Good starting point <https://www.zdnet.com/article/7-most-windows-like-linux-distros-if-youre-ready-to-ditch-microsoft/>
for those looking for the best alternative when switching from
Windows. Did you know Bazzite isn’t just for gaming? Note also the immutability option, to give you a level of security that Microsoft
and Apple have yet to discover.
Also related: “5 ways to run Windows apps on macOS - and 2 are free” <https://www.zdnet.com/article/5-ways-to-run-windows-apps-on-macos-and-2-are-free/>.
Unfortunately, as seems all too typical with the Mac, the “free”
options are not so straightforward to set up.
Also related: “5 ways to run Windows apps on macOS - and 2 are free” <https://www.zdnet.com/article/5-ways-to-run-windows-apps-on-macos-and-2-are-free/>.
Unfortunately, as seems all too typical with the Mac, the “free”
options are not so straightforward to set up.
Of course, this all assumes you have enough RAM (and drive space) in the
Mac to run Windows in a VM. 16GB RAM is the realistic minimum. If you
don't have at least 64GB free drive space then forget it.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 04:34:53 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Of course, this all assumes you have enough RAM (and drive space) in
the Mac to run Windows in a VM. 16GB RAM is the realistic minimum. If
you don't have at least 64GB free drive space then forget it.
If you don’t have enough space, it’s easy enough to upgrade, isn’t it ... ?
... oh, wait.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 05:39:50 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <109r2v6$1en64$1@dont-email.me>:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 04:34:53 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Of course, this all assumes you have enough RAM (and drive space) in
the Mac to run Windows in a VM. 16GB RAM is the realistic minimum. If
you don't have at least 64GB free drive space then forget it.
If you don’t have enough space, it’s easy enough to upgrade, isn’t it >> ... ?
... oh, wait.
With Thunderbolt, the drive additions can be external with
no penalty.
On Sep 9, 2025 at 7:13:58 PM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Also related: “5 ways to run Windows apps on macOS - and 2 are free”
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/5-ways-to-run-windows-apps-on-macos-and-2-are-free/>.
Unfortunately, as seems all too typical with the Mac, the “free”
options are not so straightforward to set up.
Unfortunately, as seems all too typical with Linux users, Macs are deemed "hard to use".
Add VMware Fusion to the list of free VM solutions for Macs. You install VMWare, create the VM (you decide the size of the drive, how much RAM to assign, how many CPUs, how to network or just accept the defaults), point it to the Windows Arm ISO you downloaded from MS, and install Windows 11. All very normal for VM solutions. So much for "not so straightforward to set up".
BTW a Windows 11 license can be bought for $15 - $20. Good for 2 installs.
64GB drive, 4 CPUs and 6GB RAM are plenty to install Windows. They can all be changed later. That's the beauty of VMs. "Upgrading the hardware" is just a matter of changing the settings.
Of course, this all assumes you have enough RAM (and drive space) in the Mac to run Windows in a VM. 16GB RAM is the realistic minimum. If you don't have at least 64GB free drive space then forget it. I have 32GB RAM on both my M2 MacBook Pro and my M4 Mac Mini (and 2TB SSDs), so I have no problems with any of this. I bought both knowing I was going to run VMs.
On 9/10/2025 2:43 AM, vallor wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 05:39:50 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <109r2v6$1en64$1@dont-email.me>:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 04:34:53 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Of course, this all assumes you have enough RAM (and drive space) in
the Mac to run Windows in a VM. 16GB RAM is the realistic minimum. If
you don't have at least 64GB free drive space then forget it.
If you don’t have enough space, it’s easy enough to upgrade, isn’t it >>> ... ?
... oh, wait.
With Thunderbolt, the drive additions can be external with no penalty.
Yup, creating the illusion in MacTards' minds that their systems are
simply better, from the ground up. Heh. Windows 11 and Linux are both
light years beyond macOS.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 03:52:45 -0400, "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in <h7awQ.1489247$xyt3.295508@fx15.iad>:
On 9/10/2025 2:43 AM, vallor wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 05:39:50 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <109r2v6$1en64$1@dont-email.me>:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 04:34:53 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Of course, this all assumes you have enough RAM (and drive space) in >>>>> the Mac to run Windows in a VM. 16GB RAM is the realistic minimum. If >>>>> you don't have at least 64GB free drive space then forget it.
If you don’t have enough space, it’s easy enough to upgrade, isn’t it
... ?
... oh, wait.
With Thunderbolt, the drive additions can be external with no penalty.
Yup, creating the illusion in MacTards' minds that their systems are
simply better, from the ground up. Heh. Windows 11 and Linux are both
light years beyond macOS.
Some people like chocolate ice cream, some people like strawberry.
Personally, I prefer Linux. YMMV.
On 9/10/2025 5:23 AM, vallor wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 03:52:45 -0400, "Joel W. Crump"
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote in <h7awQ.1489247$xyt3.295508@fx15.iad>:
On 9/10/2025 2:43 AM, vallor wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 05:39:50 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <109r2v6$1en64$1@dont-email.me>:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 04:34:53 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Of course, this all assumes you have enough RAM (and drive space)
in the Mac to run Windows in a VM. 16GB RAM is the realistic
minimum. If you don't have at least 64GB free drive space then
forget it.
If you don’t have enough space, it’s easy enough to upgrade, isn’t >>>>> it ... ?
... oh, wait.
With Thunderbolt, the drive additions can be external with no
penalty.
Yup, creating the illusion in MacTards' minds that their systems are
simply better, from the ground up. Heh. Windows 11 and Linux are
both light years beyond macOS.
Some people like chocolate ice cream, some people like strawberry.
Personally, I prefer Linux. YMMV.
I prefer an ice cream that's competitively priced. Nothing Apple sells
is.
On 9/10/2025 5:23 AM, vallor wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 03:52:45 -0400, "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote in <h7awQ.1489247$xyt3.295508@fx15.iad>:
On 9/10/2025 2:43 AM, vallor wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 05:39:50 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <109r2v6$1en64$1@dont-email.me>:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 04:34:53 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Of course, this all assumes you have enough RAM (and drive space) in >>>>>> the Mac to run Windows in a VM. 16GB RAM is the realistic minimum. If >>>>>> you don't have at least 64GB free drive space then forget it.
If you don’t have enough space, it’s easy enough to upgrade, isn’t it
... ?
... oh, wait.
With Thunderbolt, the drive additions can be external with no penalty.
Yup, creating the illusion in MacTards' minds that their systems are
simply better, from the ground up. Heh. Windows 11 and Linux are both >>> light years beyond macOS.
Some people like chocolate ice cream, some people like strawberry.
Personally, I prefer Linux. YMMV.
I prefer an ice cream that's competitively priced. Nothing Apple sells is.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 05:31:45 -0400, "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in <5AbwQ.58675$rQG1.26673@fx37.iad>:
On 9/10/2025 5:23 AM, vallor wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 03:52:45 -0400, "Joel W. Crump"
<joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote in <h7awQ.1489247$xyt3.295508@fx15.iad>:
On 9/10/2025 2:43 AM, vallor wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 05:39:50 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <109r2v6$1en64$1@dont-email.me>:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 04:34:53 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
Of course, this all assumes you have enough RAM (and drive space) >>>>>>> in the Mac to run Windows in a VM. 16GB RAM is the realistic
minimum. If you don't have at least 64GB free drive space then
forget it.
If you don’t have enough space, it’s easy enough to upgrade, isn’t >>>>>> it ... ?
... oh, wait.
With Thunderbolt, the drive additions can be external with no
penalty.
Yup, creating the illusion in MacTards' minds that their systems are
simply better, from the ground up. Heh. Windows 11 and Linux are
both light years beyond macOS.
Some people like chocolate ice cream, some people like strawberry.
Personally, I prefer Linux. YMMV.
I prefer an ice cream that's competitively priced. Nothing Apple sells
is.
Apple's workstation-class machines are competitively priced with
Linux workstations.
https://system76.com/workstations/
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/precision-7875-tower-workstation/spd/precision-t7875-workstation/xctopt7875mtusai_vp
https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/
Still, I'd rather have a Linux workstation.
I prefer an ice cream (computer system) that's competitively priced. Nothing Apple
sells is.
Big talk from a PC user who's spent more trying to cobble together his
cheap system than it would have just cost him to buy a more capable Mac mini...
& that was before dropping even more coin for their fried motherboard.
I can switch to Linux on this device, if I want, but
Microsoft has pretty sold me on what might have been Windows 12.
I prefer an ice cream that's competitively priced.
You prefer a cock up your ass, most men don't.
https://postimg.cc/7ChyqNL6
Windows 11 24H2 is magic, my
disaster with my computer opened my eyes to this, it's pretty great,
elite even. I can switch to Linux on this device, if I want, but
Microsoft has pretty sold me on what might have been Windows 12.
On 9/10/2025 10:13 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
You prefer a cock up your ass, most men don't.
https://postimg.cc/7ChyqNL6
If I were worried about what "most men" do and don't, I'd be lamer than
your dumb ass.
Windows 11 24H2 is magic, my disaster with my computer opened my eyesAfter all these years of you whining like a little bitch
to this, it's pretty great, elite even. I can switch to Linux on this
device, if I want, but Microsoft has pretty sold me on what might have
been Windows 12.
about "Winblows", you pillow biting fruitcake hypocrite?
You have shit for brains.
Big talk from a PC user who's spent more trying to cobble together his
cheap system than it would have just cost him to buy a more capable Mac mini...
On 9/10/2025 10:17 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Windows 11 24H2 is magic, my disaster with my computer opened my eyes to this, it's pretty great, elite even.After all these years of you whining like a little bitch
I can switch to Linux on this device, if I want, but Microsoft has pretty sold me on what might have been Windows 12.
about "Winblows", you pillow biting fruitcake hypocrite?
You have shit for brains.
Nope, 24H2 uses AI in a new way, it was an unknown unknown to me, until I fell into using this mini PC. I'm a convert.
On Wed, 9/10/2025 10:42 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 9/10/2025 10:17 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Windows 11 24H2 is magic, my disaster with my computer opened my eyes to this, it's pretty great, elite even.After all these years of you whining like a little bitch
I can switch to Linux on this device, if I want, but Microsoft has pretty sold me on what might have been Windows 12.
about "Winblows", you pillow biting fruitcake hypocrite?
You have shit for brains.
Nope, 24H2 uses AI in a new way, it was an unknown unknown to me, until I fell into using this mini PC. I'm a convert.
I think I saw this happen on Star Trek.
They put Joel in the Transporter, and after a malfunction
two Joel are produced. A Linux Joel. And a Windows Joel.
I think I saw this happen on Star Trek.
They put Joel in the Transporter, and after a malfunction two Joel are produced. A Linux Joel. And a Windows Joel.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 07:55:50 -0400, -hh wrote:
Big talk from a PC user who's spent more trying to cobble together his
cheap system than it would have just cost him to buy a more capable Mac
mini...
At least you *can* actually “cobble together” a Linux-running PC system from your choice of parts, instead of having to pick from the fixed set of choices that Apple offers.
And you can change your mind and upgrade bits afterwards, too, so it
becomes “more capable” over time, than it was when you first got it.
On 9/10/25 15:36, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
And you can change your mind and upgrade bits afterwards, too, so it
becomes “more capable” over time, than it was when you first got it.
Sure, but this expansion argument is old and by today's standards very
much overblown: most people buy laptops over desktops because their capabilities are good enough, plus these users never have any particular
need or desire to upgrade like we did with desktops 30 years ago.
As we've discussed before it is because PC technology improved to be
"good enough" for mainstream ...
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