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I say "bull crap". If you believe that, you also believe the tooth fairy and Santa Clause is real. Most Android users don't know any more or care about how
it works than iPhone users.
They buy their devices based on price,
recommendations, and what they perceive what is best, from what they have been
told or read, Most iPhone users are the same.
You delude yourself into
thinking that most of the rest of the world is as interested in technology as the people who post here.
I have worked in a mixed environment for 40 years
and I have found most users of technology just want things that work for them,
as trouble free as possible.
You're Kidding <yk@yahoo.com> wrote
I say "bull crap". If you believe that, you also believe the tooth fairy and >> Santa Clause is real. Most Android users don't know any more or care about how
it works than iPhone users.
Two completely different buyer mindsets.
First off, you have to understand that people who buy the iPhone are like people who buy a fancy car just because they feel it's fancy to others.
They have no other reason for buying the phone except by Apple's ads.
They don't know anything about the phone - they don't care about the phone.
They only care about style.
Nothing wrong with that - but they almost never know anything about it because they bought it because of an advertisement that it was Red or
Yellow. If you don't believe me, look at how Apple advertises it.
Apple makes a big deal of the color of the phone.
As if that matters.
And it does.
To most Apple buyers.
Otherwise Apple wouldn't be able to charge more for a red iPhone.
That is the typical Apple buyer.
People who buy Android are NOT buying anywhere near that way.
For example, they don't care what colors the phone is, while the color is
the most important thing to Apple owners if you look at Apple ads lately.
They buy their devices based on price,
recommendations, and what they perceive what is best, from what they have been
told or read, Most iPhone users are the same.
Nope. Android owners buy on price performance metrics.
Apple owners do not because Apple iPhones can't meet any common performance metric when you compare prices.
For example, take the fact that the iPhone can't run thousands upon
thousands upon thousands upon thousands of apps that Android easily runs.
The battery sucks on all iPhones.
Apple can't even figure out how to integrate the modem, which every other major Android manufacture figured out how to do many years ago already.
Apple is extremely far behind in the performance curve.
And always was.
There's no performance on an iPhone.
Just price.
Completely different kind of buyers.
You delude yourself into
thinking that most of the rest of the world is as interested in technology as
the people who post here.
People who buy the iPhone buy it for the color.
If not the color of the phone case, then the colors of the bubbles.
If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
They even charge more for a red phone.
And they tell you the biggest thing to happen to the iPhone 14 is yellow.
Nobody on Android buys their phone that way.
It's a completely different type of buyer.
I have worked in a mixed environment for 40 years
and I have found most users of technology just want things that work for them,
as trouble free as possible.
Apple is simply copying what every other operating system has always done. Patch a bug as fast as possible.
Instead of taking three to six months to build & test a single-slab iOS.
This is a good thing, whether or not you iMorons even know how it works.
What's no longer amazing, actually, is how little you iKooks know of Apple.
They even charge more for a red phone.
You're Kidding <yk@yahoo.com> wrote
I say "bull crap". If you believe that, you also believe the tooth fairy and >> Santa Clause is real. Most Android users don't know any more or care about how
it works than iPhone users.
If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
They even charge more for a red phone.
And they tell you the biggest thing to happen to the iPhone 14 is yellow.
Nobody on Android buys their phone that way.
It's a completely different type of buyer.
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
You're Kidding <yk@yahoo.com> wrote
I say "bull crap". If you believe that, you also believe the tooth fairy and
Santa Clause is real. Most Android users don't know any more or care about how
it works than iPhone users.
[snip]
If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
They even charge more for a red phone.
Utter rubbish. Just look at the prices for the 13/14 mini/base/pro; they're exactly the same regardless of colour. This isn't new either; my previous iphone was a red one.
And they tell you the biggest thing to happen to the iPhone 14 is yellow.
Nobody on Android buys their phone that way.
It's a completely different type of buyer.
Then why is the Pixel 7a available in four colours and the Galaxy S23 Ultra in *eight*?
Android buyers aren't really colourblind, are they?
If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
They even charge more for a red phone.
Utter rubbish. Just look at the prices for the 13/14 mini/base/pro; they're exactly the same regardless of colour. This isn't new either; my previous iphone was a red one.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
They even charge more for a red phone.
Utter rubbish. Just look at the prices for the 13/14 mini/base/pro; they're >> exactly the same regardless of colour. This isn't new either; my previous
iphone was a red one.
Like I said, you iMorons don't know a single thing about what Apple does.
While the main point is that Apple makes a big deal about the mere meaningless RED or YELLOW color of the iPhone because extremely many Apple customers care more about the color than anything else in the world.
Apple marketing isn't stupid.
Apple wouldn't charge more for a red phone if they didn't know people cared more about the color of the phone than anything else about that same phone.
If you wanted RED when it first came out, you couldn't buy anything but the more expensive models - which cost you extra to get that RED! iPhone.
But even so, the fact that Apple makes such a huge deal about something as completely meaningless as the color of a phone, is what's important here.
You'll have to pay at least $100 more for the red iPhone 7 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-red-iphone-7-price-2017-3
"Apple announced a new red iPhone 7 with a matte metallic texture on Tuesday, and it looks gorgeous.
Apple announced a new red iPhone 7 with a matte metallic texture on
Tuesday, and it looks gorgeous.
My colleague Rob Price thinks it's exactly the kind of break we need from
the monotonous metal body, available in silver/gold/black and glass designs we've recently seen on many smartphones.
Yet, there's a caveat to breaking away from that monotony, and it takes the form of a higher price tag.
The Special Edition (Product) RED iPhone 7 starts at $750, and the red
iPhone 7 Plus at $870, both of which are at least $100 more than the base price of the other iPhone 7 models (with the exception of the jet black color).
That's because the red iPhone 7 is only available in the pricier 128GB and 256GB options. It's not available in the cheaper 32GB option, which costs $650 for the iPhone 7 and $770 for the iPhone 7 Plus.
This isn't the first time Apple limited a certain color option to more expensive iPhone models.
When it released the jet black iPhone 7 last year, arguably the most desirable new color option at the time, it also announced that it was only available in the 128GB and 256GB options. That made the Jet Black iPhone 7 inherently more expensive than the other color options, which is still the case today.
For many, 128GB of storage is overkill, especially when cloud storage and cloud services are becoming more and more prominent. Think Google Photos
for free unlimited photo storage, or Spotify for music streaming. The need
to store photos and music locally on your phone, two of the biggest storage hogs you could have on your phone, is diminishing.
At the same time, limiting the most desirable colors, including the red model, to the more expensive 128GB and 256GB options adds to its Special Edition vibe.
The red iPhone 7 models will be available to buy on Friday, March 24."
But even so, the fact that Apple makes such a huge deal about something as completely meaningless as the color of a phone, is what's important here.
What it means is Apple customers tend to be absolutely clueless morons.
They even charge more for a red phone.
I had to take my maroon colored car to the body shop for some repairs.
All the estimates I got made mention that the colors red and pearl
white cost more. Something about that red pigment that makes it more expensive than other colors.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
They even charge more for a red phone.
I had to take my maroon colored car to the body shop for some repairs.
All the estimates I got made mention that the colors red and pearl
white cost more. Something about that red pigment that makes it more
expensive than other colors.
If you assume that Apple has one of the finest marketing operations in the world (other than the tobacco and soda companies), then you have to look at how Apple advertises the iPhone to people who care ONLY about the color.
Apple introduces iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus (PRODUCT)RED Special Edition https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/04/apple-introduces-iphone-8-and-iphone-8-plus-productred-special-edition/
What it means is Androidiots tend to be absolutely clueless morons.
On 2023-07-13 20:08, Wally J wrote:
You're Kidding <yk@yahoo.com> wrote
I say "bull crap". If you believe that, you also believe the tooth
fairy and Santa Clause is real. Most Android users don't know any
more or care about how it works than iPhone users.
Two completely different buyer mindsets.
First off, you have to understand that people who buy the iPhone are
like people who buy a fancy car just because they feel it's fancy to
others.
I don't know if my car is "fancy" or not...
(2012 BMW 135i)
...but I like it because of what it DOES...
...not because of anything anyone else feels about it.
Wally J wrote:
They even charge more for a red phone.
I had to take my maroon colored car to the body shop for some repairs.
All the estimates I got made mention that the colors red and pearl
white cost more. Something about that red pigment that makes it more expensive than other colors.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
They even charge more for a red phone.
Utter rubbish. Just look at the prices for the 13/14 mini/base/pro; they're >> exactly the same regardless of colour. This isn't new either; my previous
iphone was a red one.
Like I said, you iMorons don't know a single thing about what Apple does.
The Special Edition (Product) RED iPhone 7 starts at $750, and the red
iPhone 7 Plus at $870, both of which are at least $100 more than the base price of the other iPhone 7 models (with the exception of the jet black color).
That's because the red iPhone 7 is only available in the pricier 128GB and 256GB options. It's not available in the cheaper 32GB option, which costs $650 for the iPhone 7 and $770 for the iPhone 7 Plus.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
They even charge more for a red phone.
I had to take my maroon colored car to the body shop for some repairs.
All the estimates I got made mention that the colors red and pearl
white cost more. Something about that red pigment that makes it more
expensive than other colors.
If you assume that Apple has one of the finest marketing operations in the world (other than the tobacco and soda companies), then you have to look at how Apple advertises the iPhone to people who care ONLY about the color.
But of course you obsess over the colour
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
But of course you obsess over the colour
Don't get mad at me for...
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
But of course you obsess over the colour
Don't get mad at me
"Apple is an ungodly well managed company."
- Charlie Munger
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
"Apple is an ungodly well managed company."
- Charlie Munger
And THAT is what drives Arlen the Androidiot crazy. If Apple was selling Android phones, Arlen the Androidiot would LOVE Apple.
But Alas, Apple does not sell Windows PCs and Apple does not sell Android phones. Thus, being a good little troll kiddie, Arlen the Androidiot has been having a 5 year long public tantrum.
On 16/07/2023 at 17:48, Bob Campbell wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
"Apple is an ungodly well managed company."
- Charlie Munger
And THAT is what drives Arlen the Androidiot crazy. If Apple was
selling
Android phones, Arlen the Androidiot would LOVE Apple.
But Alas, Apple does not sell Windows PCs and Apple does not sell Android
phones. Thus, being a good little troll kiddie, Arlen the Androidiot has >> been having a 5 year long public tantrum.
Jeez, you guys really obsess over this Arlen character. As if he's the Anti-Christ or something. Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book
Nineteen Eighty-Four.
really obsess over this Arlen character. As if he's the Anti-Christ or something. Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book Nineteen Eighty-Four.
On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
really obsess over this Arlen character. As if he's the Anti-Christ
or something. Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to control >> the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book Nineteen
Eighty-Four.
You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to be
weak.
On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
really obsess over this Arlen character. As if he's the Anti-Christ
or something. Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to
control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book
Nineteen Eighty-Four.
You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to be
weak.
Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
really obsess over this Arlen character. As if he's the Anti-Christ >>>> or something. Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to
control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book
Nineteen Eighty-Four.
You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to
be weak.
Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls. However
as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.
On 2023-07-16 13:43, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
really obsess over this Arlen character. As if he's the Anti-Christ >>>>> or something. Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to
control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book
Nineteen Eighty-Four.
You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to
be weak.
Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls. However
as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.
But that's a flaw you can NEVER eliminate.
There will always be new people who come in and provide the oxygen.
According to some people in this group, a troll is someone you disagree
with. That would mean they are trolls for disagreeing as well.
On 2023-07-16 13:43, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
really obsess over this Arlen character. As if he's the
Anti-Christ or something. Or the sort of mythical hate figure >>>>> needed to control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in
the book Nineteen Eighty-Four.
You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to
be weak.
Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls. However
as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.
But that's a flaw you can NEVER eliminate.
There will always be new people who come in and provide the oxygen.
Apple clearly obsesses over the iPhone color.
What does that tell you about what Apple thinks of its iPhone consumer?
On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 23:02:43 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
According to some people in this group, a troll is someone you disagree
with. That would mean they are trolls for disagreeing as well.
What's funny is they are disagreeing with what Apple marketing does.
They call every Apple marketing campaign, a troll.
Instead of accepting that it's Apple who "obsesses" over the color of the iPhone, they call everyone who dares to post a URL to the Apple marketing campaigns where Apple obsesses over the iPhone color, as a troll.
Simply for pointing out what Apple does.
Apple clearly obsesses over the iPhone color.
What does that tell you about what Apple thinks of its iPhone consumer?
On 2023-07-16 17:44, Alan wrote:
On 2023-07-16 13:43, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
really obsess over this Arlen character. As if he's the
Anti-Christ or something. Or the sort of mythical hate figure >>>>>> needed to control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in
the book Nineteen Eighty-Four.
You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to >>>>> be weak.
Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls.
However as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going. >>>
But that's a flaw you can NEVER eliminate.
There will always be new people who come in and provide the oxygen.
Doesn't mean the "regulars" need to.
On 16/07/2023 at 17:48, Bob Campbell wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
"Apple is an ungodly well managed company." - Charlie Munger
And THAT is what drives Arlen the Androidiot crazy. If Apple was
selling Android phones, Arlen the Androidiot would LOVE Apple.
But Alas, Apple does not sell Windows PCs and Apple does not sell
Android phones. Thus, being a good little troll kiddie, Arlen the
Androidiot has been having a 5 year long public tantrum.
Jeez, you guys really obsess over this Arlen character.
As if he's the Anti-Christ or something.
Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book Nineteen Eighty-Four.
On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to
be weak.
Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls. However
as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.
According to some people in this group, a troll is someone you
disagree with.
Apple clearly obsesses over the iPhone color.
You're obsessing over the colour because you have no clue what marketing
and advertising is for.
That campaign probably helped sell 25 -
50,000,000 iPhones - of which very few were yellow. Also helped sell
many other Apple products from Watches to Earpods to iPads and even Macs.
They probably spent about $25M on that campaign and it probably boosted income (with eye watering margins) about $20B. Spit balling here, mind.
Huge ROI for that campaign.
But - you don't understand marketing/advertising, so don't worry too much.
What does that tell you about what Apple thinks of its iPhone consumer?
That we keep offering our clients the best there is and they will come
back again and again and again because they prefer the best product that
has the best integrated eco-system of them all.
Rumour amongst top value investors is that Apple is an ungodly well
managed company.
On 2023-07-16, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to
be weak.
Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls. However
as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.
You're ignoring the fact that Arlen regularly creates new nyms to answer himself. Ignoring him does nothing.
On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 20:25:43 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
Apple clearly obsesses over the iPhone color.
You're obsessing over the colour because you have no clue what
marketing and advertising is for.
You do not seem to be stupid, so I will attempt to discuss how Apple
markets the iPhone at the next level - to see if you can keep up. OK?
I agree that the dumb "Hello Yellow" campaign was likely simply a way for Apple to say something (anything!) in the mid-year cycle for the iPhone 14.
But what does _that_ say about what Apple thinks of its own customers?
Apple had nothing else to say about the iPhone 14 so in reality, if Apple didn't want to "obsess" over the color, they should have said nothing.
That campaign probably helped sell 25 - 50,000,000 iPhones - of which
very few were yellow. Also helped sell many other Apple products from
Watches to Earpods to iPads and even Macs.
I agree with you that part of advertising is to simply make it appear that Apple has something different to offer its iPhone customers that's unique.
For example, Apple marketing obsessed over the RED! color quite a few
times, mainly as a sleazy way for Apple to promote a specific charity.
Again, I ask you to delve into the question of why Apple stooped that low. Consider, for example, Apple could have donated directly to the charity.
But they didn't (as far as we know from their advertisements).
They used the obsession over the RED! iPhone as their donation messaging.
What does that say about what Apple thinks of its own customer base?
They probably spent about $25M on that campaign and it probably
boosted income (with eye watering margins) about $20B. Spit balling
here, mind.
Huge ROI for that campaign.
But - you don't understand marketing/advertising, so don't worry too
much.
Actually I do understand marketing rather well, whether you know it or not. Apple marketing is one of the finest on this planet at understanding you.
You, for example, read an Apple white paper as if it's gospel. Admit it.
You can't fathom, for example, zero-click holes abound on Apple devices.
You think to yourself, "If Apple's sandbox is so great", and "If Apple's Secure Enclave is so great" and "If Apple's encryption is so great"...
Then how can it be there are so many zero-click exploits on Apple devices.
I would wager I understand you better than you understand yourself.
You believed white papers (which said all these exploits are impossible).
What does that tell you about what Apple thinks of its iPhone consumer?
That we keep offering our clients the best there is and they will come
back again and again and again because they prefer the best product
that has the best integrated eco-system of them all.
You think it's they best product because you _believe_ the white papers.
And yet, you _ignore_ that iOS is the most exploited smartphone OS around.
You don't know that you don't understand a single thing about iOS.
For example, you vehemently will deny that the walled garden even exists.
Am I right?
What does that mean to a person who is intelligent & who understands Apple? It means you're incredibly ignorant about everything that Apple does today.
What you don't realize is you only believe what Apple told you to believe. And Apple never once said that the walled garden exists.
Everyone else _knows_ the walled garden is very real. Except you.
Since Apple didn't tell you the walled garden exists, you say it doesn't.
Even though almost all the flaws in Apple products are due to those walls.
Am I right about you?
Rumour amongst top value investors is that Apple is an ungodly well
managed company.
Again we agree that Apple plays ignorant people like a fiddle, with the classic joke of 'laughing all the way to the bank befitting' of them.
If Apple actually thought their customer wasn't incredibly stupid, then the Apple marketing campaigns wouldn't be obsessing over what they obsess over.
I wonder if you can step up to the level which I upped the conversation to? We will know if you can play at the next league level by your response.
I wonder if you can step up to the level which I upped the conversation to?
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