are enforcing the internet email format
user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet
format that was working out of luck...

I already tried to apply that "address patch" from jamnntpd to
smapinntpd. Somehow it seems not to work.

AIUI, the format must be a valid email address format...

That is not true.

i'm talking about on the t-bird side of the fence...

REPLYADDR may contain anything, including a valid fidonet address, and
it shows ok in the new TB.

how is that being set? i only see "noreplyaddr" in jamnntpd.cfg and in my old one, it is commented out so that reply addresses are used...

Like "From: "Tommi Koivula -> Paul Quinn" <"2:221/360.9999">"

i don't know and cannot check since i do not run jamnntpd any more...

Bad for you. B)

not really... my current solution doesn't crash/hang on me all the time... TTBOMK, other various problems are completely eliminated as well... especially things like the problems that arise when purging and renumbering areas or even just having areas locked while maint or tossing is being done ;)

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... Medical breakthrough: Chicken blood transfusions make women lay better.
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AIUI, the format must be a valid email address format...

That is not true.

i'm talking about on the t-bird side of the fence...

So do I. That's where my investigation started this time. I dont know
exactly where smapinntpd finds the 'from thing', but if REPLYADDR is
present it seems to be used. And it can be (almost?) anything, like in
this message, and TB shows the From line ok.

Most ftn messages dont have this REPLYADDR kludge, so I was thinking
about presenting something for nntp readers.

not really... my current solution doesn't crash/hang on me all the
time... TTBOMK, other various problems are completely eliminated as well... especially things like the problems that arise when purging and renumbering areas or even just having areas locked while maint or
tossing is being done ;)

GEcho/mbutil in my OS/2 system can pack and purge without renumbering.
Sqpack from Husky renumbers automatically.. But it is really not needed
to purge with the huge amount of harddisk anymore. ;)

'Tommi

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* Origin: *** nntps://rpi.rbb.bbs.fi *** (2:221/360)

Hallo Tommi!

18.11.2018 09:40, Tommi Koivula schrieb an mark lewis:

* Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

I'm trying to compile smapinntpd for OS/2. Without any success, because of some
strange errors around ld.exe.

Did you ever tried to compile smapinntpd for os/2?

Bye/2 Torsten

... MAILBOX01: up 2d 7h 09m load: 36 proc, 156 threads (tbupv1.0)
--- GoldED+ 1.1.5-18
* Origin: DatenBahn BBS Hamburg (2:240/5832)

Torsten Bamberg <2:240/5832> wrote:

I'm trying to compile smapinntpd for OS/2. Without any success, because
of some strange errors around ld.exe.

Did you ever tried to compile smapinntpd for os/2?

I tried but no success here either. :(

'Tommi

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* Origin: *** nntps://rpi.rbb.bbs.fi *** (2:221/360)

Hallo Tommi!

19.11.2018 09:36, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

Did you ever tried to compile smapinntpd for os/2?

I tried but no success here either. :(

Well... it works, not full configured, but the first test is successful. :-)

=##= Anfang "smapinntpd.log" =##=
19-Nov-18 23:38:56 SmapiNNTPd/2 1.1 is running on port 5000
19-Nov-18 23:38:56 Compiled Nov 19 2018 23:19:02
19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Connection established to 192.168.0.55 19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Failed to open JAM messagebase "e:\dbahn\msg\netmail\NETMAIL"
19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Connection closed
19-Nov-18 23:46:08 SmapiNNTPd/2 exited
=##= Ende "smapinntpd.log" =##=

'Tommi

Bye/2 Torsten

... MAILBOX01: up 2d 17h 54m load: 34 proc, 135 threads (tbupv1.0)
--- GoldED+ 1.1.5-18
* Origin: DatenBahn BBS Hamburg (2:240/5832)

Hi! Nick,

On 11/21/2018 12:47 AM, you wrote:

60.3.1 here, unless something messes up on it's way out of here it seems to be working fine.

Mine...

--- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101

Thunderbird/31.4.0

Yours...

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60

Same/similar base code, mostly. Does yours 'shoot around corners' (quote from a 'Robin Hood' movie [not the one you're thinking of]) or will it make my coffee? I am unexcited at the prospect of more code bloat when the one I have does my Fidonet NNTP and basic email.

Oh, and long time no see. ;)

A lot of water under the bridge, for sure. Much happenings behind the scenes here, with disasters & disappointments. I am unhappy with my main node's plight with its tosser. I cannot find a decent replacement that's not attached
to a BBS trying to be the Swiss Army Knife answer to a question that nobody really thought to ask.

Such is life. I need chocolate...

Cheers,
Paul.

--- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0
* Origin: Klingon prompt: Strike any user when ready. (3:640/1384.125)

Well... it works, not full configured, but the first test is successful. :-)

19-Nov-18 23:38:56 SmapiNNTPd/2 1.1 is running on port 5000
19-Nov-18 23:38:56 Compiled Nov 19 2018 23:19:02
19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Connection established to

192.168.0.55

19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Failed to open JAM messagebase "e:\dbahn\msg\netmail\NETMAIL"
19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Connection closed
19-Nov-18 23:46:08 SmapiNNTPd/2 exited

Great news. :-)

'Tommi

--- Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32)
* Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/1)

Hello,

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:21:28 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Mine...

 NB>> --- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101

Thunderbird/31.4.0

Yours...

 NB>> --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101
 NB>> Thunderbird/60

Same/similar base code, mostly.  Does yours 'shoot around corners'
(quote from a 'Robin Hood' movie [not the one you're thinking of]) or
will it make my coffee?  I am unexcited at the prospect of more code bloat when the one I have does my Fidonet NNTP and basic email.

I can understand that when working with old(er) hardware. In my case I'm using a fairly newer gaming rig where code bloat really doesn't make any difference in performance, at least humanly noticeable. So as long as updates actually work, I have no problem updating them.

 NB>> Oh, and long time no see. ;)

A lot of water under the bridge, for sure.  Much happenings behind the scenes here, with disasters & disappointments.  I am unhappy with my
main node's plight with its tosser.  I cannot find a decent replacement that's not attached to a BBS trying to be the Swiss Army Knife answer to
a question that nobody really thought to ask.

Why so many disappointments? There's always the turn of cheek method where you can just not look at this stuff for like 10 months like I just did. ;)

What plights are you having?

What are you looking for a decent replacement for, or what are you currently using?

What have you looked at so far? And what did you *not* like about them?

Such is life.  I need chocolate...

Seems to do the trick, albeit only temporarily. ;)

Regards,
Nick

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60
* Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (1:154/10)

Hi! Nick,

On 11/21/2018 11:42 PM, you wrote:

Why so many disappointments? There's always the turn of cheek method
where you can just not look at this stuff for like 10 months like I just did. ;)

So did I. For about 12 months.

What plights are you having?

Well it started with the demise of my 25 year-old MS-DOS/Windows 98SE system due to an incompatible SVGA adapter driver after a VirtualBox (vBox) *update*, on my 32-bit Xubuntu (X'u) desktop. It works fine on my 8 year-old Dell 64-bit
X'u desktop but cannot run with the same 24/7@365 reliability that I require, due to its UPS battery being exhausted. It's too late to bring it back on-line
now, and, considering its limited future IAC, it's really a lost cause.

What are you looking for a decent replacement for, or what are you currently using?

FMail32/lnx, which requires a Windows 32-bit FMail configuration program. As you may know, FMail is stuck in middle-90s Fidonet DOS think. Its netmail packer/router logic sux megakilos and is limited in basic functionality, so I'm
using CF-Route or Crashmail (still), requiring that both of those configurations are updated in parallel with FMail's. The scripting solutions are a wonder of modern DOS-think.

Now, the maintainer has done the best he can in his own time to make the system
work in Linux but there are times where DOS or Linux paths simply do not work with other Fido tools/utilities. Thank the
'maker' for filebox functionality in modern mailers! However there are times when even that doesn't work. E.g., I once had a netmail delivered fine but the
file I was sending went to an AKA of his was delivered in a separate simultaneous session (fortunately, to a different co-located PC I believe).

What have you looked at so far? And what did you *not* like about them?

I don't keep a diary. And we both don't really have the time to pick things apart. My operating requirements are a bit tight considering that my current Fidonet vBox server is a 32-bit X'u 14.04 LTS, with 4Gb RAM in the cheapest HP
'junkbox' I could buy. Its OS needs updating by April next year, according to the warning I get when SSH-ing to it... or else. ;)

I figure the best way to achieve minimum disruption to service is to migrate the Fidonet desktop configuration to a vBox one, and then run it temporarily on
the old Dell. You may appreciate that converting such a configuration to a vBox may afford an opportunity to fine-tune the software mix.

After exhaustive research (both in Fido or on the WWW) and/or thought experiments, I am currently playing with a limited Mystic BBS installation, sufficient to feed the current pseudo-hub cross-up/down echomail links. Trial(s) will begin next week. Frankly, I am unsure of its netmail routing capability or even of its co-operation with a JamNNTPd configuration (/NB/ I know it has its own _but_ do you know if JamNNTPd could work with it?).

In brief, I have discounted: other DOS vBox arrangements; HPT (based on indirect advice from Tommi); various Windows vBox arrangements; an MBSE config trashed; a theoretical Syncronet/lnx config; or, even an (unknown-capability) hack of SBBSecho (I did make a nice PDF of its Wiki entry too... it looks vaguely familiar and beaut). Plus a -lot- of variations.

Such is life. I need chocolate...

Seems to do the trick, albeit only temporarily. ;)

Apparently it works for astro/cosmo-nauts and antarctic research crews too, with whom I share a similar solitary situation. 8-)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello,

On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 10:21:48 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Well it started with the demise of my 25 year-old MS-DOS/Windows 98SE system due to an incompatible SVGA adapter driver after a VirtualBox (vBox) *update*, on my 32-bit Xubuntu (X'u) desktop.  It works fine on
my 8 year-old Dell 64-bit X'u desktop but cannot run with the same 24/7@365 reliability that I require, due to its UPS battery being exhausted.  It's too late to bring it back on-line now, and, considering its limited future IAC, it's really a lost cause.

Do you even have to incorporate your video card into Vbox? I thought you could use their built in drivers..

FMail32/lnx, which requires a Windows 32-bit FMail configuration program.  As you may know, FMail is stuck in middle-90s Fidonet DOS think.  Its netmail packer/router logic sux megakilos and is limited in basic functionality, so I'm using CF-Route or Crashmail (still),
requiring that both of those configurations are updated in parallel with FMail's.  The scripting solutions are a wonder of modern DOS-think.

Bummer. I was hoping Wilfred would have gotten to that by now, but I can see the motivation level has to be pretty high these days to ditch real life and work on software for this hobby. However when it does happen I don't mind testing it. ;)

I don't keep a diary.  And we both don't really have the time to pick things apart.  My operating requirements are a bit tight considering
that my current Fidonet vBox server is  a 32-bit X'u 14.04 LTS, with 4Gb RAM in the cheapest HP 'junkbox' I could buy.  Its OS needs updating by April next year, according to the warning I get when SSH-ing to it... or else.  ;)

About a year ago I picked up a dedicated HP proliant server machine specifically for this stuff. Once everything was setup and the quirks were taken care of, I hadn't had to touch it for months. I'm beginning to wonder if that's the reason I got bored and found other things to do. ;)

After exhaustive research (both in Fido or on the WWW) and/or thought experiments, I am currently playing with a limited Mystic BBS installation, sufficient to feed the current pseudo-hub cross-up/down echomail links.  Trial(s) will begin next week.  Frankly, I am unsure of its netmail routing capability or even of its co-operation with a
JamNNTPd configuration (/NB/ I know it has its own _but_ do you know if JamNNTPd could work with it?).

I believe James had worked out any indifferences in Mystic's JAM message base implementation. That being said, it works with Golded wonderfully, so I don't see why it wouldn't be able to share it's messsage base with JAMNNTPd either. Obviously some settings in Mystic would need to be done like making sure you don't pack or renumber the message bases, but other than that should be good to
go.

In brief, I have discounted: other DOS vBox arrangements; HPT (based on indirect advice from Tommi); various Windows vBox arrangements; an MBSE config trashed; a theoretical Syncronet/lnx config; or, even an (unknown-capability) hack of SBBSecho (I did make a nice PDF of its Wiki entry too... it looks vaguely familiar and beaut).  Plus a -lot- of variations.

I've used HPT for quite awhile now, and honestly can't think of any major issues besides my own misconfigurations or forgetfulness (for example, adding a
route line when a new link is connected, simple things like that) I've ever had
with it.

Regards,
Nick

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Hi! Nick,

On 11/23/2018 03:42 AM, you wrote:

Do you even have to incorporate your video card into Vbox? I thought you could use their built in drivers..

For the guest Windows system. The stock Win98se driver would only give 640x480
resolution, maximum. On my two Win98se systems, each was using a different SVGA driver providing 1024x768. Much, much better (I have screen capture videos showing such).

The wildcat 'beta' type on the Fido vBox got rejected in a recent vBox update, and turned into a roiling blackhole from which nothing radiated... not even light. The other didn't have trouble and still runs great, but I found through
early experimentation that it neither will run DOS programs in a window nor full-screen.

Bummer. I was hoping Wilfred would have gotten to that by now, but I can see the motivation level has to be pretty high these days to ditch real life and work on software for this hobby. However when it does happen I don't mind testing it. ;)

Yes, I figure a userbase of two. My test system has just passed the 12 month mark, and continues... a Frankenstein-ian entity.

About a year ago I picked up a dedicated HP proliant server machine specifically for this stuff. Once everything was setup and the quirks
were taken care of, I hadn't had to touch it for months. I'm beginning
to wonder if that's the reason I got bored and found other things to do.

;)

Yes. Tell me about your gaming. Are you doing any ARMA 3? (I'm seriously following the ShackTac boys.) And, am liking the Star Citizen stuff (especially the 'Con' demo vids).

I believe James had worked out any indifferences in Mystic's JAM message base implementation. That being said, it works with Golded wonderfully,

Oh yes.

so I don't see why it wouldn't be able to share it's messsage base with JAMNNTPd either. Obviously some settings in Mystic would need to be done like making sure you don't pack or renumber the message bases, but other than that should be good to go.

Yes, I'm looking forward to being able to have another server for Björn to advertise. That's something else that FMail failed at.

I've used HPT for quite awhile now, and honestly can't think of any
major issues besides my own misconfigurations or forgetfulness (for example, adding a route line when a new link is connected, simple things like that) I've ever had with it.

I had some bad luck with the Husky stuff in its _early_ days and I've developed
a cringe attitude to HPT. I eventually got the nodelist and diff-handling working but had real strife with its TIC & echomail but even then it required that I invest in some DOS voodoo to settle the beast. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello,

On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:05:42 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

For the guest Windows system.  The stock Win98se driver would only give 640x480 resolution, maximum.  On my two Win98se systems, each was using
a different SVGA driver providing 1024x768.  Much, much better (I have screen capture videos showing such).

So with this being said, are you referring to Win98se's display *before* VBox is even involved? If so, then it's probably not an issue with VBox itself. Otherwise, If it only happens in VBox, you can probably try to use the built in
default drivers in VBox settings.

The wildcat 'beta' type on the Fido vBox got rejected in a recent vBox update, and turned into a roiling blackhole from which nothing
radiated... not even light.  The other didn't have trouble and still
runs great, but I found through early experimentation that it neither
will run DOS programs in a window nor full-screen.

VBox or Win98se?

Yes.  Tell me about your gaming.  Are you doing any ARMA 3?  (I'm seriously following the ShackTac boys.)  And, am liking the Star Citizen stuff (especially the 'Con' demo vids).

To be honest I haven't done much of that either. I skipped this year's Call of Duty release due to the fact that PC gaming is dying as far as when a new game like that comes out, you get like 2-3 months of solid activity and then it gets
hard to find a match. So not really worth the money spent these days unless you
have a console. I can't bring myself to use a controller on FPS games though, and don't really want to spend the money on a mouse and keyboard setup for the PS4 that I may rarely use.

I've still played PUBG (PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds) when I can, since I don't think that game will ever get boring. ;)

Yes, I'm looking forward to being able to have another server for Björn to advertise.  That's something else that FMail failed at.

I thought the whole point of this was *not* to use a "swiss army knife" BBS software? I mean whatever works for you of course, and I know you've used Mystic for quite some time, so obviously the comfort level is there for you.

I had some bad luck with the Husky stuff in its _early_ days and I've developed a cringe attitude to HPT.  I eventually got the nodelist and diff-handling working but had real strife with its TIC & echomail but
even then it required that I invest in some DOS voodoo to settle the beast.  :)

All the software is there, you just have to write batch files or scripts to use
them in a way that works for you obviously. Not sure how much DOS voodoo you would need, as I thought all, or most of your VMs were Linux based?

Regards,
Nick

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Hi! Nick,

On 11/24/2018 11:44 PM, you wrote:

So with this being said, are you referring to Win98se's display *before* VBox is even involved? If so, then it's probably not an issue with VBox itself. Otherwise, If it only happens in VBox, you can probably try to
use the built in default drivers in VBox settings.

Firstly, there is /nil/ support in vBox for anything Win9x. T'ain't no "Guest Additions" and no working OOTB Windows SVGA driver, so, the SVGA driver had been written by a third party to fill the gap. The vBox people say it is all exceedingly very bloody difficult and don't even recommend installing Win9x in vBox. Hence, no support.

OTOH, wouldn't you want to use a multi-tasking GUI OS that only uses 128Mb RAM (maybe just 64Mb but I didn't want to be overly stingy)? Especially if such can
give renewed life to 20+ years-old accumulated utilities & custom scripts. :)

runs great, but I found through early experimentation that it neither
will run DOS programs in a window nor full-screen.

VBox or Win98se?

The alternate (vBox) SVGA driver-supported system. (Entirely different driver,
BTW.) It's been running happily as a Win98se system for quite a few years, so long as I throw Windows *only* apps at it. Any attempted windowed/full-screen DOS sessions lock it up. It still runs so long as I'm careful.

It was even running Radius from a LAN share on it as well as its primary job for a couple of weeks recently, but I've stopped doing that after Radius TRAP-ped unexpectedly one morning. That was for a downlink who can/will-not change his iRex _from_ port 24554.

I thought the whole point of this was *not* to use a "swiss army knife" BBS software? I mean whatever works for you of course, and I know you've used Mystic for quite some time, so obviously the comfort level is there for you.

There's another 32-bit Linux tosser? Where? What? Hunh? Pray tell, as I have not heard of one other than HPT.

Mystic fitted nicely into my hardware & software constraints. I am very pleased with it. I haven't been this happy for nearly a decade. Can't you tell from my smile? :)

All the software is there, you just have to write batch files or scripts to use them in a way that works for you obviously. Not sure how much DOS voodoo you would need, as I thought all, or most of your VMs were Linux based?

Yes. The DOS doin's was just after fire was tamed and the wheel introduced into general use. Think of a time when Husky's nodelist handling stuff first became available.

I don't do DOS any more. Just simple procedural bash-ing.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi! Nick,

On 11/25/2018 11:43 PM, you wrote:

Is there some kind of issue stopping you from using a newer version
of Windows? Or even scrapping Windows altogether and using a Linux
GUI to host your Vbox sessions? That said, using a Linux GUI to host
may even allow for no need for Vbox at all..?

Yes. Actually I don't 'do' Windows any longer. Both my hosts have Xubuntu OSs, currently running four vBox PCs: one private node (Linux), for network testing and nodelist-sandboxing; one non-Fido Win98se server, running (now-unused) proxies, intranet http server and pop3/smtp servers; the Mystic (Linux) test system; and, my other favourite Linux (below...).

These things just serve me now, where the LAN used to support a family of four.
(I'm scaling back - an astonishing thought...) The old Dell, recently recovered, relocated & re-built, used to host 5x vBox tasks but is only doing one now. It's hosting my very first Linux PC (from 2005) now as a vBox!, still
running LAN services (e.g. DLNA media server for my MP3 & photos collection). It's multi-talented too, and has a Fido test system also installed.

Me personally? No. I don't use anything 20+ years old here as I have no need for it. All of my hardware is much newer than that, and can handle just about anything I throw at it. I use the free version of VMWare ESXi on my server machine, which runs 3-4 Archlinux 64-bit instances that powers all of my BBS/FTN operations, as well as a media center.

There you go. Differences in outlook & scale.

Sounds like you have still have some hair pulling operations needing
some sorting out over there. ;)

Not really. I'm excited every morning. Whoo!hoo!

Crashmail II I guess, but I believe you've already tried that. HPT is obviously the main choice up to now.

CM II still runs here on one node 24/7 & this point. It has been my experience
that with both the distribution Linux binaries and locally-compiled versions of
the sources for version 0.71 will strip SEENBYs
and mangle PATHs on echomail flowing through a non-leaf node.

The same occurs with the fancy CM 1.xx versions on SourceForge. They are just cosmetic fixes, fune-tuning the programming 'style'. Even the current Scandinavian version, 0.88, hasn't been fixed.

Next.

Sounds like there may be an option in the (whoknowswhen) future as far
as D'Bridge goes. But that may end up somewhere in the same realm as
FMail as far as stuck DOS related things going on there. But who knows,
I would be inclinded to give it a test-go.

Yes. Really? That was a passing thought of mine a decade ago, just about when
Windows lost its shine for me. I didn't see much of a future for D'Bridge then
but I'm sure it's a damned fine system still.

OTOH, I was wrong about FMail. It has too much middle-90s baggage that I was unaware of.

I run a separate Mystic system here not available to the public for testing purposes as well. I have for quite some time. Quite a bit of the early FTN/BinkP integration was by my request and whatever assistance I could give in testing.

Ah, I thought so. You done good, except the BSO looks weird. But, if it works
then I ain't gonna argue. ;-)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello,

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:38:06 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Yes.  Actually I don't 'do' Windows any longer.  Both my hosts have Xubuntu OSs, currently running four vBox PCs: one private node (Linux), for network testing and nodelist-sandboxing; one non-Fido Win98se
server, running (now-unused) proxies, intranet http server and pop3/smtp servers; the Mystic (Linux) test system; and, my other favourite Linux (below...).

I see. I take it Win98se is the last license you bought for Windows? I could only imagine the insecurities and vulnerabilities they've fixed since then. ;)

These things just serve me now, where the LAN used to support a family
of four.  (I'm scaling back - an astonishing thought...)  The old Dell, recently recovered, relocated & re-built, used to host 5x vBox tasks but is only doing one now.  It's hosting my very first Linux PC (from 2005) now as a vBox!, still running LAN services (e.g. DLNA media server for
my MP3 & photos collection).  It's multi-talented too, and has a Fido test system also installed.

From 2005 meaning never updated? Or have you been maintaining since then?

CM II still runs here on one node 24/7 & this point.  It has been my experience that with both the distribution Linux binaries and locally-compiled versions of the sources for version 0.71 will strip SEENBYs
and mangle PATHs on echomail flowing through a non-leaf node.

Ahh ok. I've only setup CMII for testing purposes, but never actually put it into use.

Yes.  Really?  That was a passing thought of mine a decade ago, just about when Windows lost its shine for me.  I didn't see much of a future for D'Bridge then but I'm sure it's a damned fine system still.

As far as I can tell there's still quite a bit of work being done. At this point I think it's just service packs for minor fixes until Nick can do some major changes (ie: I guess v4.0 has a Linux flavor in the works).

Ah, I thought so.  You done good, except the BSO looks weird.  But, if it works then I ain't gonna argue.  ;-)

What looks wierd about the BSO? Is it because it's 5D outbound directory naming
whereas most of us are used to only 4D?

JAMNNTPd - There I mentioned it so we're still on topic. I don't know what the strictness level is on this echo as far as that. If we need to move echos to keep the discussion going let me know.

At this point in time we should just be grateful someone is saying *something* somewhere. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hi! Nick,

On 11/27/2018 12:51 AM, you wrote:

I see. I take it Win98se is the last license you bought for Windows? I could only imagine the insecurities and vulnerabilities they've fixed since then. ;)

Actually the last is my wife's XP SP2. (I don't use it any longer.) It used to run on her Ubuntu PC as a vBox but she only ever saw XP full-screen. Same difference though WRT updates.

my MP3 & photos collection). It's multi-talented too, and has a Fido
test system also installed.

From 2005 meaning never updated? Or have you been maintaining since then?

Never updated. They got it right the first time... well, it's Puppy version 4.12 (Linux v2.5.x), and version 2.00 of the particular edition (MacPuppy).

There are =no= public-facing well-known servers active on this LAN, verified with several web tools... except for Fidonet (binkP counts now).

for D'Bridge then but I'm sure it's a damned fine system still.

As far as I can tell there's still quite a bit of work being done. At
this point I think it's just service packs for minor fixes until Nick
can do some major changes (ie: I guess v4.0 has a Linux flavor in the works).

I recall Nick saying that won't happen. Maybe I'm wrong... probably I'm wrong.
Nearly exactly three years back he said he was working on v4.xx for a "multitude of OS platforms". I thought he said since that he's somewhat disappointed that he couldn't.

What looks wierd about the BSO? Is it because it's 5D outbound directory naming whereas most of us are used to only 4D?

Ermm... mine seems to want to use a single outbound for -all- of Fidonet, regardless of zone. Early days, as it might only have created the 'default' zone. No real testing yet.

JAMNNTPd - There I mentioned it so we're still on topic. I don't know
what the strictness level is on this echo as far as that. If we need to move echos to keep the discussion going let me know.

At this point in time we should just be grateful someone is saying *something* somewhere. ;)

Dude. That's why I'm here. I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves JAMNNTPd.
A fixed CM II 2.xx would be a wonderful winner.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Paul Quinn <3:640/1384.125> wrote:

I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves JAMNNTPd.

HPT, the best. :) There's also a perl script to create groups file. Simple.

'Tommi

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Hi! Tommi,

On 11/27/2018 04:34 PM, you wrote:

I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves JAMNNTPd.

HPT, the best. :) There's also a perl script to create groups file.

Simple.

Ah, I see where I went wrong. Back on the 19th you told Mark Lewis that "Sqpack from Husky renumbers automatically". Not knowing better I took it to mean JAM areas. On reflection, that might mean Squish areas...true?

Cheers,
Paul.

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Paul Quinn <3:640/1384.125> wrote:

>> I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves JAMNNTPd.

TK> HPT, the best. :) There's also a perl script to create groups file. Simple.

Ah, I see where I went wrong. Back on the 19th you told Mark Lewis that "Sqpack from Husky renumbers automatically". Not knowing better I took
it to mean JAM areas. On reflection, that might mean Squish areas...true?

The automatic renumbering seems to affect both jam and squish. So I don't pack/purge until I find an utility which does not renumber. Disk space is not an issue nowadays.

'Tommi

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Disk space is not an issue nowadays.

True. Comment linking time however still is.



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Hi! Tommi,

On 11/27/2018 06:10 PM, you wrote:

The automatic renumbering seems to affect both jam and squish. So I
don't pack/purge until I find an utility which does not renumber. Disk space is not an issue nowadays.

Thanks, mate. That's nice to know. My vBox-ed Linux PCs typically have a limited 10Gb virtual HDD(.vdi). They are easily expanded, of course. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Bj”rn Felten <2:203/2> wrote:

TK> Disk space is not an issue nowadays.

True. Comment linking time however still is.

"hpt -q link -j" is very fast ("-j" links jam with crc). Still not an issue.

'Tommi

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Thanks, mate. That's nice to know.

Johan Billing's crashmaint (part of the crashmail II suite) does NOT renumber the JAM areas -- only the .MSG areas.

I've used it for 14 years now without a single problem.

'crashmaint MAINT PACK' works like a charm every time. YMMV... 8-)



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"hpt -q link -j" is very fast ("-j" links jam with crc). Still not an issue.

Even when the area exceeds 100k messages?

Anyway, I'm not ready for hpt. Crashmail II by Johan is still my forte.


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 TK>> The automatic renumbering seems to affect both jam and squish. So I
 TK>> don't pack/purge until I find an utility which does not renumber. Disk
 TK>> space is not an issue nowadays.

Thanks, mate.  That's nice to know. 

And the good news for smapinntpd users: "hptutil purge/pack" seems not
to renumber squish base. Jam yes. :(

'Tommi

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Bj”rn Felten <2:203/2> wrote:

"hpt -q link -j" is very fast ("-j" links jam with crc). Still not an issue.

Even when the area exceeds 100k messages?

Yep.

Message count does not really matter, linking is done only for the just-tossed messages.

Anyway, I'm not ready for hpt. Crashmail II by Johan is still my forte.

Your loss. ;)

'Tommi

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Hi! Bj”rn,

On 27 Nov 18 10:12, you wrote to me:

Johan Billing's crashmaint (part of the crashmail II suite) does
NOT renumber the JAM areas -- only the .MSG areas.
I've used it for 14 years now without a single problem.
'crashmaint MAINT PACK' works like a charm every time. YMMV... 8-)

I know. It's been doing wonderfully here on 2-3 nodes (several testers) and a point, for about half as long, or that is, for as long as I've ever known about
CM. I'm a devotee also.

The only area(s) it fails at... in Linux vBox PCs and desktops... it chews SEENBYs and invents _new_ PATHs, even for traffic passing through. (Remember Tommi checking out my config file... once upon a time?)

That's... Linux compilations. Your Win32 doover might be different. There again, it is (hiding?) behind Squish... therefore the problem may never present.

I can't find a Linux Squish. If there was one, then I'd jump to be first in line to use it. I used to use it, even _with_ FastEcho, since FE didn't know how to maintain Squish areas.

Next. ;-)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi! Tommi,

On 27 Nov 18 11:19, you wrote to me:

And the good news for smapinntpd users: "hptutil purge/pack" seems not
to renumber squish base. Jam yes. :(

Oh, bugger. :-{

Cheers,
Paul.

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Message count does not really matter, linking is done only for the just-tossed messages.

???

In order to find the message linking to, surely the program must search the entire message base?



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it chews SEENBYs and invents _new_ PATHs, even for traffic passing

through.

CrashMaint does that? Strange...




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Re: smapinntpd
By: Paul Quinn to Bj”rn Felten on Tue Nov 27 2018 08:02 pm

I can't find a Linux Squish. If there was one, then I'd jump to be first in line to use it. I used to use it, even _with_ FastEcho, since FE didn't know how to maintain Squish areas.

There is a source release that includes Maximus and Squish at sourceforge.net. It was being worked on just after the source for Maximus was released by Lanius. There are minor visual glitches with the linux version but I found that it worked the same as I remember it working with Dos and OS/2.

I didn't use it extensively.. so beware.. ;)

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hi! Björn,

On 27 Nov 18 11:15, you wrote to me:

it chews SEENBYs and invents _new_ PATHs, even for traffic
passing through.

CrashMaint does that? Strange...

Uh-huh. Wanna run a test? Next week? I can re-activate a CM tester node to feed one of yours; node or a point.

Here's a favourite EwwToob presentation, while you consider...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_UJDR5_xtA

BTW, there is another video from a different angle. Both are equally magical.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi! Alan,

On 27 Nov 18 02:26, you wrote to me:

the linux version but I found that it worked the same as I remember it working with Dos and OS/2.

I didn't use it extensively.. so beware.. ;)

Kewl! I promise. Thank you! Wow! But not too soon. Enuff on me plate already. ;-)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi Björn.

27 Nov 18 11:14:04, you wrote to me:

Message count does not really matter, linking is done only for the
just-tossed messages.

???

In order to find the message linking to, surely the program must search the entire message base?

When linking JAM with CRC, it is done in index files, not in msg files.

See the difference in size :

=== Cut ===

Directory of K:\bbs\msgbase\*.jdt 2 774 272 778 bytes

Directory of K:\bbs\msgbase\*.jdx 11 077 696 bytes

=== Cut ===

'Tommi

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Hi! Nick,

On 11/28/2018 12:18 AM, you wrote:

I guess I'm just trying to figure out why you seem to stick with
Win98se. I mean I know the usual reasons like comfort, used to it, ease
of use, etc. But is there something there that newer Windows OSes are lacking?

1. An overriding RAM restriction: 4Gb per host. 2. Win98se needs only 128Mb RAM, and the older Puppy systems only need 256-512Mb/per. 3. No income, as all
of my wealth is tied up in assets.

....outlook and scale...

Never updated. They got it right the first time... well, it's
Puppy version 4.12 (Linux v2.5.x), and version 2.00 of the
particular edition (MacPuppy).

Yikes! Linux 2.5, you may even be able to setup that broken version of Irex for Linux on there. ;)

Excuse me? I've never run iRex for anything. I confused you. Sorry.

I was running Radius for a downlink using iRex/W32 who will not reset to port 24555, to catch my backup system after the primary node imploded in the vBox update on 17 August.

Radius TRAP-ped on my web-tools server Win98se vBox, so I'm now running two binkD servers on both ports, 24554 & 24555. Only one is nodelisted. (The second binkD was always running as a LAN 'Stargate' IAC.) Both are publically available though only the nodelisted one will serve *all* current links.

the 'default' zone. No real testing yet.

If I remember right, the default zone setting would obviously be your default Fidonet outbound directory for zone 3. However, every other zone should have their own directory (ie: if default zone is "fidonet", you should have fidonet.001, fidonet.002, and fidonet.004 if links for those zones are in your config and you've sent netmail to them). Then for any other network you setup it would have a different directory naming
scheme, not using the "fidonet" prefix, it would use the actual name of the network.

Yes.

Dude. That's why I'm here. I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves
JAMNNTPd. A fixed CM II 2.xx would be a wonderful winner.

Seems as though you've tried the limited options out there. Also seems
as though since CM II hasn't been touched in forever besides adding a couple text files and moving it to sourceforge or github, it may not
ever get fixed. ;(

Yes. :(

Cheers,
Paul.

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2. Win98se needs only 128Mb RAM,

Only?

TinyXP Rev10
- Hard Disk Space Used = 833Mb
- RAM Usage = 60.3Mb
- Services Started = 20




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Hi! Bj”rn,

On 28 Nov 18 05:22, you wrote to me:

2. Win98se needs only 128Mb RAM,

Only?

TinyXP Rev10
- Hard Disk Space Used = 833Mb
- RAM Usage = 60.3Mb
- Services Started = 20

I give it 128 as I am a generous soul, even though vBox itself recommends 64. :-P

Cheers,
Paul.

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28 Nov 18 05:22, Bj”rn Felten wrote to Paul Quinn:

2. Win98se needs only 128Mb RAM,

Only?

I thought that 640k ought to be enough...

'Tommi

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Hello,

On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:01:50 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

1. An overriding RAM restriction: 4Gb per host.  2.  Win98se needs only 128Mb RAM, and the older Puppy systems only need 256-512Mb/per.  3. No income, as all of my wealth is tied up in assets.

...outlook and scale...

Ah ok.

 NB>> Yikes! Linux 2.5, you may even be able to setup that broken

version of Irex for Linux on there. ;)

Excuse me?  I've never run iRex for anything.  I confused you.  Sorry.

No confusion. It was somewhat of a joke since the Linux version of Irex was never updated for the 2.6+ kernel versions.

Regards,
Nick

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Hallo Tommi!

19.11.2018 09:36, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

Did you ever tried to compile smapinntpd for os/2?

I tried but no success here either. :(

Thanks for the information. Because of this, I have to take a look into the source code. I think, some very old husky smapi was used to compile.
It would be nice, to have smapinntp working on OS/2 EcS as well. :-)

'Tommi

Bye/2 Torsten

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Hello,

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:24:14 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Tommi Koivula wrote:

 TK>> Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the
 TK>> "from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set
 TK>> "off".

It's beyond my pay grade too.  Through a comedy of errors, I have only a single functioning Thunderbird and that's the one: version 31.4 on my netbook, since any later models fuck up in some way or another.  Or, I haven't bothered to install one.  If I do, it will be an older version.

60.3.1 here, unless something messes up on it's way out of here it seems to be working fine.

Oh, and long time no see. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hello,

On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 10:05:38 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Firstly, there is /nil/ support in vBox for anything Win9x.  T'ain't no "Guest Additions" and no working OOTB Windows SVGA driver, so, the SVGA driver had been written by a third party to fill the gap.  The vBox people say it is all exceedingly very bloody difficult and don't even recommend installing Win9x in vBox.  Hence, no support.

Is there some kind of issue stopping you from using a newer version of Windows?
Or even scrapping Windows altogether and using a Linux GUI to host your Vbox sessions? That said, using a Linux GUI to host may even allow for no need for Vbox at all..?

OTOH, wouldn't you want to use a multi-tasking GUI OS that only uses
128Mb RAM (maybe just 64Mb but I didn't want to be overly stingy)? Especially if such can give renewed life to 20+ years-old accumulated utilities & custom scripts.  :)

Me personally? No. I don't use anything 20+ years old here as I have no need for it. All of my hardware is much newer than that, and can handle just about anything I throw at it. I use the free version of VMWare ESXi on my server machine, which runs 3-4 Archlinux 64-bit instances that powers all of my BBS/FTN operations, as well as a media center.

The alternate (vBox) SVGA driver-supported system.  (Entirely different driver, BTW.)  It's been running happily as a Win98se system for quite a few years, so long as I throw Windows *only* apps at it.  Any attempted windowed/full-screen DOS sessions lock it up.  It still runs so long as I'm careful.

Sounds like you have still have some hair pulling operations needing some sorting out over there. ;)

There's another 32-bit Linux tosser?  Where?  What?  Hunh?  Pray tell, as I have not heard of one other than HPT.

Crashmail II I guess, but I believe you've already tried that. HPT is obviously
the main choice up to now.

Sounds like there may be an option in the (whoknowswhen) future as far as D'Bridge goes. But that may end up somewhere in the same realm as FMail as far as stuck DOS related things going on there. But who knows, I would be inclinded
to give it a test-go.

Mystic fitted nicely into my hardware & software constraints.  I am very pleased with it.  I haven't been this happy for nearly a decade.  Can't you tell from my smile?  :)

I run a separate Mystic system here not available to the public for testing purposes as well. I have for quite some time. Quite a bit of the early FTN/BinkP integration was by my request and whatever assistance I could give in
testing.

I don't do DOS any more.  Just simple procedural bash-ing.

That's a good thing. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hello,

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:43:50 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Actually the last is my wife's XP SP2.  (I don't use it any longer.)  It used to run on her Ubuntu PC as a vBox but she only ever saw XP full-screen.  Same difference though WRT updates.

I guess I'm just trying to figure out why you seem to stick with Win98se. I mean I know the usual reasons like comfort, used to it, ease of use, etc. But is there something there that newer Windows OSes are lacking?

Never updated.  They got it right the first time... well, it's Puppy version 4.12 (Linux v2.5.x), and version 2.00 of the particular edition (MacPuppy).

Yikes! Linux 2.5, you may even be able to setup that broken version of Irex for
Linux on there. ;)

I recall Nick saying that won't happen.  Maybe I'm wrong... probably I'm wrong.  Nearly exactly three years back he said he was working on v4.xx for a "multitude of OS platforms".  I thought he said since that he's somewhat disappointed that he couldn't.

To be honest, I have no idea. Before I took my long Fido vacation I was under the assumption it was still in the works. Though by now it could very well have
changed.

Ermm... mine seems to want to use a single outbound for -all- of
Fidonet, regardless of zone.  Early days, as it might only have created the 'default' zone.  No real testing yet.

If I remember right, the default zone setting would obviously be your default Fidonet outbound directory for zone 3. However, every other zone should have their own directory (ie: if default zone is "fidonet", you should have fidonet.001, fidonet.002, and fidonet.004 if links for those zones are in your config and you've sent netmail to them). Then for any other network you setup it would have a different directory naming scheme, not using the "fidonet" prefix, it would use the actual name of the network.

Dude.  That's why I'm here.  I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves JAMNNTPd.  A fixed CM II 2.xx would be a wonderful winner.

Seems as though you've tried the limited options out there. Also seems as though since CM II hasn't been touched in forever besides adding a couple text files and moving it to sourceforge or github, it may not ever get fixed. ;(

Regards,
Nick

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