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    From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Thu Aug 6 13:48:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 02-Aug-2015 18:03 <=-
    Re: Re: stressful was: misc and parents, etc...

    We're working on her to realize that.. ;) At 85, she can get a bit
    stubborn... but I've been feeding back to her some of her earlier
    advice to us... ;) Plus, I've had the experience of having to have
    therapy to heal from a broken ankle to utilize, so she can't say I
    don't understand... <G>
    It's good that you've got that... Recovery from injuries like that
    is no joke... I hope she tones it down a little bit. :) I know all about the stubbornness that can creep in, though. I've had a couple of adoptive relatives make it just to or over 100 and yeah, they kind of embodied those sorts of qualities. Heh. At least one was a really
    good person, though. ;)

    Stubborn isn't all bad... <G> If she can turn her stubborn to getting
    better, we should be fine... ;)

    Kinda what I was getting at... even the firsthand can be spun, and/or
    edited...
    It's good to talk with other people that understand that. I've got
    some friends that I just can't take news links or anything else of the sort from anymore because they don't have a critical filter or
    something.

    "But I read it on the internet... it HAS to be true..." <G>

    Yeah the body language is what makes that possible, definitely. A
    lot of those crotchety people don't want to be unhappy and complaining, they just want someone to listen to them, and then maybe even some laughing about it. :)

    I have a friend who tends to want to talk things out with me, at least
    in part because somewhere along the line I can get her to laugh... see
    the humor (even if it's just a twist on it, or dark humor) in the
    situation... even if she'd thought there wasn't anything good at all in
    the situation...

    I know it. I'll only drink seltzer water, but it's gonna happen.
    My social life has been way too bereft for way too long now.
    Hopefully a place you can take the kid to... ;)
    Not sure if you were joking or not, but I'm actually planning this particular kind of outing more for myself than a family thing. ;)

    Mostly joking... partly, though, along the lines of: even if you aren't planning to take him along, the sort of place you could would probably
    be a healthier place for you... :)

    I dunno, I actually kind of miss the club atmosphere, though I'm sure that'll disappate within a few short minutes of being there. Unless,
    of course, I'm rapidly approached by female suitors or something.
    We'll see where it goes. heh.

    As long as they are suitable suitors... <G>

    We did make it out to a UU church
    congregation today, though. Two out of three weeks now. Things are slowly getting better both for him and I. Keep your fingers crossed
    for getting to Aikido finally tomorrow.

    And did you get there finally...?

    Who knows... he might actually end up enjoying the stimulation of summer
    school, too.. :) And he'll get over the drama... especially if you
    aren't reacting to it the way he wants... ;)
    I think he did, actually. It's just a shame that I couldn't get him
    into it sooner this time around. Now that I know that all of that is budget adjusted as well I won't make the mistake unless he's got a huge cluster of friends to hang out with by next summer. :)

    And/or you are earning too much by then... and/or are in a better
    neighborhood where the hanging out is safer as well... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Wed Aug 12 12:21:02 2015
    Re: Re: stressful
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Thu Aug 06 2015 13:40:44

    Stubborn isn't all bad... <G> If she can turn her stubborn to getting better, we should be fine... ;)

    That is absolutely true. I've seen some stubborn relatives of mine push through things that I never would've thought possible. Not to mention a few things that I don't even think the doctors would've ever thought possible. Hell, my adoptive father ended up being the textbook case of the longest life lived with Kartagener's Syndrome. He was a stubborn... well fill in the rest of that sentence with whatever you like. I have scars on my head from banging it with his up through my early adulthood. *grin*

    "But I read it on the internet... it HAS to be true..." <G>

    I'm not sure which is worse, the people that say that, or the ones that tout FAUX News as an unbiased outlet to be taken at literal value at all times.

    I have a friend who tends to want to talk things out with me, at least
    in part because somewhere along the line I can get her to laugh... see
    the humor (even if it's just a twist on it, or dark humor) in the situation... even if she'd thought there wasn't anything good at all in the situation...

    Yeah I had some friends like that, still do, actually, but they're all thousands of miles away. Although I have a relationship like that with my roommate quite a bit, but having a bigger circle of friends is still a loss.
    It's always good to hang out with somebody who can at least get you a cynical
    chuckle at whatever chips have got a person down.

    Mostly joking... partly, though, along the lines of: even if you aren't planning to take him along, the sort of place you could would probably
    be a healthier place for you... :)

    Well you're probably right about that. Then again, my chances of meeting potential suitors in a place like that are about 5000% higher than anyplace else I'm going to go, and I'll admit I'm desperate. Not like commence sexual relations with a cigar & Monica Lewinski desperate, but desperate for at least a little bit of validating flirtation and *keep your fingers crossed* maybe even a chance at a bit of a relationship/friendship.

    As long as they are suitable suitors... <G>

    Those are notoriously difficult to come across in the standard meatmarkets. I'm trying to make sure that I do my research on the different places so that I'm not dealing with too much drama. Not that it's avoidable in the club scene.

    And did you get there finally...?

    No. :( I'm a broken record on this, but I've always got an excuse. This time it's that the VA messed up my meds again, and I was agoraphobic enough to not really be able to get out and get that program initiated. At least the money is in place now, though, and the meds are restabilizing in my system. So
    as soon as I'm able to go out in public again without carrying my shell on my back or finding a rock to scuttle under, I should be able to get there soon.
    Ugh I feel pretty bad about that, actually. Yet in a way it's a good thing that I'm not in yet, because you pay whether you go to sessions or not, so if would've been in already, and not comfortable enough there, the agoraphobia then would've meant a lot of wasted money there. I could've at least taken Deschain to his practices, though. *sigh*
    We got to the church to socialize and are making it about 50% of the time now, though, at least.

    And/or you are earning too much by then... and/or are in a better neighborhood where the hanging out is safer as well... :)

    Wait wut? You mean by next summer?

    -D
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Wed Aug 19 21:42:02 2015
    Nancy,

    Stubborn isn't all bad... <G> If she can turn her stubborn to getting NB>better, we should be fine... ;)

    Sort of like a billboard noting a large percentage of men will "die of stubbornness"...meaning they won't make the trip to the doctor to get
    checked.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Daryl Stout on Mon Aug 31 16:24:02 2015
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 19-Aug-2015 21:34 <=-

    Stubborn isn't all bad... <G> If she can turn her stubborn to getting
    better, we should be fine... ;)

    Sort of like a billboard noting a large percentage of men will "die
    of stubbornness"...meaning they won't make the trip to the doctor to
    get checked.

    Happens to women, too... And in either case, if there's family or
    friends to push back and come along with, it can be overcome and turned
    to better... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Jeff Smith@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Mon Aug 31 23:51:02 2015
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 19-Aug-2015 21:34 <=-
    Stubborn isn't all bad... <G> If she can turn her stubborn to getting
    better, we should be fine... ;)
    Sort of like a billboard noting a large percentage of men will "die
    of stubbornness"...meaning they won't make the trip to the doctor to
    get checked.
    Happens to women, too... And in either case, if there's family or
    friends to push back and come along with, it can be overcome and turned
    to better... ;)

    I'm that way too. Never cared for doctors much. While it's hard for me to ask I do enjoy and feel better about going if someone decides to go with. I guess it's nice to feel your not alone sometimes.

    Jeff

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Jeff Smith on Thu Sep 3 18:28:02 2015
    Quoting Jeff Smith to Nancy Backus on 31-Aug-2015 23:33 <=-

    Sort of like a billboard noting a large percentage of men will "die
    of stubbornness"...meaning they won't make the trip to the doctor to
    get checked.
    Happens to women, too... And in either case, if there's family or
    friends to push back and come along with, it can be overcome and turned
    to better... ;)

    I'm that way too. Never cared for doctors much. While it's hard for me
    to ask I do enjoy and feel better about going if someone decides to go with. I guess it's nice to feel your not alone sometimes.

    It certainly helps to have two people to listen to the doctor and to ask questions... and to remember what was said... ;) I started going with
    my friend/neighbor when she'd been complaining to me on the phone after
    every visit to a certain doctor how bad he was and how he wasn't dealing
    with what she thought needed attention... Turned out that he really was
    that bad, so I helped her find a better doctor... But then I went with
    her to all her doctor visits thereafter, even with a new better
    doctor... it made helping her remember what was going on easier for
    me... :) And she appreciated having the company...

    I've long felt that it's important to have a doctor that listens to you,
    and that accepts you as an equal partner in your care... I've been
    fortunate over the last couple of decades to have all my doctors be that
    way... it makes the thought of going to see them a lot less onerous.. :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Jeff Smith@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jan 1 14:28:02 2016
    Hello Nancy.

    03 Sep 15 18:20, you wrote to me:


    Quoting Jeff Smith to Nancy Backus on 31-Aug-2015 23:33 <=-


    I'm that way too. Never cared for doctors much. While it's hard
    for me to ask I do enjoy and feel better about going if someone
    decides to go with. I guess it's nice to feel your not alone
    sometimes.

    It certainly helps to have two people to listen to the doctor and to
    ask questions... and to remember what was said... ;) I started going
    with my friend/neighbor when she'd been complaining to me on the phone after every visit to a certain doctor how bad he was and how he wasn't dealing with what she thought needed attention... Turned out that he really was that bad, so I helped her find a better doctor... But then
    I went with her to all her doctor visits thereafter, even with a new better doctor... it made helping her remember what was going on easier
    for me... :) And she appreciated having the company...

    I go to the doctors as little as possible. Recently though I decided
    to "Bite The Bullet" and drive myself to the hospital. I wasn't in pain
    really. Just didn't feel right. Turns out (They told me) that I had a total blockage of blood feeding the heart muscles. And that I made it to the hospital
    with minutes to spare. That was reaffirmed by how fast they were rushing me down the halls on the gurney. They used their little "Roto Rooter" machine
    to clean my pipes. <g>


    I've long felt that it's important to have a doctor that listens to
    you, and that accepts you as an equal partner in your care... I've
    been fortunate over the last couple of decades to have all my doctors
    be that way... it makes the thought of going to see them a lot less onerous.. :)

    The doctor that I had seemed to be nice. He seemd to be someone that a patient could actually hold a conversation with. Did I mention that I really HATE hospital beds. That was the most uncomfortable thing to even try to sleep on. Which isn't helped by the folks that stop by every couple hours to see if your still alive. <g> Im doing ok but can't handle stairs or hills very well. Guess my plans to be a mountain climber are shelved.

    The sad thing to me was being a dad and having none of my kids showing up or
    at least calling. I did get a glad your ok msg after I got back home from one though.


    ttyl neb

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    about.

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    Jeff

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Jeff Smith on Thu Jan 7 15:57:02 2016
    Quoting Jeff Smith to Nancy Backus on 01-Jan-2016 14:10 <=-

    03 Sep 15 18:20, you wrote to me:
    Quoting Jeff Smith to Nancy Backus on 31-Aug-2015 23:33 <=-

    It's been a while...! ;) Good to see you appear again... :)

    I'm that way too. Never cared for doctors much. While it's hard
    for me to ask I do enjoy and feel better about going if someone
    decides to go with. I guess it's nice to feel your not alone
    sometimes.
    It certainly helps to have two people to listen to the doctor and to
    ask questions... and to remember what was said... ;) I started going
    with my friend/neighbor when she'd been complaining to me on the phone
    after every visit to a certain doctor how bad he was and how he wasn't
    dealing with what she thought needed attention... Turned out that he
    really was that bad, so I helped her find a better doctor... But then
    I went with her to all her doctor visits thereafter, even with a new
    better doctor... it made helping her remember what was going on easier
    for me... :) And she appreciated having the company...

    I go to the doctors as little as possible. Recently though I decided
    to "Bite The Bullet" and drive myself to the hospital. I wasn't in
    pain really. Just didn't feel right. Turns out (They told me) that I
    had a total blockage of blood feeding the heart muscles. And that I
    made it to the hospital with minutes to spare. That was reaffirmed by
    how fast they were rushing me down the halls on the gurney. They used their little "Roto Rooter" machine to clean my pipes. <g>

    Sounds like that got caught just in time....! Pain isn't the only
    symptom that one should be paying attention, just the most likely to be
    an attention-grabber... unless one has been dealing with chronic pain
    all along... ;0

    I've long felt that it's important to have a doctor that listens to
    you, and that accepts you as an equal partner in your care... I've
    been fortunate over the last couple of decades to have all my doctors
    be that way... it makes the thought of going to see them a lot less
    onerous.. :)

    The doctor that I had seemed to be nice. He seemd to be someone
    that a patient could actually hold a conversation with.

    Did you get to follow up with that doctor, or was he just a
    hospitalist...?

    Did I mention that I really HATE hospital beds. That was the most uncomfortable thing to even try to sleep on. Which isn't helped by the folks that stop by every couple hours to see if your still alive. <g>

    Some are worse or better than others... the "hospital" beds that one can buy/rent for home use are generally worse than the ones in the
    hospitals.... And quite true about the parade of nurses/techs/docs and
    then the therapists... And then there's the noise level... things
    beeping, conversations in the hall, the geriatric down the hall....

    Im doing ok but can't handle stairs or hills very well. Guess my
    plans to be a mountain climber are shelved.

    Glad you've come through it ok... maybe with some good cardiac rehab
    you'll be able to at least manage hills... or even a small mountain or
    two... ;) I'm not good on stairs either, though... but my problem is
    mostly my ankles and knees... broke the one ankle (back in 2005), had to
    stay off it for 10 weeks so damaged the other knee... and then the
    opposite ones tried to compensate, to their detriment as well... ;)

    The sad thing to me was being a dad and having none of my kids showing
    up or at least calling. I did get a glad your ok msg after I got back
    home from one though.

    At least one of them cared enough to let you know...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Jeff Smith on Tue Jan 12 01:52:02 2016
    Quoting Jeff Smith to Nancy Backus on 07-Jan-2016 15:57 <=-

    Sounds like that got caught just in time....! Pain isn't the only
    symptom that one should be paying attention, just the most likely to
    be an attention-grabber... unless one has been dealing with chronic
    pain all along... ;0

    To be honest I was at first tempted not to go to the hospital. I
    pretty much have some degree of pain all the time. For me it's a combination of migraines, damaged knees, arthritis in most joints, bad back, among other things.

    I can certainly relate to that...

    But, I have never been one to let my physical situation(s) to
    limit what I want to accomplish. The reality though is that it is
    getting harder to keep that attitude. It's pretty much a matter of
    having a 30's mind stuck in a 60's body. <g>

    Yeah... I don't pay a lot of attention to the stuff that should be
    keeping me from doing things, but I am slowed down some by the
    limitations... And I've learned which things to abide by and which to
    ignore... ;) Pain is rarely one of the things that slows me much...

    I think myself self aware enough that I sensed that it wasn't just a matter of being in pain. Which I wasn't really. My chest didn't hurt
    much at all. It was more a combination of new sensations that suggested something else might be amiss.

    Listening to the body is a good thing... my doctors tend to let me do
    pretty much what I want, since they know that I really do listen to my
    body... and talk back to it where necessary... <G>

    I've long felt that it's important to have a doctor that listens
    to you, and that accepts you as an equal partner in your care...
    I've been fortunate over the last couple of decades to have all
    my doctors be that way... it makes the thought of going to see
    them a lot less onerous.. :)
    The doctor that I had seemed to be nice. He seemd to be someone
    that a patient could actually hold a conversation with.
    Did you get to follow up with that doctor, or was he just a
    hospitalist...?

    A follow up? Yes, but not with the same doctor. The other doctor was a
    tad less comunicative but was ok

    Hopefully you'll be able to get a good working relationship established
    with the ongoing doctor... :)

    Well, I couldn't get any sleep the first 36 hours laying in the bed. Trying to leave the bed was an major issue with the collection of wires and tubes involved. The bed actually had an air matress that everytime
    I would slightly change positions. The compressor would start up to
    change the pressure. With a resultant werrr... WERRR... werr... I
    finally told the nurse to turn the thing off. The bed was more firm but
    at least tollerable.

    They worry about bedsores... ;) And the first day or so, they don't
    want you going anywhere unattended anyway... ;) "Call, Don't Fall"

    Im doing ok but can't handle stairs or hills very well. Guess my
    plans to be a mountain climber are shelved.
    Glad you've come through it ok... maybe with some good cardiac rehab
    you'll be able to at least manage hills... or even a small mountain or
    two... ;) I'm not good on stairs either, though... but my problem is
    mostly my ankles and knees... broke the one ankle (back in 2005), had
    to stay off it for 10 weeks so damaged the other knee... and then the
    opposite ones tried to compensate, to their detriment as well... ;)

    Same thing here with knees. Some years ago I unwisely tried to make my knee bend sideways. I ended up tearing the menicus which doesn't heal
    once dammaged. As a result of babbying the knee for a time the other
    knee suffered.

    Ouch... And I know how that is... the body tends to compensate, often
    not very wisely but often way too well... <G>

    The sad thing to me was being a dad and having none of my kids
    showing up or at least calling. I did get a glad your ok msg
    after I got back home from one though.
    At least one of them cared enough to let you know...

    I have been far from a pefect father. And I know and acknowledge and
    take responsibility for the mistakes that I have made. But I love all
    my kids very much. I have come to accept that for some "Family" means something differant. It hurts to hear from one of your children that
    you love that "I don't need you". That doesn't change or diminish my
    love. It just makes me sad.

    Yeah... It isn't even easy when the kid has a good relationship with
    you, but needs to do his own thing that doesn't include you... and/or
    that keeps him far away...

    ttyl neb

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