• The order of the movies in the series

    From Nicole Massey@1:2320/100 to All on Sun Jul 27 17:02:02 2014
    From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>


    "Jeffrey Kaplan" <gordol@gordol.org> wrote in message news:5ceat9lfn6bsrotsmradhad58qmvco5sac@gordol.org...
    So now that I'm (almost) done ripping my B5 DVDs to my hard drive, I've
    only got the TV movies left, comes the question of where those movies
    go in the timeline. Everyone has their opinions on where some of them
    go, and others are pretty straight-forward.

    For example, "The Gathering" is obviously the series pilot and belongs immediately in front of season one episode one "On The Firing Line".
    "The Lost Tales" occur somewhere between season 5 episodes 21 and 22, "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light".

    "Thirdspace" is somewhere in season four. The Lurker's Guide puts it somewhere between episodes 6 and 14, "Into The Fire" and "Moments Of Transition" which works for me.

    "In The Beginning", however, is an open question for me. On the one
    hand, it tells the story of the Minbari war which places it a decade
    before "The Gathering", but on the other hand, it's told as a
    retrospective by Londo as an old man a few hours before his death which places it, like "The Lost Tales", somewhere between "Objects At Rest"
    and "Sleeping In Light". And because it's told by Londo a couple hours before his death, it overlaps the flash forwards from "War Without End
    pt 2". For my part, because of the construction of the episode, I'm
    placing it between "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light". I'll
    have to re-watch "The Lost Tales" to determine which of those comes
    before the other.

    Likewise, "River Of Souls" is somewhere between "Objects At Rest" and,
    from my placement, "In The Beginning".

    The only lingering question I have is, where does "A Call To Arms"
    belong? It's the B5 cast so do I put it with the B5 set, or do I put
    it with the to-be-ripped Crusade set since it's also the setup/pilot
    for that series?

    I'd definitely put In the Beginning in the later position, as it also gives away far too much if placed at the front.
    JMS said that the Drakh plague is resolved in the second year of Crusade, so
    A Call to Arms could fall anywhere between Objects at Rest and Sleeping in Light. Personally I'd place it before In the Beginning and after River of Souls -- I'd make it and crusade fall before In the Beginning. This makes it work best, IMO, as there's no reference or mention of it in any of the other material.
    Where are you putting Legend of the Rangers?




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  • From Jeffrey Kaplan@1:2320/100 to All on Mon Jul 28 03:26:02 2014
    So now that I'm (almost) done ripping my B5 DVDs to my hard drive, I've
    only got the TV movies left, comes the question of where those movies
    go in the timeline. Everyone has their opinions on where some of them
    go, and others are pretty straight-forward.

    For example, "The Gathering" is obviously the series pilot and belongs immediately in front of season one episode one "On The Firing Line".
    "The Lost Tales" occur somewhere between season 5 episodes 21 and 22,
    "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light".

    "Thirdspace" is somewhere in season four. The Lurker's Guide puts it
    somewhere between episodes 6 and 14, "Into The Fire" and "Moments Of Transition" which works for me.

    "In The Beginning", however, is an open question for me. On the one
    hand, it tells the story of the Minbari war which places it a decade
    before "The Gathering", but on the other hand, it's told as a
    retrospective by Londo as an old man a few hours before his death which
    places it, like "The Lost Tales", somewhere between "Objects At Rest"
    and "Sleeping In Light". And because it's told by Londo a couple hours
    before his death, it overlaps the flash forwards from "War Without End
    pt 2". For my part, because of the construction of the episode, I'm
    placing it between "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light". I'll
    have to re-watch "The Lost Tales" to determine which of those comes
    before the other.

    Likewise, "River Of Souls" is somewhere between "Objects At Rest" and,
    from my placement, "In The Beginning".

    The only lingering question I have is, where does "A Call To Arms"
    belong? It's the B5 cast so do I put it with the B5 set, or do I put
    it with the to-be-ripped Crusade set since it's also the setup/pilot
    for that series?

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
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    Black")


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  • From Nicole Massey@1:2320/100 to All on Mon Jul 28 07:22:02 2014
    news:5ceat9lfn6bsrotsmradhad58qmvco5sac@gordol.org...
    So now that I'm (almost) done ripping my B5 DVDs to my hard drive, I've
    only got the TV movies left, comes the question of where those movies
    go in the timeline. Everyone has their opinions on where some of them
    go, and others are pretty straight-forward.

    For example, "The Gathering" is obviously the series pilot and belongs immediately in front of season one episode one "On The Firing Line".
    "The Lost Tales" occur somewhere between season 5 episodes 21 and 22, "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light".

    "Thirdspace" is somewhere in season four. The Lurker's Guide puts it somewhere between episodes 6 and 14, "Into The Fire" and "Moments Of Transition" which works for me.

    "In The Beginning", however, is an open question for me. On the one
    hand, it tells the story of the Minbari war which places it a decade
    before "The Gathering", but on the other hand, it's told as a
    retrospective by Londo as an old man a few hours before his death which places it, like "The Lost Tales", somewhere between "Objects At Rest"
    and "Sleeping In Light". And because it's told by Londo a couple hours before his death, it overlaps the flash forwards from "War Without End
    pt 2". For my part, because of the construction of the episode, I'm
    placing it between "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light". I'll
    have to re-watch "The Lost Tales" to determine which of those comes
    before the other.

    Likewise, "River Of Souls" is somewhere between "Objects At Rest" and,
    from my placement, "In The Beginning".

    The only lingering question I have is, where does "A Call To Arms"
    belong? It's the B5 cast so do I put it with the B5 set, or do I put
    it with the to-be-ripped Crusade set since it's also the setup/pilot
    for that series?

    I'd definitely put In the Beginning in the later position, as it also gives away far too much if placed at the front.
    JMS said that the Drakh plague is resolved in the second year of Crusade, so
    A Call to Arms could fall anywhere between Objects at Rest and Sleeping in Light. Personally I'd place it before In the Beginning and after River of Souls -- I'd make it and crusade fall before In the Beginning. This makes it work best, IMO, as there's no reference or mention of it in any of the other material.
    Where are you putting Legend of the Rangers?




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  • From Jeffrey Kaplan@1:2320/100 to All on Mon Jul 28 08:37:02 2014
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    Previously on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated, Nicole Massey said:

    The only lingering question I have is, where does "A Call To Arms"
    belong? It's the B5 cast so do I put it with the B5 set, or do I put
    it with the to-be-ripped Crusade set since it's also the setup/pilot
    for that series?

    JMS said that the Drakh plague is resolved in the second year of Crusade, so A Call to Arms could fall anywhere between Objects at Rest and Sleeping in Light. Personally I'd place it before In the Beginning and after River of Souls -- I'd make it and crusade fall before In the Beginning. This makes it work best, IMO, as there's no reference or mention of it in any of the other material.

    I want to keep Crusade itself separate, as it is a separate story than
    the original series and related movies in the box sets. If ACtA goes
    with B5, then I'd personally put it somewhere between Objects At Rest
    and In The Beginning, after River is as good a place as any, I'd have
    to double check for when that happens. ACtA takes place four years
    after Objects At Rest. (Opening scene specified five years after the
    creation of the Alliance, which was between Into The Fire in s4 and No Compromises in s5.)

    Where are you putting Legend of the Rangers?

    Nowhere. I don't own a copy.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

    "Okay. It's morning. You're getting ready to go to work. You pull
    on your pants. Do you fasten and then zip or zip and then fasten?"
    (Mr. Garibaldi, B5 "Babylon Squared")


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  • From Martin Burmester@1:2320/100 to All on Mon Jul 28 09:18:02 2014
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    On 2014-07-27 21:52:36 +0000, Nicole Massey said:

    "In The Beginning", however, is an open question for me. On the one
    hand, it tells the story of the Minbari war which places it a decade
    before "The Gathering", but on the other hand, it's told as a
    retrospective by Londo as an old man a few hours before his death whic=
    h
    places it, like "The Lost Tales", somewhere between "Objects At Rest"
    and "Sleeping In Light". And because it's told by Londo a couple hour=
    s
    before his death, it overlaps the flash forwards from "War Without End
    pt 2". For my part, because of the construction of the episode, I'm
    placing it between "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light". I'll
    have to re-watch "The Lost Tales" to determine which of those comes
    before the other.

    [...]

    I'd definitely put In the Beginning in the later position, as it also=20 gives away far too much if placed at the front.

    Yes, the last relevant episode here is 4x09 "Atonement", it can be=20
    watched after that. I would watch it between Seasons 4 and 5 though,=20
    that was also when it was originally aired.

    Cheers,
    Martin



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