• Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?

    From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Mon Jul 1 05:02:06 2024
    Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sun Jun 30 2024 07:30 pm

    when was this? wasn't linux magazine done in the 2000s? or is linux magazine back?

    Dude, Linux New Media had not stopped paying me last time I checked :-P

    Linux Journal crashed and burned around 2010 or so. Linux Voice sold itself to Linux New Media to avoid bankrupcy maybe two or three years ago. Linux Magazine still marches quite strong because we are borging all the failed magazines in.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Arelor on Mon Jul 1 08:00:00 2024
    Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops o
    By: Gamgee to Arelor on Sun Jun 30 2024 07:10 pm

    I think the elegant solution is to define a "maintenance" runlevel for when you want to boot up without starting all your user facing services, rather than having your main runlevel start only the basics and then force you to start your services manually.

    Hahaha! Yes, I guess that would be possible. But worth the effort?

    Slackware's init system is so hackable that I think achieving
    this is actually easy. If you have to manually launch your
    services more than 6 times in the lifetime of your OS instance
    then I'd think implementing this is actually worth the 7 minutes
    it takes. Plus it will be fun for you to learn how inittab and
    company work if you don't know already.

    True enough, would be easy to do. It doesn't change the fact though,
    that I basically *never* want the BBS to start automatically at bootup.
    So at least for me, it's not applicable. I don't mind starting it
    manually, and in fact want to do it that way. ;-)

    And fun is the main reason why people keeps hobby home labs,
    isn't it?

    Indeed.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ACCESSION on Mon Jul 1 08:11:00 2024
    apt under Debian and Devuan spits out no such messages. They "just work"
    like they are supposed to.

    That's a good thing. I take it you're using Devuan now? That may be another on
    I might have to take a look at. I'm not really in the market for a GUI distro,
    but it cures boredom at times. :)

    On the box in question, I replaced the broken ubuntu upgrade with debian.
    I am running devuan on two other systems, though. One is older, the other
    is an sbc that does not have the x-server installed (cli only). It seems
    to be as stable as debian, once you get it installed and tweaked.

    Maybe I'm lucky then, but I haven't had a single issue with systemd in all the >years I've used it. Definitely never had a Linux distro randomly reboot on me, >which almost sounds more like hardware failure than anything else.

    Could be, but devuan (without GUI) on the same hardware does not random
    reboot. I suspect that not running systemd *might* make it a little less memory intensive, but I could be 100% wrong.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Mon Jul 1 10:19:53 2024
    Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops o
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Sun Jun 30 2024 05:42 pm

    terminal for general looking around at stuff on the computer. Instead of umonitor I like to have gtkmonitor open, as it looks nicer. While I can

    I was using gtkmonitor for a while, but there was a point where I updated the code and gtkmonitor failed to build. I asked Digital Man about it, and at the time I think he said gtkmonitor wasn't being updated very often, so I started using umonitor instead.

    The cool thing about all this discussion lately is that it doesn't much matter which *distro* you want to use, in the end, the operation on Linux is nearly identical other than cosmetics. :-)

    Yep :)

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Mon Jul 1 22:05:00 2024
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops o
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Sun Jun 30 2024 05:42 pm

    terminal for general looking around at stuff on the computer. Instead of umonitor I like to have gtkmonitor open, as it looks nicer. While I can

    I was using gtkmonitor for a while, but there was a point where I
    updated the code and gtkmonitor failed to build. I asked Digital Man about it, and at the time I think he said gtkmonitor wasn't being
    updated very often, so I started using umonitor instead.

    That has happened here too (gtkmonitor fail to build after an update).
    When it happens I go to the gtkmonitor directory in ../src/sbbs3 and
    build it again there, and it has worked. I should probably switch to
    umonitor as well though, as everything else I'm doing is non-GUI.

    The cool thing about all this discussion lately is that it doesn't much matter which *distro* you want to use, in the end, the operation on Linux is nearly identical other than cosmetics. :-)

    Yep :)

    Linux helps people get along! ;-)



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  • From Amessyroom@VERT/TL-QWK to Nightfox on Mon Jul 1 22:08:16 2024
    Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops o
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Mon Jul 01 2024 10:19 am

    I was using gtkmonitor for a while, but there was a point where I updated the code and gtkmonitor failed to build. I asked Digital Man about it, and at the time I think he said gtkmonitor wasn't being updated very often, so I started using umonitor instead.

    Thanks for mentioning umonitor. I had not read anything about it.

    I got gtkmonitor to work, but I'm running on a VPS so I have tunnel X11 back over SSH which is slow over the internet.

    I keep learning something everyday. Thanks for sharing.

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  • From Prowler@VERT/PROWLER to Nightfox on Mon Jul 29 09:03:03 2024
    Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Jun 07 2024 03:27 pm

    Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
    By: Gamgee to fusion on Fri Jun 07 2024 01:34 pm

    I never got aboard the OS/2 train. Straight from DOS to Win, and eventually Linux.

    I went from DOS to Windows too, but in 1996 I experimented a bit with OS/2 because I was curious about it. I could definitely see how it would have been nice to run a BBS in OS/2 (even a DOS BBS). I had also played a bit with Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers, which allowed telnet access to a virtual serial port.. I tried setting up a copy of RemoteAccess (BBS software for DOS) with those SIO drivers and was impressed that I could successfully telnet into it. I also looked into an OS/2-native BBS package that I thought looked interesting (AdeptXBBS) but never actually used it to run a BBS.

    By that time though, Windows was the main OS I was using, and OS/2 was on its way out, with not much software being made for it.

    Nightfox


    Your post really resonated with me. I really had big hopes for OS/2. While serving in the Navy we used Windows NT Server and Workstation primarily but OS/2 Warp made it's way into our internal network for managing building security (badging, door sensors, alarms). I wanted to run BBS's on OS/2 but ended up using Windows instead. It's so nice now to have so many options all the way from CP/M and DOS all the way to Raspian, Debian, and some really cool distros. I've even got Mint installed on a spare laptop which is pretty decent and gives Ubuntu a run for it's money from a desktop perspective.

    Prowler (Tom)

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  • From Prowler@VERT/PROWLER to Accession on Mon Jul 29 09:06:12 2024
    Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Fri Jun 07 2024 06:54 pm

    On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 23:52:10 -0700, you wrote:

    I may give CentOS a try one of these days as I've always heard great
    things about it, but my servers will most likely always run Arch.

    Considering CentOS is being end-of-lifed soon (as of June 30), there probably isn't much point in trying it now.

    CentOS 8's EOL is soon. CentOS 9 has just begun. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
    I ran CentOS for a long time in a datacenter environment for headless servers. It was really just an alternative to RHEL at the time and I never regretted it from a security and ease-of-use standpoint. It's been a few years now since I've used it, but I'll have to check out 9.

    Prowler (Tom)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Prowler on Mon Jul 29 09:34:30 2024
    Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
    By: Prowler to Nightfox on Mon Jul 29 2024 09:03 am

    Your post really resonated with me. I really had big hopes for OS/2. While serving in the Navy we used Windows NT Server and Workstation primarily but OS/2 Warp made it's way into our internal network for managing building security (badging, door sensors, alarms). I wanted to

    That's cool that there was some use of OS/2 there.

    run BBS's on OS/2 but ended up using Windows instead. It's so nice now to have so many options all the way from CP/M and DOS all the way to Raspian, Debian, and some really cool distros. I've even got Mint installed on a spare laptop which is pretty decent and gives Ubuntu a run for it's money from a desktop perspective.

    Yeah, I like the options we have today. And although I think it would have been nice to see things like OS/2 and Amiga continue on, we can at least run those through emulation and virtual machines.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Prowler on Mon Jul 29 09:48:56 2024
    Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
    By: Prowler to Nightfox on Mon Jul 29 2024 09:03 am

    I never got aboard the OS/2 train. Straight from DOS to Win, and
    eventually Linux.

    I was all-in for quite some time. Worked with OS/2 1.2 and 1.3 in a IBM AS/400 and Lan Manager environment, then 2.0, then Warp 3 working with Netware - and then Windows NT 3.51 came out and it just *worked*.

    Ran the BBS under OS/2 Warp 3 for a couple of years, loved that I could have a mailer, busy BBS and all the utilities running in an OS/2 console in the background of my desktop and not even notice it was there.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 29 13:51:51 2024
    Re: Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Prowler on Mon Jul 29 2024 09:48 am

    I was all-in for quite some time. Worked with OS/2 1.2 and 1.3 in a IBM AS/400 and Lan Manager environment, then 2.0, then Warp 3 working with Netware - and then Windows NT 3.51 came out and it just *worked*.

    Ran the BBS under OS/2 Warp 3 for a couple of years, loved that I could have a mailer, busy BBS and all the utilities running in an OS/2 console in the background of my desktop and not even notice it was there.

    I feel like I may have missed the heyday of OS/2, which seems to have been the early 90s. My first computer, in 1992, was a hand-me-down 286 and I wasn't old enough to get a job yet - and I didn't get my first job until 1996, so in the meantime I don't think I had a PC that was really up to running OS/2. Before I got my first job and bought my own parts for a new PC, the fastest PC I had was a 386DX-40, which I think could have ran OS/2, but I don't think I had enough RAM (I think I had 4MB max at the time) and maybe not enough hard drive space either.

    Around 1994 or 1995, I bought a used copy of OS/2 Warp 3 at a used software store in my area (before they closed, I think due to legal reasons), and it was on floppies, and many of the floppies were bad.. Later (1996 or 1997), I bought a new sealed copy of OS/2 Warp 4 from my local Egghead Software (and I wondered if spending the $120 on it would be worth it), and I had my PC in a dual-boot setup with that and Windows for a little while. I think one of the things I tried that I thought was really cool was using Ray Gwinn's SIO driver for OS/2 to make my DOS-based RemoteAccess telnettable. But I only did that as an experiment; I continued running my DOS BBS in DOS/Desqview (and later Windows).

    Nightfox

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Prowler on Tue Jul 30 06:34:36 2024
    Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating on *NIX, what's your flavor?
    By: Prowler to Accession on Mon Jul 29 2024 09:06 am

    CentOS 8's EOL is soon. CentOS 9
    just begun. :)
    years now since I've used it, but I'
    have to check out 9.

    Previous CentOS were all just copies
    of RHEL with all the "RedHat" images
    taken out. If I remember correctly, the
    new CentOS releases will be based on
    Fedora instead. Does that jive, or am I
    misremembering?

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to phigan on Fri Aug 2 07:11:11 2024
    Re: For you SBBS Sysops operating
    By: phigan to Prowler on Tue Jul 30 2024 06:34 am

    Previous CentOS were all just copies
    of RHEL with all the "RedHat" images
    taken out. If I remember correctly, the
    new CentOS releases will be based on
    Fedora instead. Does that jive, or am I
    misremembering?

    Long story short: CentOS Stream (the new CentOS) is only CentOS in name. The new plan is for CentOS Stream to be for Red Hat Enterprise Linux what Debian Testing is to Debian Stable.


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