In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high housing
prices are an indication of high housing demand because it's an
attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high housing
prices are an indication of high housing demand because it's an
attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its major
cities?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
-hh
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high housing
prices are an indication of high housing demand because it's an
attractive place to live. Well, turns out, even if true, there is a downside. More accurately, it's a lot easier to get building permits in Indiana and we have a more abundant supply of land to build on.
Based on 2025 homeless population there are 395 Vancouver City homeless
per 100,000 (2,715 / 687,933 X 100,000) based on local data cited below.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/metro-vancouver- homeless-count-1.7597673
https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/province/british-columbia
My home state of Indiana? Housing is much more affordable and the rate
is 91 per 100,000. Having been to Vancouver just last year the
difference is visually apparent. My 3000+ sq ft house in one of the most expensive housing Indiana cities is priced roughly the same as a small 500-600 sq ft condo in Vancouver City.
(wrong link was pasted here)
Turns out housing affordability is a major indicator of homeless rates. Check out the West Coast rates in the link above, even worse.
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high housing
prices are an indication of high housing demand because it's an
attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its major
cities?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
On 10/28/2025 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:What about winter temperatures?
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high housing
prices are an indication of high housing demand because it's an
attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its major
cities?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
-hh
OK, let's dig a little deeper. Indianapolis is about the same population
as Vancouver City and has a higher homeless rate than the rest of the
state. As of January 2025 that rate was about 204/100k. About half the Vancouver rate.
The basic conclusion is that homeless rates are positively correlated
with housing affordability stands.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-lowest- rates-of-homelessness/
On 2025-10-28 08:30, Tom Elam wrote:
On 10/28/2025 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:What about winter temperatures?
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high
housing prices are an indication of high housing demand because it's
an attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its major
cities?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
-hh
OK, let's dig a little deeper. Indianapolis is about the same
population as Vancouver City and has a higher homeless rate than the
rest of the state. As of January 2025 that rate was about 204/100k.
About half the Vancouver rate.
The basic conclusion is that homeless rates are positively correlated
with housing affordability stands.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-
lowest- rates-of-homelessness/
What are the average low temperatures in Indianapolis in winter versus
those in Vancouver, asshole?
Which city makes it more possible to be homeless without freezing to death?
On 2025-10-28 08:30, Tom Elam wrote:
On 10/28/2025 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:What about winter temperatures?
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high
housing prices are an indication of high housing demand because it's
an attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its major
cities?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
-hh
OK, let's dig a little deeper. Indianapolis is about the same
population as Vancouver City and has a higher homeless rate than the
rest of the state. As of January 2025 that rate was about 204/100k.
About half the Vancouver rate.
The basic conclusion is that homeless rates are positively correlated
with housing affordability stands.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-
lowest- rates-of-homelessness/
What are the average low temperatures in Indianapolis in winter versus
those in Vancouver, asshole?
Which city makes it more possible to be homeless without freezing to death?
On 10/28/25 13:17, Alan wrote:
On 2025-10-28 08:30, Tom Elam wrote:
On 10/28/2025 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:What about winter temperatures?
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high
housing prices are an indication of high housing demand because
it's an attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its major
cities?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
-hh
OK, let's dig a little deeper. Indianapolis is about the same
population as Vancouver City and has a higher homeless rate than the
rest of the state. As of January 2025 that rate was about 204/100k.
About half the Vancouver rate.
The basic conclusion is that homeless rates are positively correlated
with housing affordability stands.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-
lowest- rates-of-homelessness/
What are the average low temperatures in Indianapolis in winter versus
those in Vancouver, asshole?
Which city makes it more possible to be homeless without freezing to
death?
Precisely. Tommy's being deliberately disingenuous with his claimed causality, but even if it is correct, it is secondary to 'livability' factors such as climate. For example, the USA's highest homelessness
rate, with reported rates of 805 per 100K ... is Hawaii.
Because its a lot easier to survive outside when the annual average low temperature is ~60F & Honolulu's all-time record low is 52F. Contrast
that with Indianapolis: +20F average low and -27F record low.
-hh
On 10/28/25 13:17, Alan wrote:
On 2025-10-28 08:30, Tom Elam wrote:
On 10/28/2025 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:What about winter temperatures?
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high
housing prices are an indication of high housing demand because
it's an attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its major
cities?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
-hh
OK, let's dig a little deeper. Indianapolis is about the same
population as Vancouver City and has a higher homeless rate than the
rest of the state. As of January 2025 that rate was about 204/100k.
About half the Vancouver rate.
The basic conclusion is that homeless rates are positively correlated
with housing affordability stands.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-
lowest- rates-of-homelessness/
What are the average low temperatures in Indianapolis in winter versus
those in Vancouver, asshole?
Which city makes it more possible to be homeless without freezing to
death?
Precisely. Tommy's being deliberately disingenuous with his claimed causality, but even if it is correct, it is secondary to 'livability' factors such as climate. For example, the USA's highest homelessness
rate, with reported rates of 805 per 100K ... is Hawaii.
Because its a lot easier to survive outside when the annual average low temperature is ~60F & Honolulu's all-time record low is 52F. Contrast
that with Indianapolis: +20F average low and -27F record low.
-hh
On 2025-10-28 03:06, -hh wrote:
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high housing
prices are an indication of high housing demand because it's an
attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its major
cities?
Does the asshole care to tell us what the overnight low temperatures are during winters in Indiana vs those in Vancouver?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
On 10/28/2025 4:28 PM, -hh wrote:
On 10/28/25 13:17, Alan wrote:
On 2025-10-28 08:30, Tom Elam wrote:
On 10/28/2025 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:What about winter temperatures?
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high
housing prices are an indication of high housing demand because
it's an attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its
major cities?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
-hh
OK, let's dig a little deeper. Indianapolis is about the same
population as Vancouver City and has a higher homeless rate than the
rest of the state. As of January 2025 that rate was about 204/100k.
About half the Vancouver rate.
The basic conclusion is that homeless rates are positively
correlated with housing affordability stands.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-
lowest- rates-of-homelessness/
What are the average low temperatures in Indianapolis in winter
versus those in Vancouver, asshole?
Which city makes it more possible to be homeless without freezing to
death?
Precisely. Tommy's being deliberately disingenuous with his claimed
causality, but even if it is correct, it is secondary to 'livability'
factors such as climate. For example, the USA's highest homelessness
rate, with reported rates of 805 per 100K ... is Hawaii.
Because its a lot easier to survive outside when the annual average
low temperature is ~60F & Honolulu's all-time record low is 52F.
Contrast that with Indianapolis: +20F average low and -27F record low.
-hh
Once in 120 year record low? Really?
On 10/28/2025 1:17 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-10-28 08:30, Tom Elam wrote:
On 10/28/2025 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:What about winter temperatures?
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high
housing prices are an indication of high housing demand because
it's an attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its major
cities?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
-hh
OK, let's dig a little deeper. Indianapolis is about the same
population as Vancouver City and has a higher homeless rate than the
rest of the state. As of January 2025 that rate was about 204/100k.
About half the Vancouver rate.
The basic conclusion is that homeless rates are positively correlated
with housing affordability stands.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-
lowest- rates-of-homelessness/
What are the average low temperatures in Indianapolis in winter versus
those in Vancouver, asshole?
Which city makes it more possible to be homeless without freezing to
death?
So I checked. Vancouver January average range is 46/36. Indianapolis is 37/21. I would not want to be sleeping on the streets in either city.
On 10/28/2025 4:28 PM, -hh wrote:
On 10/28/25 13:17, Alan wrote:
On 2025-10-28 08:30, Tom Elam wrote:
On 10/28/2025 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high
housing prices are an indication of high housing demand because
it's an attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its
major cities?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
-hh
OK, let's dig a little deeper. Indianapolis is about the same
population as Vancouver City and has a higher homeless rate than the
rest of the state. As of January 2025 that rate was about 204/100k.
About half the Vancouver rate.
The basic conclusion is that homeless rates are positively
correlated with housing affordability stands.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-
lowest- rates-of-homelessness/
What about winter temperatures?
What are the average low temperatures in Indianapolis in winter
versus those in Vancouver, asshole?
Which city makes it more possible to be homeless without freezing to
death?
Precisely. Tommy's being deliberately disingenuous with his claimed
causality, but even if it is correct, it is secondary to 'livability'
factors such as climate. For example, the USA's highest homelessness
rate, with reported rates of 805 per 100K ... is Hawaii.
Because its a lot easier to survive outside when the annual average
low temperature is ~60F & Honolulu's all-time record low is 52F.
Contrast that with Indianapolis: +20F average low and -27F record low.
-hh
The story is affordability.
Hawaii is one of the most expensive housing
markets in the U.S., as is California.
On 10/28/2025 1:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-10-28 03:06, -hh wrote:
On 10/27/25 08:08, Tom Elam wrote:
In the past both Alan Baker has stated that Vancouver BC high
housing prices are an indication of high housing demand because it's
an attractive place to live...
My home state of Indiana?
Gosh golly: comparing a city to State.
Care to tell us what State has a higher homeless rate than its major
cities?
Does the asshole care to tell us what the overnight low temperatures
are during winters in Indiana vs those in Vancouver?
Why this post? Just to piss off Alan.
What it really does is show that you're a butthurt troll luzer.
But there IS substance here too.
U.S. source
https://nlihc.org/sites/default/files/Causes-and-Solutions-to- Homelessness.pdf
"The primary solution to homelessness...
Canadian source:
"A critical shortage of housing that is affordable, safe and stable
directly contributes to homelessness...
Blaming climate is at best a deflection, at worst an outright lie.
Nowhere in either source is weather mentioned.
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