• Re: Windows 11

    From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Fri Jun 18 08:29:50 2021
    I just installed the preview of Windows 11 for testing and unfortunately
    it appears that NTVDM/DOS support has been completely removed. It is no longer available as a "legacy component".

    Time to write your own OS ... Linus did it too ...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Jun 14 2021
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  • From Ruben Figueroa@1:124/5014 to Nick Andre on Fri Jun 18 08:59:27 2021
    I just installed the preview of Windows 11 for testing and unfortunately itappears that NTVDM/DOS support has been completely removed. It is no longeravailable as a "legacy component".

    Nick
    --- Renegade vY2Ka2

    That's a shame.

    Ruben Figueroa aka Zazz
    Mystic Prison Board Sysop
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    Web: www.rdfig.net

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  • From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to Dean Galloway on Sat Jun 19 11:35:42 2021
    BY: Dean Galloway(1:114/709)


    appears that NTVDM/DOS support has been completely removed. It is no longer
    available as a "legacy component".

    They are putting us out to pasture. :-(
    We might need to start running Linux. The idea should be is making bbsing easier to setup in Linux for future usage.
    --- WWIV 5.7.2.3536
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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Nick Andre on Sat Jun 19 23:30:39 2021
    Hello Nick!

    Thursday June 17 2021 21:56, you wrote to All:

    I just installed the preview of Windows 11 for testing and
    unfortunately it appears that NTVDM/DOS support has been completely
    removed. It is no longer available as a "legacy component".

    Are you referring to the 21H2 release ?

    Vincent
    --- Mageia Linux v7.1 X64/Mbse v1.0.7.21/GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Vincent Coen on Sun Jun 20 02:52:58 2021
    On 19 Jun 21 23:30:39, Vincent Coen said the following to Nick Andre:

    I just installed the preview of Windows 11 for testing and
    unfortunately it appears that NTVDM/DOS support has been completely
    removed. It is no longer available as a "legacy component".

    Are you referring to the 21H2 release ?

    No. Windows 11.

    Nick
    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Mark Da Silva@1:229/550 to Nick Andre on Mon Jun 21 13:45:07 2021
    I just installed the preview of Windows 11 for testing and unfortunately it appears that NTVDM/DOS support has been completely removed. It is no longer available as a "legacy component".

    Nick


    https://github.com/leecher1337/ntvdmx64

    The above is what I use here. Might work on 11. I can't run 11 here, as it needs TPM 2.0 and secure boot supported, all of which my PC'S don't support.

    Mark

    ... This tagline Copyright 1991 (C) All rights reserved. :-)
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  • From Petros Argyrakis@2:410/9 to Nick Andre on Mon Jun 21 11:24:35 2021
    @MSGID: 1:229/426 76EB20E7
    @TZUTC: -0500
    I just installed the preview of Windows 11 for testing and unfortunately
    it
    appears that NTVDM/DOS support has been completely removed. It is no
    longer
    available as a "legacy component".

    Looking forward to a DBRIDGE 64bit :)

    No pressure you still have a couple of months :)

    --- D'Bridge 4
    * Origin: VM/SP (2:410/9)
  • From Rick Smith@1:105/10 to Petros Argyrakis on Mon Jun 21 17:49:12 2021
    Greetings Petros!

    Monday June 21 2021 11:24, you wrote to Nick Andre about an urgent matter!:

    @MSGID: 1:229/426 76EB20E7
    @TZUTC: -0500
    I just installed the preview of Windows 11 for testing and
    unfortunately it appears that NTVDM/DOS support has been
    completely removed. It is no longer available as a "legacy
    component".

    Looking forward to a DBRIDGE 64bit :)

    No pressure you still have a couple of months :)

    Perfect excuse to port to linux...


    ----
    Regards,


    Rick Smith (Nitro)

    ... Taglines: the bumper stickers of BBSing.
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Mark Da Silva on Mon Jun 21 21:36:46 2021
    On 21 Jun 21 13:45:07, Mark Da Silva said the following to Nick Andre:

    https://github.com/leecher1337/ntvdmx64

    The above is what I use here. Might work on 11. I can't run 11 here, as it needs TPM 2.0 and secure boot supported, all of which my PC'S don't support

    Unfortunately it does not install correctly on 11 because the entire NTVDM subsystem is missing from "Windows features".

    Nick
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Petros Argyrakis on Mon Jun 21 21:37:19 2021
    On 21 Jun 21 11:24:35, Petros Argyrakis said the following to Nick Andre:

    Looking forward to a DBRIDGE 64bit :)

    No pressure you still have a couple of months :)

    I guess I better get cracking...

    Nick
    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Mark Da Silva@1:229/550 to Nick Andre on Tue Jun 22 09:42:52 2021
    Unfortunately it does not install correctly on 11 because the entire
    NTVDM subsystem is missing from "Windows features".

    That sucks. They are putting BBS' out of business, unless you run a moden one.

    Mark

    ... Love is grand. Divorce, twenty grand.
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mark Da Silva on Tue Jun 22 17:46:06 2021
    Unfortunately it does not install correctly on 11 because the entire MD>NA> NTVDM subsystem is missing from "Windows features".

    That sucks. They are putting BBS' out of business, unless you run a
    moden one.

    Any need to sheepishly switch to the next release?

    I drive a 2012-Mercedes ... do I have to buy the latest one just because there's something new?

    \%/@rd
    --- DB4 - Jun 14 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Tue Jun 22 20:10:04 2021
    On 22 Jun 21 17:46:06, Ward Dossche said the following to Mark Da Silva:

    I drive a 2012-Mercedes ... do I have to buy the latest one just because there's something new?

    What happened to the Caravan?

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Ward Dossche on Tue Jun 22 22:55:12 2021
    Re: Re: Windows 11
    By: Ward Dossche to Nick Andre on Fri Jun 18 2021 08:29 am

    Time to write your own OS ... Linus did it too ...

    Well, Linux wrote a kernel. The GNU folks wrote most of the user mode parts.
    --
    digital man

    Sling Blade quote #17:
    Charles Bushman: A shovel just makes too goddamned much racket.
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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Ward Dossche on Tue Jun 22 22:56:57 2021
    Re: Re: Windows 11
    By: Rob Swindell to Ward Dossche on Tue Jun 22 2021 10:55 pm

    Well, Linux wrote a kernel. The GNU folks wrote most of the user mode parts.

    s/Linux/Linus <blush>
    --
    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #28:
    We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Rob Swindell on Wed Jun 23 23:16:03 2021
    This Is Spinal Tap quote #28:
    We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.

    The man obviously knows his classics ... +1

    --- DB4 - Jun 14 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Wed Jun 23 23:41:56 2021
    What happened to the Caravan?

    You mean the Dodge Grand Caravan?

    Oh dear ... I got rid of it in 2008 ... Bought a Hyundai Trajet at that time. Got rid of it in 2014 after some corrosion showed up with expensive repairs. Got a Citroen C4 after that with a semi-automatic transmissionm that just blew when I was idling in front of a traffic light in 2016. Too expensive repair. Got a Hyundai Santa Fe 4x4 Automatic at that time, beautiful machine but then they changed exhaust laws for cars to some draconion and suddenly my annual road taxes were like 700 and something Euro a year. Then got a good deal on this Mercedes Viano ... it passed mandatory annual vehicle inspection without a single remark.

    But the Caravan. An automatic. I took it in one day to change a muffler and they called from the garage saying there was something wrong with the transmission, the computer said so but I never noticed. They opened it and the transmission oil was black and burned. "What do you want us to do?" ... "Close the transmission againm add the oil, change the mufflers" ... it never functioned well after that. Didn't shift well, could not go faster than 30-40km/h ... Had the garage not opened it, nothing would have happened, they told they really did not have a trained technician for automatics. It was clear from the beginning should I go to court they would be the specialists ... unwinnable. Repair would cost over 5.000 Euro. I briefly considered shipping it to the USA, have the transmission rebuilt there and ship it back. I just decided to sell it to the first fool offering money, which is wht I did.
    Them 13 years later, 2021 ... :-) ... I was talking with my son about cars and speed etc and het said "You know in 2008 I ran that Caravan at 220km/h, in the Ardennes, on the down slopes it accelerated very well. I carried stuff for a scoutcamp and you were not there" ... and suddenly the pieces of the puzzle fit ... 220km/h with a Caravan underpowered with a 2400cc engine?

    My son ran it to smithereens ... of course the transmission burned ...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Jun 14 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Petros Argyrakis@2:410/9 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jun 24 09:04:54 2021
    @MSGID: 2:292/854 15341c5a
    @REPLY: 1:229/550 cb601375
    Unfortunately it does not install correctly on 11 because the
    entire
    NTVDM subsystem is missing from "Windows features".

    That sucks. They are putting BBS' out of business, unless you run a WD>MD> moden one.

    Any need to sheepishly switch to the next release?

    I drive a 2012-Mercedes ... do I have to buy the latest one just because there's something new?

    The usual crap... End of support. In vehicles terms end of producing spare parts :(

    --- D'Bridge 4
    * Origin: VM/SP (2:410/9)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Petros Argyrakis on Thu Jun 24 12:28:08 2021
    I drive a 2012-Mercedes ... do I have to buy the latest one just
    because there's something new?

    The usual crap... End of support. In vehicles terms end of producing
    spare parts :(

    Plenty of spare parts in Poland ...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Jun 14 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Fernando Toledo@4:902/26 to Rick Smith on Thu Jun 24 13:56:57 2021
    El 21/6/21 a las 21:49, Rick Smith escribi├│:
    Greetings Petros!

    Monday June 21 2021 11:24, you wrote to Nick Andre about an urgent matter!:

    Perfect excuse to port to linux...


    +1
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  • From Rick Smith@1:105/10 to Nick Andre on Thu Jun 24 17:21:56 2021
    Greetings Nick!

    Monday June 21 2021 21:37, you wrote to Petros Argyrakis about an urgent matter!:

    On 21 Jun 21 11:24:35, Petros Argyrakis said the following to Nick
    Andre:

    Looking forward to a DBRIDGE 64bit :)

    No pressure you still have a couple of months :)

    I guess I better get cracking...

    Hey Nick while you are porting to linux anyhow, I have a feature request.... Please add Jam support please and thankyou.... :-)

    ----
    Regards,


    Rick Smith (Nitro)

    ... YKYHW: You consider BBSing better than ice cream.
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    * Origin: ----> Abacus BBS! --->>>>bbs.abon.us:2323 (1:105/10)
  • From Mark Da Silva@1:229/550 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jun 24 20:28:11 2021
    Any need to sheepishly switch to the next release?
    I drive a 2012-Mercedes ... do I have to buy the latest one just because there's something new?

    I'm not planning too. They lied. They said 10 was the last release.

    Mark

    ... Read the dox?!!? Yea, rite...
    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/06/20 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: P.O.N.R. BBS (1:229/550)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Mark Da Silva on Thu Jun 24 21:58:40 2021
    On 24 Jun 21 20:28:11, Mark Da Silva said the following to Ward Dossche:

    Any need to sheepishly switch to the next release?
    I drive a 2012-Mercedes ... do I have to buy the latest one just becau there's something new?

    I'm not planning too. They lied. They said 10 was the last release.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Billy-boy is back at Microsoft in some sort of
    role now that he's getting his clock cleaned in the divorce.

    Nick
    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Rick Smith on Thu Jun 24 21:59:41 2021
    On 24 Jun 21 17:21:56, Rick Smith said the following to Nick Andre:

    I guess I better get cracking...

    Hey Nick while you are porting to linux anyhow, I have a feature request... Please add Jam support please and thankyou.... :-)

    JAM support seems realistic. Linux porting will take some serious effort.

    Nick
    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jun 24 22:03:59 2021
    On 23 Jun 21 23:41:56, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    My son ran it to smithereens ... of course the transmission burned ...

    And you murdered him I assume, right?

    I drive a 98 Buick... its actually in good shape for its age and is one of the best cars to work on. Cheap scrapyard parts, easy engine to work on, a nice quiet ride.

    The "mam" destroyed my 96 Mercury Sable when we were living together. Smoke coming out of the radiator was not convincing enough to pull over.

    You may or may not remember the 92 Cadillac sports car I had when we met in Quebec. Oh I miss that car and wish I didn't sell it. Biggest mistake ever.

    Nick
    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Rick Smith on Fri Jun 25 08:32:59 2021
    Rick, Just a personal observation ... nothing nasty ...

    Hey Nick while you are porting to linux anyhow, I have a feature request.... Please add Jam support please and thankyou.... :-)

    I don't understand in the days of terabyte drives why someone would want whatever message-base anymore ... it's just adding another level of failure ...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Jun 14 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Fri Jun 25 08:44:18 2021
    My son ran it to smithereens ... of course the transmission burned
    ...

    And you murdered him I assume, right?

    Well ... you don't know my son ... he's a hulk and if he grabs me, lays me on the ground and sits on me, there's nothing I can do about it ... but he financed the Mercedes ... and the sailboat.

    I drive a 98 Buick...

    I like whatever old cars, the kind you could work on yourself. My 1994 Ford F150 in Montana ... 2016 I drove it through Utah and when passing Salt Lake City the temps were like 105F ... everywhere brand new flashy cars along the side of the road with their hood open.... sensors that went off ... the road is too hot ... it's too warm ... the air is too dry ... I don't like Mormons ... that kinda thing. My F150 just smiled broadly, I turned on the "Montana Air Conditioning" and that was it...

    You may or may not remember the 92 Cadillac sports car I had when we met
    in Quebec. Oh I miss that car and wish I didn't sell it. Biggest
    mistake ever.

    I remember that car, it looked more like a moving van ... but what an evening that was. I have to come to Toronto one day before your dick falls off.

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Jun 14 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Mark Da Silva@1:229/550 to Nick Andre on Sat Jun 26 18:14:01 2021
    I wouldn't be surprised if Billy-boy is back at Microsoft in some sort
    of role now that he's getting his clock cleaned in the divorce.

    I heard she was getting 150m out of it. I don't think he has anything to do with Microsoft anymore, I believe he sold his shares. I'm sure someone will find a way to install NTVDM on Win11.

    Mark
    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/06/20 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: P.O.N.R. BBS (1:229/550)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Mark Da Silva on Sun Jun 27 00:17:29 2021
    On 26 Jun 21 18:14:01, Mark Da Silva said the following to Nick Andre:

    I wouldn't be surprised if Billy-boy is back at Microsoft in some sort of role now that he's getting his clock cleaned in the divorce.

    I heard she was getting 150m out of it. I don't think he has anything to d with Microsoft anymore, I believe he sold his shares. I'm sure someone will find a way to install NTVDM on Win11.

    Things were just "better" with Billy... Ballmer too.

    Nick
    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Mark Da Silva@1:229/550 to Nick Andre on Mon Jun 28 12:35:11 2021
    Things were just "better" with Billy... Ballmer too.


    I know what you mean.

    Mark

    ... Windows isn't a virus: a virus does something.
    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/06/20 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: P.O.N.R. BBS (1:229/550)