• Re: ARRL Requests Expande

    From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Sun Mar 11 09:53:00 2018
    In a message on 03-10-18 Ed Vance said to Daryl Stout:

    GE Ed,

    Since You have the Amateur Extra License You could have CW QSO's on
    any part of any CW Band, and chat with Operators holding any Class
    of Ham Radio Operator License anywhere in the World.

    According to the information I have, CW (and other digital) signals are
    allowed in any part of the bands assigned to radio amateurs, but phone
    signals are not allowed in the band segments assigned to CW and digital
    modes.

    I've always kept a written Log of my air time.

    Me too!!

    Log when I used CW because one of my hands would already be busy
    sending so it would be hard (for me) to type into the Log if I had
    it on the computer.

    By turning the Waters electronic keyer I found it quite easy to send
    with my left hand, so when I built the "W7BBX Programmable keyer" I
    equipped it with a second key (manipulator) connector for the other hand

    I could Log on the computer easier if I was on Voice, but CW would
    be a challenge.

    We are not required to keep a log anymore (I do it anyway), but if we
    use a log program it does the logging anyway.

    The BandAid graphic is 5 $DB's (219), 5 $B0's (176) and 5 $DB's (219).

    The Alt 219 comes out as and Alt 176 as in the PC8 = ASCII 8 bit
    character table.

    If you want the # character you have to press Alt and 35 on the numeric keyboard.

    Any odd characters you want to use must be typed while pressing the right (here), Alt key while entering the numbers on the numeric keyboard.

    In Windows it doesn't seem to matter which Alt-key you use.


    GN es 73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Sat Mar 17 19:48:00 2018
    03-11-18 09:53 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: ARRL Requests
    xpande
    Howdy! Holger,

    @MSGID: <5AA64FCC.1796.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on 03-10-18 Ed Vance said to Daryl Stout:

    GE Ed,

    Since You have the Amateur Extra License You could have CW QSO's on
    any part of any CW Band, and chat with Operators holding any Class
    of Ham Radio Operator License anywhere in the World.

    According to the information I have, CW (and other digital) signals are allowed in any part of the bands assigned to radio amateurs, but phone signals are not allowed in the band segments assigned to CW and digital modes.

    I only said "part of any CW Band" to Daryl because no other Modes are
    used there and CW usually isn't used in the phone portion of the Bands.

    When I was using HF RTTY I'd send my Call Sign in CW prior to start typing
    on the keyboard. (might had done that on VHF too.)
    But didn't ID in CW when I was on VHF Packet Radio.

    I've always kept a written Log of my air time.

    Me too!!

    Log when I used CW because one of my hands would already be busy
    sending so it would be hard (for me) to type into the Log if I had
    it on the computer.

    By turning the Waters electronic keyer I found it quite easy to send
    with my left hand, so when I built the "W7BBX Programmable keyer" I equipped it with a second key (manipulator) connector for the other
    hand

    I have a BUG but usually I used the J-38 Key.
    Never had a Keyer to use, they are nice though.

    I could Log on the computer easier if I was on Voice, but CW would
    be a challenge.

    We are not required to keep a log anymore (I do it anyway), but if we
    use a log program it does the logging anyway.

    The BandAid graphic is 5 $DB's (219), 5 $B0's (176) and 5 $DB's (219).

    The Alt 219 comes out as . and Alt 176 as . in the PC8 = ASCII 8 bit character table.

    If you want the # character you have to press Alt and 35 on the numeric keyboard.

    Any odd characters you want to use must be typed while pressing the
    right (here), Alt key while entering the numbers on the numeric
    keyboard.

    In Windows it doesn't seem to matter which Alt-key you use.

    The # character wasn't used in the Johnson and Johnson Tagline that showed
    a ASCII Art image of a Bandaid, #'s is what I saw when Daryl Replied to
    my message earlier this Month.

    Were You able to see the Bandaid image in that message I wrote to Daryl?

    A few lines above I only see . (period characters) where You typed Alt 219
    and Alt 176.

    When I type Alt 219 here, I see # a Solid Block Character.
    When I type Alt 176 here, I see # a Dotted Block Character.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Sun Mar 18 09:44:00 2018
    In a message on 03-17-18 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    In a message on 03-10-18 Ed Vance said to Daryl Stout:

    GE Ed,

    According to the information I have, CW (and other digital) signals are allowed in any part of the bands assigned to radio amateurs, but phone signals are not allowed in the band segments assigned to CW and digital modes.

    I only said "part of any CW Band" to Daryl because no other Modes
    are used there and CW usually isn't used in the phone portion of the
    Bands.

    Right, but you are alloowed to use CW over the entire band segment
    reserved to amateur radio.

    When I was using HF RTTY I'd send my Call Sign in CW prior to start
    typing on the keyboard. (might had done that on VHF too.)
    But didn't ID in CW when I was on VHF Packet Radio.

    That has never been a requirement here.

    By turning the Waters electronic keyer I found it quite easy to send
    with my left hand, so when I built the "W7BBX Programmable keyer" I equipped it with a second key (manipulator) connector for the other
    hand

    I have a BUG but usually I used the J-38 Key.

    Of course I have a hand-pump as well but I send faster with a bug.
    I have never tried to use a hand-pump with my left hand but probably one
    can get used to that too.

    BTW, to avoid a mouse arm I have found that the best place for a
    computer mouse is at knee or seat height.

    The BandAid graphic is 5 $DB's (219), 5 $B0's (176) and 5 $DB's (219).

    I don't know what a BandAid graphic is supposed to look like.

    In Windows it doesn't seem to matter which Alt-key you use.

    Well Yes it sometime does. The past week I found out that the code for
    the degree sign didn't stick when the right 'Gr' was pressed but
    pressing the left Gr key did.

    The Alt 219 comes out as . and Alt 176 as . in the PC8 = ASCII 8 bit character table.

    Were You able to see the Bandaid image in that message I wrote to
    Daryl?

    If the character (sign) # is called BandAid I see them.

    A few lines above I only see . (period characters) where You typed
    Alt 219 and Alt 176.

    When I type Alt 219 here, I see a Solid Block Character.
    When I type Alt 176 here, I see a Dotted Block Character.

    So do I. Now I type AltGr 219 = and AltGr 176 = and probably you see
    them as you mentioned above.


    73 es GN de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


    .. If everything seems to be OK, you've overlooked something.
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to ED VANCE on Sun Mar 18 21:59:00 2018
    Ed,


    When I type Alt 219 here, I see # a Solid Block Character.
    When I type Alt 176 here, I see # a Dotted Block Character.

    That doesn't work with Windows Notepad, but it does work with OLX.

    MultiMail kept crashing on me, so I finally gave up on it. I've rarely
    had a problem with OLX. The only thing I don't like is it has a shorter
    tagline size than MultiMail...but, I can live with that.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to HOLGER GRANHOLM on Mon Mar 19 16:54:00 2018
    Holger,


    So do I. Now I type AltGr 219 = and AltGr 176 = and probably you see HG>them as you mentioned above.

    I see them in OLX -- Windows Notepad apparently won't handle the high
    ascii characters.

    Daryl

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Fri Mar 23 23:34:00 2018
    03-18-18 09:44 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: ARRL Requests
    xpande

    @MSGID: <5AAF8A4D.1811.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on 03-17-18 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    In a message on 03-10-18 Ed Vance said to Daryl Stout:

    GE Ed,
    GE Holger,

    According to the information I have, CW (and other digital) signals are allowed in any part of the bands assigned to radio amateurs, but phone signals are not allowed in the band segments assigned to CW and digital modes.

    I only said "part of any CW Band" to Daryl because no other Modes
    are used there and CW usually isn't used in the phone portion of the Bands.

    Right, but you are alloowed to use CW over the entire band segment reserved to amateur radio.

    DIT DAH DIT

    When I was using HF RTTY I'd send my Call Sign in CW prior to start
    typing on the keyboard. (might had done that on VHF too.)
    But didn't ID in CW when I was on VHF Packet Radio.

    That has never been a requirement here.

    Back then (late 1970's) I used that method of ID'ing because I thought I
    had see mention of it in something that I read.

    -snip-

    BTW, to avoid a mouse arm I have found that the best place for a
    computer mouse is at knee or seat height.

    The Mouse is on my desk and my arm sometimes aches when using it a long
    time.

    I'm wondering if anyone makes a Clipboard with a Leg Clamp attached to it?
    Long a friend of mine, Bruce WA4DYL worked CW /M while driving his car
    using a J-38 clipped to his leg.

    The BandAid graphic is 5 $DB's (219), 5 $B0's (176) and 5 $DB's (219).

    I don't know what a BandAid graphic is supposed to look like.

    In Windows it doesn't seem to matter which Alt-key you use.

    Well Yes it sometime does. The past week I found out that the code for
    the degree sign didn't stick when the right 'Gr' was pressed but
    pressing the left Gr key did.

    The Alt 219 comes out as . and Alt 176 as . in the PC8 = ASCII 8 bit character table.

    Were You able to see the Bandaid image in that message I wrote to
    Daryl?

    If the character (sign) # is called BandAid I see them.

    # isn't the character either of the ALT Characters shows here when I
    added the Tagline or tried typing them in a message.

    A few lines above I only see . (period characters) where You typed
    Alt 219 and Alt 176.

    When I type Alt 219 here, I see a Solid Block Character.
    When I type Alt 176 here, I see a Dotted Block Character.

    So do I. Now I type AltGr 219 = . and AltGr 176 = . and probably you
    see them as you mentioned above.

    Nope, just Period characters.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Daryl Stout on Sat Mar 24 09:28:00 2018
    03-18-18 21:59 Daryl Stout wrote to ED VANCE about Re: ARRL Requests Expande

    @MSGID: <5AB02179.1813.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    Ed,
    Howdy! Daryl,


    When I type Alt 219 here, I see # a Solid Block Character.
    When I type Alt 176 here, I see # a Dotted Block Character.

    That doesn't work with Windows Notepad, but it does work with OLX.

    I'm using the DOS version of MultiMail, the Windows version of MM uses
    Notepad.

    I opened Notepad and tried entering a Alt Number and saw nothing show up
    on the screen as You said it would.

    MultiMail kept crashing on me, so I finally gave up on it. I've
    rarely had a problem with OLX. The only thing I don't like is it has a shorter tagline size than MultiMail...but, I can live with that.

    I quit using SLMR when I learned that MM showed ALL of the lines in long
    BBS messages.
    I liked using SLMR but it doesn't display all of every BBS Message.
    A 152 line message is O.K. with SLMR, anything the writer writes after that isn't shown.

    Does OLX end messages as SLMR does?
    Didn't both Programs come from the same Company.

    I also liked MM being able to save Taglines longer than 57 characters.
    I noticed when I used SLMR that Taglines in messages longer than 57 had
    the end of them cut off when I Added them to SLMR's TAGLINE.MR file.

    I have had a problem using MM when Mike Powell sends a message to Me in
    a local echo on His BBS.
    I then use SLMR to read His message to me when I get a .QWK packet
    containing one of those messages.

    Otherwise I'm happy using MM, I occasionally use MM WIN when I want to
    C&P some text into a message that I'm writing.

    I've tried the Sempoint reader for awhile, but went back to using MM
    (and SLMR occasionally) to read messages in .QWK packets.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .



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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Sat Mar 24 09:40:00 2018
    03-18-18 09:44 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: ARRL Requests
    xpande

    Howdy! Holger,

    I was wondering if Amateur Radio Operators or Government Employees in
    Aland, Finland, Sweden or other Countries in Europe give the examination
    to people wanting to obtain an Amateur Radio License?

    What do You know about it. Thanks!

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


    ... A filing cabinet is where things get lost alphabetically.
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to ED VANCE on Sat Mar 24 14:59:00 2018
    Howdy! Daryl,

    Hi, Ed...

    I'm using the DOS version of MultiMail, the Windows version of MM uses EV>Notepad.

    Didn't know there was a DOS version of it. But, I've got OLX set up
    and configured (plus registered; I don't think you can register it any
    more), so, I'm going to stick with it.

    I opened Notepad and tried entering a Alt Number and saw nothing show up EV>on the screen as You said it would.

    Notepad can not handle the high ascii characters -- like holding the
    ALT-key down, while you enter a number (i.e. 1 to 255), then releasing
    the ALT key...then the high ascii character will appear.

    I quit using SLMR when I learned that MM showed ALL of the lines in long EV>BBS messages.

    I think OLX does, but I don't scroll through the long messages.
    That's why when I post things like the Amateur Radio Newsline, I
    intentionally split it up into 4 parts. Plus, the way it's downloaded
    from their website, I have to reformat it for 75 characters per line, or less...so it'll display in the message areas...as well as in the ham
    radio doors on the BBS.

    Does OLX end messages as SLMR does?

    I'm not sure.

    Didn't both Programs come from the same Company.

    Yes, they did. OLX followed SLMR, and both were produced by Mustang
    Software, which produced the Wildcat BBS Software.

    I also liked MM being able to save Taglines longer than 57 characters.
    I noticed when I used SLMR that Taglines in messages longer than 57 had EV>the end of them cut off when I Added them to SLMR's TAGLINE.MR file.

    That's the only limitation to OLX that I don't like...but I've gotten
    so where I can deal with that.

    I have had a problem using MM when Mike Powell sends a message to Me in
    a local echo on His BBS.
    I then use SLMR to read His message to me when I get a .QWK packet EV>containing one of those messages.

    The main way I prefer to read messages on the BBS...email and
    otherwise...is via QWK Mail.

    Otherwise I'm happy using MM, I occasionally use MM WIN when I want to EV>C&P some text into a message that I'm writing.

    I figured how to do that with OLX. It's the View File option under
    V)iew. Then, you go to the ascii file you want, then copy the data.
    Then, you go back to the original reply window, and click on Paste.

    I've tried the Sempoint reader for awhile, but went back to using MM
    (and SLMR occasionally) to read messages in .QWK packets.

    I took a look at that, and wasn't that thrilled with it.

    Daryl

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Daryl Stout on Sun Mar 25 12:30:00 2018
    In a message on 03-24-18 Daryl Stout said to Ed Vance:

    Hi Daryl,

    Didn't know there was a DOS version of it. But, I've got OLX set
    up and configured (plus registered; I don't think you can register
    it any more), so, I'm going to stick with it.

    There's even an eight-bit DOS version of MM in addition to the OS/2,
    Windows and maybe even Mac.

    Notepad can not handle the high ascii characters -- like holding
    the ALT-key down, while you enter a number (i.e. 1 to 255), then
    releasing the ALT key...then the high ascii character will appear.

    It can but the character codes are four digit numerical codes, not three
    and not the same as for DOS and OS/2.

    Does OLX end messages as SLMR does?

    There was in fact a standard in the early days of Fidonet that set the
    length of messages to a certain number of lines.


    CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to HOLGER GRANHOLM on Mon Mar 26 18:20:00 2018
    Didn't know there was a DOS version of it. But, I've got OLX set
    up and configured (plus registered; I don't think you can register
    it any more), so, I'm going to stick with it.
    There's even an eight-bit DOS version of MM in addition to the OS/2,
    Windows and maybe even Mac.

    I use the DOS version to read BW packets. For whatever reason, it runs
    more stable under dosemu than the linux version does natively.

    Mike

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Mike Powell on Tue Mar 27 09:45:00 2018
    In a message on 03-26-18 Mike Powell said to Holger Granholm:

    Good evening Mike,

    There's even an eight-bit DOS version of MM in addition to the OS/2,
    Windows and maybe even Mac.

    I use the DOS version to read BW packets. For whatever reason, it
    runs more stable under dosemu than the linux version does natively.

    I have never used the MMDOS version but it's as close you can get to the
    OS/2 version I do have installed, and have tested occasionally.

    This MR/2 QWK-reader has more features though.


    Have a good evening,

    Holger


    .. No one has to pay me to be good, I'm good for nothing.
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