Re: strange things, {at}synchronet sites
By: Alan Ianson to August Abolins on Sun Nov 08 2020 04:55 pm

Hmm.. curious. I don't have chrome installed but it seems to work for me here and also at vert.synchro.net with firefox.

The current version of FireFox will not render (display) files downloaded via FTP:
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2020/03/23/firefox-is-dropping-ftp-support/

You can still download files, but those 00index.html files won't be useful to use. Just click the files and folders like you would any other FTP server and that should work fien.
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Re: strange things, {at}synchronet sites
By: August Abolins to Rob Swindell on Mon Nov 09 2020 05:46 am

Hi Rob!

08 Nov 20 19:44, you wrote to me:

Modern browsers will no longer render (display) files they download
via FTP:
https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/6199005675520000

Thanks. And thanks for the Firefox reference. What's the big concern that prompted to disable it?

For most of us, there's no major concern. However, bad actors have, over the years and decades, used ftp as a tool in their acts. They choose FTP because it wasn't designed very well and thus it's easier (than HTTPS, especially) to either compromise or utilize in root-kits or other methods of spreading their ill will to other systems.

I read briefly the catch-all-word "security". What
can go terribly wrong using FTP from the browser?

There are constant security issues in the Internet-connected world. It's a battle being fought substantially by the browser software developers. And eliminating ancient badly designed protocols makes their job (security battle) easier.

Meanwhile, I have the setting: networking.ftp.enable = true ..in FF 82.0.2

Yeah, but "ftp.enable" is different than "ftp.render" (I don't actually know if there's such a setting, but I'm just explaining that FTP support is different than actually parsing and displaying HTML files that are downloaded via FTP). It was a cool feature (the rendering of downloaded HTML) in browsers for 20 years, but that era is over. Hopefully we'll retain the ability to simply download files via FTP for a while longer.
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Re: strange things, {at}synchronet sites
By: Alan Ianson to August Abolins on Sun Nov 08 2020 09:45 pm

Re: strange things, {at}synchronet sites
By: August Abolins to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 09 2020 05:31 am

Revisiting trmb.ca, when I hover over the "File Libraries", it just shows "ftp://trmb.ca" ..and never loads anything.

There is only one file area at trmb.ca right now. I'll get that fixed up soonish. I have to take it offline for a time and work on another issue not BBS related. Hopefully I'll have it up and running smoothly in a week or two.

The link is the same thing at vert, but after what seems like a long time, ultimately the 00index.html content loads. But some of the navigation to other pages seems broken and fails.

I think most browsers have dropped or will drop support for loading html from ftp sites.

Also, sometimes when I click on [Message Groups], I get this:

/* $Id: index.ssjs,v 1.10 2006/02/25 21:41:08 runemaster Exp $ */

load("../web/lib/msgslib.ssjs");

template.title="Message Groups on " +system.name;

if(do_header)
write_template("header.inc");
if(do_topnav)
load(topnav_html);
if(do_leftnav)
load(leftnav_html);
if(do_rightnav)
write_template("rightnav.inc");

template.groups=msg_area.grp_list;

ETC..

I've seen that happen too from time to time but I'm not sure why.

FYI, I am doing this from my replacement laptop: Win7, Firefox 82.0.2 64bit.

My firefox on slackware is 68.?.?. I suspect as we move up in versions I'll be having trouble with ftp also but haven't noticed yet.

I'm thinking of using webv4 with Synchronet. That'll solve any ftp issues since it uses all http rather than ftp. ftp should still work I think, just no 00index.html support in most browsers.

Sounds like maybe you're missing this update to the legacy Synchronet web UI: https://gitlab.synchro.net/sbbs/sbbs/-/commit/f2cd3bfe543033032a3de02c
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