• Dorothy Sayers on `shall' and `will'

    From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to alexander koryagin on Thu Sep 29 13:10:48 2022
    Alexander Koryagin:

    Can we put "I will" instead of "I shall" -- all people
    do it by putting the shortening "'ll" after "I".

    No, many careful writes abstain from this practice, and so
    do I.

    Everybody understand. So we can. ;)

    This utilitarian approach encourages negligient, slipshod
    language, furthering its degeneration, which in turn
    degrades our thinking and expression faculties by way of a
    vicious loop of positive feedback. No, thanks.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Sep 29 13:48:02 2022
    I wrote:

    expression faculties

    expressive faculties, rather.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Sep 29 14:32:58 2022
    Hi Anton Shepelev!
    I read your message on 29-Sep-2022

    AK>> Can we put "I will" instead of "I shall" -- all people do it by
    AK>> putting the shortening "'ll" after "I".
    AS> No, many careful writes abstain from this practice, and so do I.

    Simplification of English is a long life tendency. The simpler you speak
    the bigger auditory listens to you. ;)

    AK>> Everybody understand. So we can. ;)

    AS> This utilitarian approach encourages negligient, slipshod language,
    AS> furthering its degeneration, which in turn degrades our thinking
    AS> and expression faculties by way of a vicious loop of positive
    AS> feedback. No, thanks.

    In English a great lot of words sound similarly, but the context of the
    phrase usually gets the clue. Probably, not only the context, but even
    the "melody" of phrase.

    Bye Anton!
    Alexander
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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to alexander koryagin on Thu Sep 29 15:32:22 2022
    Alexander Koryagin:

    Simplification of English is a long life tendency.The
    simpler you speak the bigger auditory listens to you. ;)

    But gaining a big audience is an evil purpose fit for
    social-network parasites and like-collectors, software
    giants, general money suckers, and vain people. It breeds
    generation upon generation of lazy, clueless, benighted,
    tasteless, uncultured people unwilling to learn and nurtured
    upon surrogates of art and knowledge. A creator or artist
    that fawns upon his audience has betrayed himself. His work
    is always false.

    In English a great lot of words sound similarly, but the
    context of the phrase usually gets the clue. Probably,
    not only the context, but even the "melody" of phrase.

    I believe context, intonation, rhythm, and melody crucial to
    all languages, yet it is a poor justifiction for vulgar
    simplification of language itself to the detriment of its
    beauty and expressiveness.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Anton Shepelev on Fri Sep 30 09:51:45 2022
    Hi Anton Shepelev!
    I read your message on 30-Sep-2022

    AK>> Simplification of English is a long life tendency. The simpler you
    AK>> speak the bigger auditory listens to you. ;)

    AS> But gaining a big audience is an evil purpose fit for social-
    AS> network parasites and like-collectors, software giants, general
    AS> money suckers, and vain people. It breeds generation upon
    AS> generation of lazy, clueless, benighted, tasteless, uncultured
    AS> people unwilling to learn and nurtured upon surrogates of art and
    AS> knowledge. A creator or artist that fawns upon his audience has
    AS> betrayed himself. His work is always false.

    Most ugly and violent ideas can be expressed in a perfect language. Yes,
    the idea is the main thing. And if you want to teach somebody, IMHO it
    will be good to do it with maximum clarity and as simpler as possible.
    You can take any lesson on any subject -- if a teacher chooses a
    complicated way of explanation instead of a simple one he will get his
    aim unlikely. And, besides, the beauty of languages correlated little
    with the number words you use in your story. Another main idea IMHO is
    that you should use words in a proper time. As if they are musical cords.

    AK>> In English a great lot of words sound similarly, but the context
    AK>> of the phrase usually gets the clue. Probably, not only the
    AK>> context, but even the "melody" of phrase.

    AS> I believe context, intonation, rhythm, and melody crucial to all
    AS> languages, yet it is a poor justifiction for vulgar simplification
    AS> of language itself to the detriment of its beauty and
    AS> expressiveness.

    First, of it should be understood which is the target of your art. The
    artists are divided in two groups -- first one knows their auditory,
    fawns it, as you put it; second one doesn't pay any attention on people opinions and does art for the sake of process (art).

    Bye Anton!
    Alexander
    english_tutor 2022
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