I don't know if the forum was locked, but I think we need to have more
enhanced enrichment programs for children so they would not be illiterate
where they can not read as adults.

There should be summer school enrichment programs to help improve childrens reading at the fourth, sixth and eigth grades.

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Re: A whole new post
By: Matthew Munson to All on Sat Aug 15 2026 11:52 am

I don't know if the forum was locked, but I think we need to have more enhanced enrichment programs for children so they would not be illiterate where they can not read as adults.

There should be summer school enrichment programs to help improve childrens reading at the fourth, sixth and eigth grades.

In a culture where summer vacation is the norm, I imagine kids would typically not want to attend that.

When I was a kid, I remember summer school feeling like a kind of punishment, or it meant your grades weren't good enough (though I suppose that's exactly the reason you're describing).

Also, in recent years, I've heard the public school system in the US has generally lowered standards in order to be able to say more students are passing and graduating. I've been a bit surprised by that, and if true, I think the trend needs to be reversed. Although going through school can be tough at times as a kid, I think it's good to try to ensure kids get the education they need to be literate, decent at math, etc..

Nightfox

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On 8/15/2026 12:18 PM, NIGHTFOX wrote to Matthew Munson:

Re: A whole new post
By: Matthew Munson to All on Sat Aug 15 2026 11:52 am

Also, in recent years, I've heard the public school system in the US has generally lowered standards

in order to be able to say more students are passing and graduating. I've been a bit surprised by
that, and if true, I think the trend needs to be reversed. Although going through school can be tough
at times as a kid, I think it's good to try to ensure kids get the education they need to be
literate, decent at math, etc..

You ask the children what interests them, and find reading material short of vulgarity to help inspire
them to read.

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On 15 Aug 2026, Nightfox said the following...

Re: A whole new post
By: Matthew Munson to All on Sat Aug 15 2026 11:52 am

I don't know if the forum was locked, but I think we need to have mor enhanced enrichment programs for children so they would not be illite where they can not read as adults.

There should be summer school enrichment programs to help improve childrens reading at the fourth, sixth and eigth grades.

In a culture where summer vacation is the norm, I imagine kids would typically not want to attend that.

When I was a kid, I remember summer school feeling like a kind of punishment, or it meant your grades weren't good enough (though I
suppose that's exactly the reason you're describing).

Also, in recent years, I've heard the public school system in the US has generally lowered standards in order to be able to say more students are passing and graduating. I've been a bit surprised by that, and if true,
I think the trend needs to be reversed. Although going through school
can be tough at times as a kid, I think it's good to try to ensure kids get the education they need to be literate, decent at math, etc..

Nightfox

I've always thought year round school would be the answer to learning.
Just think how hard it was to get into the groove after the summer break.
What about all that maths stuff.. just a distant memory. Perhaps they can shorten the day in lieu of. Maybe it's time for a change and not keep doing it the same way because that's how it's always been done.
Thoughts?

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Nightfox wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

When I was a kid, I remember summer school feeling like a kind of punishment, or it meant your grades weren't good enough (though I
suppose that's exactly the reason you're describing).

My daughter went to summer school last summer. Willingly. She wanted to
catch up because her junior high school curriculum was different than
some of the other schools, and her friends were a class ahead. That was
the first time I'd heard of someone using summer school as a tool.

Also, in recent years, I've heard the public school system in the US
has generally lowered standards in order to be able to say more
students are passing and graduating. I've been a bit surprised by that, and if true, I think the trend needs to be reversed. Although going through school can be tough at times as a kid, I think it's good to try
to ensure kids get the education they need to be literate, decent at
math, etc..

And well versed. The testing regimen has focused on succeeding at test
taking, not critical thinking, arts or music. A society needs well
rounded, skeptical, critically thinking adults to thrive - something
that is contrary to political parties attempting to manipulate the body
politic.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: A whole new post
By: Darkman Almighty to Nightfox on Sun Aug 16 2026 12:49 pm

I've always thought year round school would be the answer to learning. Just think how hard it was to get into the groove after the summer break. What about all that maths stuff.. just a distant memory. Perhaps they can shorten the day in lieu of. Maybe it's time for a change and not keep doing it the same way because that's how it's always been done. Thoughts?

I've wondered about that too. When starting a new school year, I remember they would often review the previous year's math & such, and sometimes I'd think it would be better if they didn't have to spend time doing that review.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: A whole new post
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sun Aug 16 2026 12:23 pm

My daughter went to summer school last summer. Willingly. She wanted to catch up because her junior high school curriculum was different than some of the other schools, and her friends were a class ahead. That was the first time I'd heard of someone using summer school as a tool.

That's good if someone is willing to make it into a positive experience.

I had taken summer classes when in college, willingly, because I wanted to get classes done and out of the way (particularly, the first couple terms of college calculus - those two were offered as compressed classes one summer, 5 days a week for a couple months). The full curriculum wasn't always available during the summer, but I was able to take some of them.

And well versed. The testing regimen has focused on succeeding at test taking, not critical thinking, arts or music. A society needs well rounded, skeptical, critically thinking adults to thrive - something that is contrary to political parties attempting to manipulate the body politic.

Yeah, it's surprising to me that the school system in the US would be made to not prepare students well, and it seems not enough people complain about it.

Nightfox

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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I had taken summer classes when in college, willingly, because I wanted
to get classes done and out of the way (particularly, the first couple terms of college calculus - those two were offered as compressed
classes one summer, 5 days a week for a couple months). The full curriculum wasn't always available during the summer, but I was able to take some of them.

I took classes that I didn't have the time/energy for in the school
year. Partly, because my parents didn't want me slagging around and
wanted me working or in classes. I took economics and accounting classes
in the summer, which ended up getting me my first job (I understood
computers and accounting, got a job in a company in IT where no one in
either department knew both)

I took a sanskrit class, too - we had a great junior college nearby with
a great radio station. Made for nice summers.

And well versed. The testing regimen has focused on succeeding at test taking, not critical thinking, arts or music. A society needs well rounded, skeptical, critically thinking adults to thrive - something that is contrary to political parties attempting to manipulate the body politic.

Yeah, it's surprising to me that the school system in the US would be
made to not prepare students well, and it seems not enough people
complain about it.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: A whole new post
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 17 2026 07:35 am

I took classes that I didn't have the time/energy for in the school year. Partly, because my parents didn't want me slagging around and wanted me working or in classes. I took economics and accounting classes in the summer, which ended up getting me my first job (I understood computers and accounting, got a job in a company in IT where no one in either department knew both)

That could definitely be a benefit.

When I was in college, I initially started working toward a Computer Information Systems degree, and I recall there being a requirement for an accounting class or two. I think I got a B in that, which I suppose isn't too bad, but I felt like accounting was never my strong suit. I sometimes felt a little lost on all the rules for how to categorize income/expenses; also, when checking my work, I'd sometimes find my final totals would be incorrect. I eventually switched to studying Software Engineering, and in my senior year, I had a Business Accounting class as a requirement, and that was the only class in college I got a C in.

I took a sanskrit class, too - we had a great junior college nearby with a great radio station. Made for nice summers.

Sanskrit would be interesting to learn.

Nightfox

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Darkman Almighty wrote to Nightfox <=-

I've always thought year round school would be the answer to learning. Just think how hard it was to get into the groove after the summer
break. What about all that maths stuff.. just a distant memory. Perhaps they can shorten the day in lieu of. Maybe it's time for a change and
not keep doing it the same way because that's how it's always been
done. Thoughts?

You are echoing the arguments that were made for over 40 years.

Our current school calendar is based around the time when the kids weren't available for school because they were needed to run the farms.

The problem is that whole industries have built up around having cheap, college/high school kids avaiable in the summer.

Changing is going to be hard and many groups will fight it really hard.


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