Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: MRO to Charles Blackburn on Sat Oct 14 2023 04:55 pm

at the house. the signal is listed as best possible. it's even farther than the cameras in the front.

Also i have old aluminum siding.
so maybe the front wall of my house is super shielded.

so i turned off the baby monitor and nothing helped.
then i'm out there running my wifi scanner app and i see how super saturated the area is due to the mini mansion next door that has a bunch of tenants.

so i'm going to go with having a repeater near my front door.

I didn't always have this issue but it appears that my neighbors are running a lot of wifi devices.
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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: MRO to The Lizard Master on Mon Oct 16 2023 09:10 pm

My house isn't too old (20 years) but it is 84 ft. long. My cablemode is in the garage on one end of the hose where my office is located so all of my stuff is wired but my wife and grandson use wireless. I put 2 TPLink repeaters in the house... a 600 at the far end and a 450 in the middle. My Blink doorbell and cameras are all wireless along with the phones and such. I have almost zero problems with this setup.

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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: The Lizard Master to MRO on Mon Oct 16 2023 08:19:03

Re: Re: old houses and wifi

I have a similar set up and had similar issues. I literally ran a cat 5 upstairs and plugged in a ubiquity AP and never looked back. It's surprising how there seems to be a WIFI shield between upstairs and downstairs.
It's unbelievable really so I feel for you.

yea, You would be surprised how much a piece of AC ducting reflects the signal.

charlie

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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: MRO to all on Tue Oct 17 2023 02:27:56

Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: MRO to Charles Blackburn on Sat Oct 14 2023 04:55 pm

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so i turned off the baby monitor and nothing helped.
then i'm out there running my wifi scanner app and i see how super saturated the area is due to the mini mansion next door that has a bunch of tenants.
so i'm going to go with having a repeater near my front door.
I didn't always have this issue but it appears that my neighbors are running a lot of wifi devices.

yea plus probably runnin whatever devices/routers they have at full power, yet if they dropped the power down a little their wifi would run even better as the APs
aren't "Yelling" at each other.

Charlie

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Charles Blackburn wrote to The Lizard Master <=-

yea, You would be surprised how much a piece of AC ducting reflects the signal.

I have several layers of soundproofing between floors, and it kills of
wifi.

My kids' rooms are downstairs, not far from my router -- but there's a
breaker box between my son's room and the AP - one room gets 30 mbps,
his gets 3...

I'm in the "if possible, run ethernet any way possible between floors
and chuck a cheap router on the other end of the cable" non-mesh
network. :)

I tried mesh, I tried wireiess extenders, I tried powerline - each
worked to some extent - but being able to have a router for my home
office with VLANs and to extend wifi, and backhaul the connection over
gigabit ethernet is a godsend.




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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: fusion to Charles Blackburn on Wed Oct 18 2023 09:35:00

On 17 Oct 2023, Charles Blackburn said the following...

yea plus probably runnin whatever devices/routers they have at full power, yet if they dropped the power down a little their wifi would run even better as the APs
aren't "Yelling" at each other.

we're basically having this exact conversation:

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never surprises me that most routers default to "full beans" ... but he is kinda wrong as well...

just because the wifi router is sending at 100mW and his phone only uses 20mW is not everything.... beleive me... 20mW is good enough to go at least 1/2 a mile with decent antennas.

there are so many reasons as to why a phone/device would be disconnecting from the AP and so forth. the main cause of stuff like this is interference from other routers/devices etc. if you sit and watch the video, he was like... "i forgot to turn on the second router/AP".... this was the reason why his phone kept disconnecting lol.

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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Charles Blackburn on Wed Oct 18 2023 08:29:00

Charles Blackburn wrote to The Lizard Master <=-

yea, You would be surprised how much a piece of AC ducting reflects the signal.

I have several layers of soundproofing between floors, and it kills of
wifi.

yea i know that feeling... i use RF all the time at work and many times i've been to a site that they've been sold something wireless i get there for a survey/install and im like, yea this ain't gunna work.

the usual issue is people having a building made from solid reinforced concrete aka Tilt Wall... or they have a steel roof and expect the low power signal to go through that and also down 3 floors as well.

I tried mesh, I tried wireiess extenders, I tried powerline - each
worked to some extent - but being able to have a router for my home
office with VLANs and to extend wifi, and backhaul the connection over gigabit ethernet is a godsend.

yea VLANs are great for segregation, but the problem is if you have something that's multicast (eg HDHomerun in my case), they can't cross subnets which sucks lol

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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: Charles Blackburn to fusion on Wed Oct 18 2023 04:20 pm

just because the wifi router is sending at 100mW and his phone only uses 20mW is not everything.... beleive me... 20mW is good enough to go at least 1/2 a mile with decent antennas.

are you saying a wifi router will transmit half a mile? NO way.

from the AP and so forth. the main cause of stuff like this is interference from other routers/devices etc. if you sit and watch the video, he was like... "i forgot to turn on the second router/AP".... this was the reason why his phone kept disconnecting lol.

i just skimmed it mostly but he said when he turned on his other router that's when things improved when he went to the back yard. he has too many devices and needed to split it between the two routers. he also messed around with router 1 when experimenting before this issue and increased the transmit power and that didn't help.
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Charles Blackburn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

yea VLANs are great for segregation, but the problem is if you have something that's multicast (eg HDHomerun in my case), they can't cross subnets which sucks lol

I have a homelab that I want to segment out, and I've always wanted to
segment my IoT devices into their own network.

For most home uses, VLANs are probably overkill.



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On 19 Oct 2023, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Charles Blackburn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

yea VLANs are great for segregation, but the problem is if you have something that's multicast (eg HDHomerun in my case), they can't cros subnets which sucks lol

I have a homelab that I want to segment out, and I've always wanted to segment my IoT devices into their own network.

For most home uses, VLANs are probably overkill.

yeah, depending on the devices i might firewall off their internet access.. or put them on a network with no internet at all.

i also have all the devices on my network labeled in iptraf.. just watch the lan station monitor for new stuff and if something can't be accounted for i get suspicious ;) that's how i found out one of my tvs was calling home even when it was off.. it's built in roku was pretty old so i ended up just taking out the wifi password on there.

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fusion wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

i also have all the devices on my network labeled in iptraf.. just
watch the lan station monitor for new stuff and if something can't be accounted for i get suspicious ;) that's how i found out one of my tvs
was calling home even when it was off.. it's built in roku was pretty
old so i ended up just taking out the wifi password on there.

I bought a Synology router, it's got some nice security features -
although with the threat prevention tool, most of the attacks stopped
are attacks against the port they leave open for remote management.

It does have a nightly report that gets emailed that shows new devices
that connected in the last 24 hours - it's how I realized that iphones
and ipads by default randomize the MAC address.



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On 22 Oct 2023, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

It does have a nightly report that gets emailed that shows new devices that connected in the last 24 hours - it's how I realized that iphones
and ipads by default randomize the MAC address.

hey that's pretty slick. i think i'm going to implement that on mine too.

not sure what i think about the iphone MAC addresses.. great for privacy on public networks but that's pretty annoying for the network admin if that person is me lol

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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: poindexter FORTRAN to fusion on Sun Oct 22 2023 09:36 am

I bought a Synology router, it's got some nice security

This article is talking about a Synology diskstation and not a
router, but interesting nonetheless, I think...

https://securityaffairs.com/152645

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Hello pF!

It does have a nightly report that gets emailed that shows
new devices that connected in the last 24 hours - it's how
I realized that iphones and ipads by default randomize the
MAC address.

Does it ever reuse the previous randomized MAC addresses? I
also thought MAC addresses were supposed to be unique to each
device, so eventually they would run out or conflict with
another device elsewhere?


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Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Does it ever reuse the previous randomized MAC addresses? I
also thought MAC addresses were supposed to be unique to each
device, so eventually they would run out or conflict with
another device elsewhere?

MACs are supposed to be unique. The first 3 hex pairs are assigned by manufacturers, so if you pick a non-assigned set, you can pick a random
MAC and be pretty sure you're not going to run into a conflict.

I don't know if it changes the MAC every time you connect, or only if
you forget/connect for the first time.



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Phigan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I bought a Synology router, it's got some nice security

This article is talking about a Synology diskstation and not a
router, but interesting nonetheless, I think...

https://securityaffairs.com/152645

Sounds like it was patched in June 2023, but the article came out in
October?

Synology diskstations are nice. You can run an entire homelab with
email, web services, photo, file, Active directory, DNS and calendar
sharing and run containers all on top of a hardware NAS. If I were
running a small company and not wanting to use cloud services, they'd
rock.

I set up small businesses and startups back in the early 2000s, a
Synology would replace a lot of the work I did with Linux from scratch. Nowadays, I think a company would have to have a really good reason not
to just go with Google Workspace or Microsoft 365.



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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: MRO to Charles Blackburn on Thu Oct 19 2023 03:17 am

Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: Charles Blackburn to fusion on Wed Oct 18 2023 04:20 pm

just because the wifi router is sending at 100mW and his phone only uses 20mW is not everything.... beleive me... 20mW is good enough to go at least 1/2 a mile with decent antennas.

are you saying a wifi router will transmit half a mile? NO way.

from the AP and so forth. the main cause of stuff like this is interference from other routers/devices etc. if you sit and watch the video, he was like... "i forgot to turn on the second router/AP".... this was the reason why his phone kept disconnecting lol.

i just skimmed it mostly but he said when he turned on his other router that's when things improved when he went to the back yard. he has too many devices and needed to split it between the two routers. he also messed around with router 1 when experimenting before this issue and increased the transmit power and that didn't help.

Well i got a cheap 35 dollar extender with good reviews.

It worked well for one camera but for the other one in the same vacinity it only gave it one bar.

i think it's my big metal door that blocks a lot. and damn there are a LOT of 2.4 wifi aps when i walk outside. so very congested here.


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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: fusion to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Oct 22 2023 08:40 pm

not sure what i think about the iphone MAC addresses.. great for privacy on

I have a LAN for myself at home and then a LAN for the rest of the family (including a separate virtual VLAN) and this is one of the reasons.

My smartphone can be configured to use random MAC on public networks and staticMAC at home.

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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Phigan on Mon Oct 23 2023 06:48 am

Nowadays, I think a company would have to have a really good reason not
to just go with Google Workspace or Microsoft 365.

It is illegal to host your customer's data with an American company if you are in Spain.

It is still a common practice, but they can crush you quite hard for this sortof thing and there are some ugly precendents, so I think I would rather
recomend to keep everything on-prem.

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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Oct 25 2023 01:04 pm

Nowadays, I think a company would have to have a really good reason not to
just go with Google Workspace or Microsoft 365.

It is still a common practice, but they can crush you quite hard for this sortof thing and there are some ugly precendents, so I think I would rather recomend to keep everything on-prem.

Is the issue with the company being American, or where the data is located? Hosting services I've looked at typically have data centers in various locations around the world, and they can let you specify where you want the data hosted (they often say it's for speed and where you expect most of your users to be).

Or when you say "on-prem", do you mean within the offices of the company itself?

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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

It is illegal to host your customer's data with an American company if
you are in Spain.

An American company, or an American company with your data hosted in
the US?

If truly the former, that would eliminate most if not all cloud
hosting. If the latter, Amazon and Google have the ability to host your
data exclusively in regions where GDPR is in effect.




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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Oct 25 2023 12:40 pm

Is the issue with the company being American, or where the data is located? > s for speed and where you expect most of your users to be).

It is about where the data is located... mainly.

Any storage of private customer data sent out of the EU needs the aproval of the president of the National Data Protection Agency. For a small business thatis just not gonna happen.

Still, even if stored in a datacenter located on an aproved country, you (and them) are supposed to fill a pile of paperwork in which they agree to take responsibility for so and so archive. Lots of hosting companies will tell you to fuck off if you bring the matter up, it seems.

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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Thu Oct 26 2023 06:28 am

An American company, or an American company with your data hosted in
the US?

The data needs to reside on an aproved location. Who controls the location doesnot matter as long as they fill their paperwork. Most hosting companies I have
checked don not fill the paperwork.

It is soooo much easier in practice to send your customer data to some low costVPS in God-knows-what-country that usually that is what ends up happening
anyway, hahahahaha.

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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

It is soooo much easier in practice to send your customer data to some
low costVPS in God-knows-what-country that usually that is what ends up happening anyway, hahahahaha.

That being said, there are some interesting roll-your-own cloud office
suites out there. I thought there was a niche for pre-funding startups
at one point, but plain ol' G suite is hard to beat and it's what people
are used to.

My Synology NAS comes with an office, chat, calendar, mail app and file
storage -- again, you could set up a small office with needed storage
for a low cost - then back it up using Synology's cloud storage, AWS or
Azure.



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Re: old houses and wifi
By: MRO to All on Fri Oct 13 2023 12:18 am

Anybody like me and live in a real old house with walls as hard as rocks?

I have a router that is in the back of the house. there's clear line of sight to the front of the house, not that many feet to the front porch. I have a big metal door and like i said the walls are hard as a rock.

I can barely get wifi to my front cameras. I even tried swapping out other routers and same deal. Also i have to use 2.5ghz for my dzees cameras.

Anyone have this issue with wifi not getting through? should i spend 40 bucks on a repeater that plugs in the wall?

https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-WiFi-Range-Extender-EX5000/dp/B083R46CV8/

https://www.amazon.com/Wifi-Extender-Booster-Wireless-Repeater/dp/B08RHD97QY

okay folks. i finally have got my issue fixed. i tried different channels, got a wifi extender and it just didnt help. i even did an extension cord for the extender so i was a matter of feet away from my outside cameras.

so today i just did an extension cord and now i'm projecting it through the glass in my front window.

now next time kids slash everyone's tires, i will have crystal clear pictures of it instead of a pit pixilation. that's what happened to 2 streets last monday night. my car needed new tires anyways, but not this way. and they got the good ones.
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now next time kids slash everyone's tires, i will have crystal clear pictures
it instead of a pit pixilation. that's what happened to 2 streets last mond
night. my car needed new tires anyways, but not this way. and they got the od ones.

Glad you got it figured out, and it sounds like just in time, too.


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Re: old houses and wifi
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Feb 29 2024 08:51 am

now next time kids slash everyone's tires, i will have crystal clear pictures
it instead of a pit pixilation. that's what happened to 2 streets last mond
night. my car needed new tires anyways, but not this way. and they got the od ones.

Glad you got it figured out, and it sounds like just in time, too.

not really. i did it after the tires were slashed. also video isn't really useful in most situations. black people in hoodies. how can you pick out who that is unless their parents or friends turn them in.

also this was at 10:40pm and called in by my neighbor who is a police officer. his girlfriend saw it. also other people on the other street saw it. then the kids ran off in different directions. i notice the police car on my street at 1:30am. some response time.

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-=[ Re: old houses and wifi ]=-

Hi MRO!

Re: old houses and wifi
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Feb 29 2024 08:51 am

also this was at 10:40pm and called in by my neighbor who is a police officer. his girlfriend saw it. also other people on the other street
saw it. then the kids ran off in different directions. i notice the police car on my street at 1:30am. some response time.

Dispatching an officer to handle a slashed tire is a low priority IMHO. But at least an officer did go out to take statements but highly doubt the people responsible will ever get caught by our justice system.

Cheers,
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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: Argelian to MRO on Sat Mar 02 2024 01:35 pm

officer. his girlfriend saw it. also other people on the other street saw it. then the kids ran off in different directions. i notice the police car on my street at 1:30am. some response time.

Dispatching an officer to handle a slashed tire is a low priority IMHO. But at least an officer did go out to take statements but highly doubt the people responsible will ever get caught by our justice system.

it wasn't just "a slashed tire". it was several blocks of slashed tires.
i provided a video but they did not post it or any information where anybody would see it.

so no crimestoppers money.
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Hi MRO!

Dispatching an officer to handle a slashed tire is a low priority IMHO. But at least an officer did go out to take statements but highly doubt the people responsible will ever get caught by our justice system.

it wasn't just "a slashed tire". it was several blocks of slashed
tires. i provided a video but they did not post it or any information where anybody would see it.

I am sorry that you have to deal with that. I hope that thing work out for you but I highly doubt the people responsible for this are going to get caught.

Cheers,
Bryan
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Re: Re: old houses and wifi
By: Argelian to MRO on Sun Mar 03 2024 06:53 pm

it wasn't just "a slashed tire". it was several blocks of slashed tires. i provided a video but they did not post it or any information where anybody would see it.

I am sorry that you have to deal with that. I hope that thing work out for you but I highly doubt the people responsible for this are going to get caught.

yeah they won't get caught, unless i catch them.
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