• Re: The Decline of PCs

    From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DUMAS WALKER on Sun Dec 28 08:09:11 2025
    One time I got a desktop computer that was only a couple of years old
    >> which had originally cost about $4500. It was a lot better than my
    >> computer was and looked like the deal of a lifetime.
    >> I thought I was going to luck out because I immediately noticed
    >> that the main fan in the back of the system was not running, and
    >> further checking showed that it had needed an adaptor to hook up
    >> to the motherboard which was never installed. I fixed it and
    >> played with it some but eventually it seemed that the overheating
    >> had damaged the motherboard too and, long story short, I ended
    >> up mainly using it for parts rather than rebuild a machine that
    >> was a lot bigger and faster than I really needed..

    That is too bad. Would have been nice if you could have got away with
    >replacing or plugging the fan back in.

    I did replace the fan right away, but the system would spontaneously
    reboot without notice every once in a while which caused more trouble
    than it was worth, and a new motherboard would not have been cheap
    to give me a computer far more powerful than I really needed.

    I had a machine I used for a few years that I found sitting out on garbage
    >day. Not sure what, if anything, the previous owner thought was wrong with
    >it, other than it had Win XP on it, which was a little old at the time. It
    >seemed to be working fine. I eventually put Linux on it and got a few more
    >years out of it.

    I put one working computer out on garbage day long ago just because it
    was older and not worth much. In the past couple of years I cleaned
    out a lot of my old spare systems and a number of machines that needed
    only one relatively inexpensive part got 'recycled' too. At some point
    you have to stop hoarding everything you outgrow or take in or buy
    a bigger house.. B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun Dec 28 08:09:11 2025
    The golden age for me was my first corporate job. My boss really wasn't
    > technically minded and made bad decisions. Modems that didn't error
    > correct ended up in a box in a storage room. AT-based cash register
    > systems lasted a few months before the 386-based systems came out. Lots
    > of one-off systems like an Olivetti PC and a Compaq Portable II they
    > tried out and ditched.

    When I was asked to clean out the storage room and toss everything in
    > the "dumpster", it felt like Christmas day to me. :)

    One of my best and oldest friends worked for CN/CP Telecom, which
    later became Sprint in Canada and he was their main computer guy.
    He had access to all their equipment that became obsolete or
    unsuitable for some reason. He always came up with good parts and
    used systems to give me when we got together..

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ROB MCCART on Sun Dec 28 09:42:39 2025
    I put one working computer out on garbage day long ago just because it
    was older and not worth much. In the past couple of years I cleaned
    out a lot of my old spare systems and a number of machines that needed
    only one relatively inexpensive part got 'recycled' too. At some point
    you have to stop hoarding everything you outgrow or take in or buy
    a bigger house.. B)

    No joke. I eventually went to parting out and/or e-cycling most of what I
    had around. I few old cases became risers on my basement floor. A mini
    fridge sits on an empty old pentium case, for example. :D

    Mike


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Rob Mccart on Sun Dec 28 10:28:00 2025
    Hello Rob Mccart!

    ** On Saturday 27.12.25 - 09:09, Rob Mccart wrote to OGG:

    I'd take notes in Forkner shorthand in class, and later in my
    residence room rewrite it into full form. That helped in the
    "study" method.

    In Grade 3 ? B)

    Of course not. Forkner was in highshool, pre-computer, post-
    cursive.


    I never learned short hand, never saw a need. My sister
    took it in school, and typing, but not I..

    Short-hand was kinda fun. It was easy to document someone's
    full converstation. I took typing too - that served at
    university as well since home computers were still not common
    then.

    One student in my univ. residence had the habit of transcribing
    his handwritten notes in class to type-written notes. That
    seemed to be a fine way to revisit/study one's notes.


    I further learned that you can copy text all day long
    while being 'vegged out' and you don't retain anything of
    it.. B)

    Yeah.. I can imagine a rebel take that stance. :D

    I wasn't actually trying to not learn anything, I was just
    copying the words without really reading them..

    I knew student that would often fall asleep in class. But he
    seemed to pull things off and got high grades and went on for a
    Masters.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Rob Mccart on Sun Dec 28 10:32:00 2025
    Hello Rob!

    ** On Saturday 27.12.25 - 09:09, Rob Mccart wrote to OGG:

    I basically use "rlone sync" at the top level My Documents
    every once in a while. The process traverses the whole sub-


    That sounds pretty good. I had a similar option with
    Sync.com if I wanted to install the App to automate what
    ends up on it using the one folder and sub-folders.

    Rclone doesn't require any special "app" or web-interface/
    login. It's just a new cmd-line tool.


    I saw there is a free version of RClone.. Is that what you
    are using or a better paid option?

    I am only aware of one, free:

    https://rclone.org/downloads/




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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 28 13:29:57 2025
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Dumas Walker to ROB MCCART on Sun Dec 28 2025 09:42 am

    I put one working computer out on garbage day long ago
    just because it was older and not worth much. In the past couple
    of years I cleaned out a lot of my old spare systems and a number
    of machines that needed only one relatively inexpensive part got 'recycled' too. At some point you have to stop hoarding everything
    you outgrow or take in or buy a bigger house.. B)

    No joke. I eventually went to parting out and/or e-cycling most of
    what I had around. I few old cases became risers on my basement
    floor. A mini fridge sits on an empty old pentium case, for example.
    :D



    when i was a kid my dream was to have a room full of 7 ft tables with computers on them. now that i'm old i got rid of most of my computers. i'm just running one and i have 2 or 2 in a tub.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPTEST to MRO on Mon Dec 29 09:07:50 2025
    No joke. I eventually went to parting out and/or e-cycling most of
    what I had around. I few old cases became risers on my basement
    floor. A mini fridge sits on an empty old pentium case, for example.
    :D

    when i was a kid my dream was to have a room full of 7 ft tables with computers on them. now that i'm old i got rid of most of my computers. i'm just running one and i have 2 or 2 in a tub.

    Yeah, I remember thinking something like that would be a neat idea. Now,
    what I could plan to do with all of those machines, who knows?!? :D


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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Mon Dec 29 08:12:05 2025
    I haven't done anything but Print since I left school, other than for a signature.

    One of the arguments my 7th-grade English teacher said when telling me not
    >to use cursive anymore was that it's actually quicker to write with standard
    >print than with cursive because there are fewer strokes you need to make.

    That would be true of what I think of as True cursive. A lot of extra
    ink in almost every character.. Plain writing would go a lot faster but
    most people who use it get sloppy with speed and it gets harder to read.
    At least with printing most people can make out what you were saying.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Rob Mccart on Tue Dec 30 06:12:03 2025
    Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Rob Mccart to OGG on Thu Dec 25 2025 09:07 am


    Looking briefly at the RClone info online it appears to be a
    tool to Handle other Cloud accounts and your devices rather
    than being a cloud storage system itself, although I'd imagine
    it must offer some degree of that..

    Rclone is just a tool for moving data in and out of any supported storage backend. This can be your FTP server, some mainstream cloud provider, or whatever have you.

    Rclone does not provide storage itself.


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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DUMAS WALKER on Tue Dec 30 08:40:10 2025
    In the past couple of years I cleaned
    >> out a lot of my old spare systems and a number of machines that needed
    >> only one relatively inexpensive part got 'recycled' too. At some point
    >> you have to stop hoarding everything you outgrow or take in or buy
    >> a bigger house.. B)

    No joke. I eventually went to parting out and/or e-cycling most of what I
    >had around. I few old cases became risers on my basement floor. A mini
    >fridge sits on an empty old pentium case, for example. :D

    Ha.. For ages I had a huge Server system with 5 full sized bays but
    the hardware eventually got too old to mess with anymore and for
    a number of years it ended up being an end table beside my main
    computer desk. Sitting on the floor it was as tall as the desk.

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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OGG on Tue Dec 30 08:40:10 2025
    One student in my univ. residence had the habit of transcribing
    >his handwritten notes in class to type-written notes. That
    >seemed to be a fine way to revisit/study one's notes.

    I never seemed to have time to do things once, let along twice.. B)

    I knew student that would often fall asleep in class. But he
    >seemed to pull things off and got high grades and went on for a
    >Masters.

    Ha.. I once had a chemistry teacher yell at me in class that I
    shouldn't disturb the other students because not everyone can
    get 80's on tests without paying attention.. B)

    My disturbing the class was when I yelped when the guy beside
    me took a hot Bunsen Burner and laid it across the back of my
    hand as a 'joke'. I didn't turn him in but I ended up with a
    wicked blister on my hand. He apologized later saying he didn't
    think it had been quite that hot..

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Thu Jan 1 00:52:57 2026
    Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Nightfox to Rob Mccart on Sat Dec 27 2025 11:06:39

    One of the arguments my 7th-grade English teacher said when telling me not to use cursive anymore was that it's actually quicker to write with standard print than with cursive because there are fewer strokes you need to make.

    And I heard the exact opposite. Cursive is faster because all lower-case letters flow from one to another, so you don't have to raise/lower your writing implement as much. It's all relative to the individual.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Rob Mccart on Thu Jan 1 09:39:26 2026
    Rob Mccart wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-

    Ha.. For ages I had a huge Server system with 5 full sized bays but
    the hardware eventually got too old to mess with anymore and for
    a number of years it ended up being an end table beside my main
    computer desk. Sitting on the floor it was as tall as the desk.

    One of the BBS's systems in the 90s was a cast-off 486 server that came
    in a desktop case as tall as a table. Locking front door, some unreal
    number of 5 1/4" drive bays, and casters to move it around. I don't
    think I had more than a single IDE drive and a tape drive in it.

    I should have kept the case...



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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat Jan 3 09:35:57 2026
    Ha.. For ages I had a huge Server system with 5 full sized bays but
    the hardware eventually got too old to mess with anymore and for
    a number of years it ended up being an end table beside my main
    computer desk. Sitting on the floor it was as tall as the desk.

    One of the BBS's systems in the 90s was a cast-off 486 server that came
    >in a desktop case as tall as a table. Locking front door, some unreal
    >number of 5 1/4" drive bays, and casters to move it around. I don't
    >think I had more than a single IDE drive and a tape drive in it.

    Sounds similar to mine, although I didn't have casters on mine or a
    locking front door. Mine was a 386 system originally. I would have
    had two 5.25 floppy drives in it and I think a 32 meg (updated from
    a 10 meg) hard drive. I remember having to custom make my own cables
    so I could get a Mouse to work on it..

    This would have been around 1988 or 89.

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