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On 8/25/2025 12:57 AM, Marion wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 20:00:52 -0700, Tom Elam wrote :

LOL. An under $50 Android has tiny storage capacity, cannot run the
latest OS, has an outdated processor, and cannot multitask worth a damn.
I know. I bought one like that as a burner phone on a New Zealand
vacation. Piece of shit if there ever was one.

BUT, if it is all you can afford then I glad you have that option.

Heh heh heh... again, your argument is absurd since you think paying $1000 for a phone in and of itself makes it more functional than not paying that.

A diamond-encrusted RED!!!!! Rolex doesn't tell time better than a Timex. Most of the cost is in bullshit marketing meaningless differentiation.

And Apple profits.

Compare my three 2021 Samsung Galaxy A32-5G Androids (SM-A326U) which cost
me (& anyone else on T-Mo postpaid) about $28.20 to any iPhones ever made.
<https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg>

I don't know what you paid, but let's assume about $900 + tax.

Then you paid about $1000 for your iPhone (including tax), right?
I paid about $30 for my Android phone(s) which is well documented.

What matters. Is FUNCTIONALITY.

How is it a $30 Android has more functionality than any iPhone ever made?

You need 3 Android phones plus an Apple 12 mini?

Your $30 price is not the price at introduction. Apple and oranges.

What does the Android do that my iPhone won't. One thing the Android
will not do is run ForeFlight.

The document you posted appears to show a 128mb iPhone 12 mini purchased
for $50 + tax and shipping from T-Mobile. How was that possible? Appears
to be subsidized by your plan's cost. Please post the T-Mobile monthly
bill that goes with this purchase.
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:34:29 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :

How is it a $30 Android has more functionality than any iPhone ever made?

You need 3 Android phones plus an Apple 12 mini?

Hi Tom Elam,

I welcome any adult conversation about Apple products, so thanks for asking
why I need three Androids but only one iPhone, and why the Androids are
still working but the iPHone has long been traded in back to T-Mobile.

The simple answer is I have four family members on my plan, one of whom
loves Apple products, but who found out the iPhone 12 mini battery died.

The problem with all iPhones is that the hardware is garbage, so it's not unusual for an iPhone 12 mini to have died in half the lifetime of Android.

Your $30 price is not the price at introduction. Apple and oranges.

The cost was $30 even though the Apple trolls insist aliens manipulated my
bill such that money secretly is being paid by me unbeknownst to the world.

There were no strings attached to that cost, but even if I bought the
Android outright in April of 2021, it would have cost under $300.

Bear in mind every Android phone has more functionality than any iPhone.
Once you understand that fact, only then can I begin to teach you why.

What does the Android do that my iPhone won't.

The iPhone is a barely functional toy compared to a real phone, Tom.

What Android Can Do That iOS Typically Won't

System-wide firewall & VPN routing: Android allows apps like NetGuard or AFWall+ to control network access per app-no root required in some cases.

App sideloading without an account: You can install APKs directly from any source, no Google account needed.

GPS spoofing: Android supports mock location apps natively (with developer mode), while iOS requires jailbreaking.

TOR-level anonymity: Orbot and similar apps offer full TOR routing on
Android. iOS has Onion Browser, but it's sandboxed and limited.

Custom file naming for photos: Android file managers and camera apps let
you define naming conventions. iOS sticks to its internal format.

Signal debugging: Apps like Network Signal Guru or CellMapper give granular cellular and Wi-Fi diagnostics-iOS doesn't expose this data.

Default app control: Android lets you set third-party apps as defaults for dialer, SMS, browser, camera, etc. iOS only allows limited changes (e.g., browser and email).

Cross-device app restoration: Android backs up and restores apps across
devices without tying them to a single account the way Apple does.

The fact iOS can't do what every other OS easily does proves it's a toy.

However I already know what your response will be which is that on your
iPhone you don't want to do anything, so of course, a toy is fine for you.

One thing the Android will not do is run ForeFlight.

Thanks Tom for trying to find something (anything) that iOS can do that
Android can't do, but the fact remains nobody can find anything other than
the use of port 445 that an iPhone can do that Android doesn't already do.

The discussion is about functionality, not about brand names, where we
could probably list a billion brand names that work on either platform that won't work on the other - so bringing up brand names is nearly meaningless.

What matters is functionality.

1. Garmin Pilot
- Full-featured: flight planning, charts, weather, synthetic vision
- Works with Garmin avionics
- Requires subscription

2. FltPlan Go
- Free and solid for VFR/IFR
- Geo-referenced plates, GPS nav, weather
- ADS-B support

3. Avare
- Totally free and open-source
- Sectionals, airport info, offline GPS
- Lightweight and community-supported

Other options:
- WingX Pro (free for CFIs)
- SkyDemon (popular in Europe)

The document you posted appears to show a 128mb iPhone 12 mini purchased
for $50 + tax and shipping from T-Mobile. How was that possible? Appears
to be subsidized by your plan's cost. Please post the T-Mobile monthly
bill that goes with this purchase.

Thanks for trying to find where the aliens are adding hidden costs to my
bill, Tom, as all the Apple trolls are desperate to find the alien action.

The T-Mobile monthly bill never changes, Tom. It's for service only.
It was $100/month for 4 lines in April of 2021 & it's the same today.
The only thing that changed was taxes of $16 went to $20 in that time.

The only cost was the sales tax and the initial trade in.
a. For the iPhone, it was another iPhone as the trade in.
b. For the Androids, it was any phone (so I gave them old flip phones).

With the trade-in, the cost went to about 1/2 for the iPhone 12 mini.
For the Androids, the flip phones were worthless to me, so we assume $0.

All this was covered in gory details in this very newsgroup at the time.

Bear in mind that T-Mobile doesn't have "contracts" so you can drop service
at any time and they don't change your service based on the free phone.

All they do is credit you the remaining value of the free phone, so if you
do drop the service, then you own them the remaining credited value.

Once a month, for 24 months, they reduce the lien on the free phone by
1/24th. It's really simple but the Apple trolls are desperate to claim that aliens must be manipulating my bill because they can't understand it.

But it's really simple.
There are no aliens manipulating my bill.

Every single person on T-Mobile USA postpaid was offered the same deal.
You'll note that badgolferman took up T-Mobile on that deal just as I did.

You'll note that even he had to trade in his iPhone so out of the five
phones, three Androids are still working fine & both iPhones died sooner.

That known fact, while anecdotal, is yet another nail in the coffin of the
myth that Apple puts in good hardware since iPhone hardware is garbage.

Particularly the crappy garbage batteries that Apple puts in the iPhone.
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On 9/1/2025 12:55 PM, Marion wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:34:29 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :

How is it a $30 Android has more functionality than any iPhone ever made? >>

You need 3 Android phones plus an Apple 12 mini?

Hi Tom Elam,

I welcome any adult conversation about Apple products, so thanks for asking why I need three Androids but only one iPhone, and why the Androids are
still working but the iPHone has long been traded in back to T-Mobile.

The simple answer is I have four family members on my plan, one of whom
loves Apple products, but who found out the iPhone 12 mini battery died.

The problem with all iPhones is that the hardware is garbage, so it's not unusual for an iPhone 12 mini to have died in half the lifetime of Android.

Your $30 price is not the price at introduction. Apple and oranges.

The cost was $30 even though the Apple trolls insist aliens manipulated my bill such that money secretly is being paid by me unbeknownst to the world.

There were no strings attached to that cost, but even if I bought the
Android outright in April of 2021, it would have cost under $300.

Bear in mind every Android phone has more functionality than any iPhone.
Once you understand that fact, only then can I begin to teach you why.

What does the Android do that my iPhone won't.

The iPhone is a barely functional toy compared to a real phone, Tom.

What Android Can Do That iOS Typically Won't

System-wide firewall & VPN routing: Android allows apps like NetGuard or AFWall+ to control network access per app-no root required in some cases.

App sideloading without an account: You can install APKs directly from any source, no Google account needed.

GPS spoofing: Android supports mock location apps natively (with developer mode), while iOS requires jailbreaking.

TOR-level anonymity: Orbot and similar apps offer full TOR routing on Android. iOS has Onion Browser, but it's sandboxed and limited.

Custom file naming for photos: Android file managers and camera apps let
you define naming conventions. iOS sticks to its internal format.

Signal debugging: Apps like Network Signal Guru or CellMapper give granular cellular and Wi-Fi diagnostics-iOS doesn't expose this data.

Default app control: Android lets you set third-party apps as defaults for dialer, SMS, browser, camera, etc. iOS only allows limited changes (e.g., browser and email).

Cross-device app restoration: Android backs up and restores apps across devices without tying them to a single account the way Apple does.

The fact iOS can't do what every other OS easily does proves it's a toy.

However I already know what your response will be which is that on your iPhone you don't want to do anything, so of course, a toy is fine for you.

One thing the Android will not do is run ForeFlight.

Thanks Tom for trying to find something (anything) that iOS can do that Android can't do, but the fact remains nobody can find anything other than the use of port 445 that an iPhone can do that Android doesn't already do.

The discussion is about functionality, not about brand names, where we
could probably list a billion brand names that work on either platform that won't work on the other - so bringing up brand names is nearly meaningless.

What matters is functionality.

1. Garmin Pilot
- Full-featured: flight planning, charts, weather, synthetic vision
- Works with Garmin avionics
- Requires subscription

2. FltPlan Go
- Free and solid for VFR/IFR
- Geo-referenced plates, GPS nav, weather
- ADS-B support

3. Avare
- Totally free and open-source
- Sectionals, airport info, offline GPS
- Lightweight and community-supported

Other options:
- WingX Pro (free for CFIs)
- SkyDemon (popular in Europe)

The document you posted appears to show a 128mb iPhone 12 mini purchased
for $50 + tax and shipping from T-Mobile. How was that possible? Appears
to be subsidized by your plan's cost. Please post the T-Mobile monthly
bill that goes with this purchase.

Thanks for trying to find where the aliens are adding hidden costs to my bill, Tom, as all the Apple trolls are desperate to find the alien action.

The T-Mobile monthly bill never changes, Tom. It's for service only.
It was $100/month for 4 lines in April of 2021 & it's the same today.
The only thing that changed was taxes of $16 went to $20 in that time.

The only cost was the sales tax and the initial trade in.
a. For the iPhone, it was another iPhone as the trade in.
b. For the Androids, it was any phone (so I gave them old flip phones).

With the trade-in, the cost went to about 1/2 for the iPhone 12 mini.
For the Androids, the flip phones were worthless to me, so we assume $0.

All this was covered in gory details in this very newsgroup at the time.

Bear in mind that T-Mobile doesn't have "contracts" so you can drop service at any time and they don't change your service based on the free phone.

All they do is credit you the remaining value of the free phone, so if you
do drop the service, then you own them the remaining credited value.

Once a month, for 24 months, they reduce the lien on the free phone by 1/24th. It's really simple but the Apple trolls are desperate to claim that aliens must be manipulating my bill because they can't understand it.

But it's really simple.
There are no aliens manipulating my bill.

Every single person on T-Mobile USA postpaid was offered the same deal. You'll note that badgolferman took up T-Mobile on that deal just as I did.

You'll note that even he had to trade in his iPhone so out of the five phones, three Androids are still working fine & both iPhones died sooner.

That known fact, while anecdotal, is yet another nail in the coffin of the myth that Apple puts in good hardware since iPhone hardware is garbage.

Particularly the crappy garbage batteries that Apple puts in the iPhone.

First, none of the Android tweaks are very interesting to non-geeks.
Second, having extensive experience with both platforms the the only
garbage here is your argument that Android is clearly superior,
especially battery life. You see, I have used both platforms. In
everyday use I saw no meaningful difference.

I use my Apple devices exactly as I did Android. Functionally, no
difference. So if the iPhone is a toy, so were my Motorola and Samsung
phones. Truth is, both platforms do about the same job for the vast
majority of us if you spend the money for the same level of camera,
storage and plan features. I know, been there, done that. The big
difference is Android phones are available with less capability than the cheapest iPhone.

On the T-Mobile site the $100/4phone plan is Essentials. Unlimited talk
and text and 50 GB Premium data. No overseas coverage, no hotspot, no unlimited high speed data. The Experience More 4-phone plan is $170 a
month, and does include features I use. Especially unlimited data. I go
easily through over 100 gb a month.

If you get more than Essentials service level for $100 a month I'd like
to see that bill. Redact as required.

As for my Verizon bill it's about $190 a month all-in. The equivalent Experience More T-Mobile plan for 2 phones is $140 + taxes and fees.
But, to that I would need to add the 2 iPads and 5g Home Internet
included in my Verizon bill. Not worth the switch. BTW, my plan is no
longer offered. If Verizon ever kills it I'll probably be looking to
switch. I'll post my bill if you need proof.

As for ForeFlight, I get that free. The closest competitor is Garmin
Pilot, which I used for several years. It's a great product. I would
need the Garmin Premium upgrade for equivalent features, $210 a year.
Not a deal breaker on cost. However, ForeFlight is the standard in the organization that pays for my subscription.
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 17:11:19 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :

First, none of the Android tweaks are very interesting to non-geeks.
Second, having extensive experience with both platforms the the only
garbage here is your argument that Android is clearly superior,
especially battery life. You see, I have used both platforms. In
everyday use I saw no meaningful difference.

Hi Tom ELam,

Thanks for carrying on the conversation like an adult would do so.
I do very much appreciate that you're discussing things normally.

When you respond to me, you have to realize I talk mostly about strategy.

You have to keep in mind that I have a phenomenal understanding of the
Apple strategy which is where you're getting confused, I think.

My point is that Apple has NEVER put a decent battery in any iPhone.
That's the key point.

It doesn't matter that there are plenty of Androids with crappy batteries.
What matters, strategically, is all Apple iPhones have a crappy battery.

I use my Apple devices exactly as I did Android. Functionally, no difference. So if the iPhone is a toy, so were my Motorola and Samsung phones. Truth is, both platforms do about the same job for the vast
majority of us if you spend the money for the same level of camera,
storage and plan features. I know, been there, done that. The big
difference is Android phones are available with less capability than the cheapest iPhone.

I never disagree with anyone who makes a logically defensible statement.
I'm here only to discuss the truth. So what you say is patently correct.

If you don't "do stuff" on a phone, then both platforms are the same.

What stuff?

Well, let's take system-wide firewalls. If you don't do them, then iOS and Android are the same. Let's take GPS spoofing. If you don't do it, then
both platforms are the same. What about graphical debugging of Wi-Fi and cellular signal. If you don't ever do that, then both platforms are fine.

Hence, I agree with your statement that if you don't "do stuff", then an
iPhone is equally as proficient at not doing stuff as the Android will be.

On the T-Mobile site the $100/4phone plan is Essentials. Unlimited talk
and text and 50 GB Premium data. No overseas coverage, no hotspot, no unlimited high speed data.

My plan covers Europe. I know this because I bumped up my plan a decade ago from $60/month for four lines to $100/month to get the European goodies.

I've discussed this ad infinitum on this very newsgroup, so rest assured
for "my" $100/month (grandfathered most likely) I get unlimited texting in Europe (I go to Germany frequently) and unlimited roaming & data.

The only thing I pay for in Europe is twenty-five cents a minute for calls,
if they're not using the Wi-Fi calling feature. Otherwise they're free.

The Experience More 4-phone plan is $170 a
month, and does include features I use. Especially unlimited data. I go easily through over 100 gb a month.

It's good you're looking this stuff up, where, truth be told, I've had
Verizon, AT&T & T-Mobile and they all suck in some way or another.

I'm "grandfathered" on my T-Mobile plan, so my costs aren't likely the same
as a new subscriber would be though. The only thing I'd say about T-Mobile
to "shill" for them is they never required contracts - which I loved.

T-Mobile doesn't even ask you what phone you have.
They don't care.

I like that.

If you get more than Essentials service level for $100 a month I'd like
to see that bill. Redact as required.

I've been talking about my service for a decade on this newsgroup Tom.
Ask anyone here who is reliable (e.g., badgolferman, ant, Steve, etc.).

If you don't trust my words, then that says more about you than about me.
Since nobody has ever found me to ever have lied on this newsgroup.

If you don't trust me, you can run a simple search to find my posts:
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/search?q=t-mobile%20europe%20magenta>
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/search?q=t-mobile%20europe%20roaming>
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/search?q=t-mobile%20europe%20unlimited>
etc.

I haven't changed what I've said in a decade, Tom. Look it up.

As for my Verizon bill it's about $190 a month all-in. The equivalent Experience More T-Mobile plan for 2 phones is $140 + taxes and fees.
But, to that I would need to add the 2 iPads and 5g Home Internet
included in my Verizon bill. Not worth the switch. BTW, my plan is no
longer offered. If Verizon ever kills it I'll probably be looking to
switch. I'll post my bill if you need proof.

I understand. I believe you. I once had Verizon while I was working so the company paid for my Kyocera and for my insurance and then once the Kyocera broke and I was livid that Verizon changed my contract to two more years
when it wasn't my fault that the Kyocera broke. I dropped them after that.

Verizon was fine, mind you, but that one nasty act cost them my service for
the rest of my life most likely. A similar thing happened with AT&T.

After the two years was up, I switched to AT&T which, again, the company
paid for. At the time I had a Blackberry but then I retired and I started paying the bill, but then I bought a "smartphone" where AT&T said I must
have "data" on a smartphone. I explored changing the IMEI so that it
doesn't show it's a smartphone but I decided to complain about AT&T to the
FCC. Again, all this is well documented in the public record, Tom.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/search?q=at%26T%20change%20imei>
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/search?q=at%26T%20fcc%20complaint>
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/search?q=at%26T%20smartphone%20data%20>
etc.

As for ForeFlight, I get that free. The closest competitor is Garmin
Pilot, which I used for several years. It's a great product. I would
need the Garmin Premium upgrade for equivalent features, $210 a year.
Not a deal breaker on cost. However, ForeFlight is the standard in the organization that pays for my subscription.

Again and again, I will never disagree with anyone who knows more than I
do, nor disagree with anyone who makes a logically defensible statement.

If you get great software for free, go for it. Why would I deprecate that.

My only point was that most people don't understand what I understand,
which is that there is no functionality on iOS not already on Android.

Likely one in a billion people understands that fact. Sigh.
Bear in mind, I'd *love* it if someone would *teach me* that the is
actually something else (other than port 445 of course) on iOS.

But so far, nobody on this newsgroup knows more than I do.
Which is pretty sad when you think about it.
--
Port 445 excepted.
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On 8/31/2025 7:34 PM, Tom Elam wrote:

<snip>

Your $30 price is not the price at introduction. Apple and oranges.

What does the Android do that my iPhone won't. One thing the Android
will not do is run ForeFlight.

The document you posted appears to show a 128mb iPhone 12 mini purchased
for $50 + tax and shipping from T-Mobile. How was that possible? Appears
to be subsidized by your plan's cost. Please post the T-Mobile monthly
bill that goes with this purchase.

Marion is unfamiliar with the capabilities of Android devices and how
they vary wildly. Some people think that every Android phone has the
same capabilities, but that is not the case.

Sure, you can buy an Android device for under $60, but it's pretty
crappy. At $200 you can get a decent Android device, and at $400 a
pretty good one. For flagship phones, Android devices can exceed the
price of even the iPhone Pro Max.

I was recently helping someone, looking for a larger screen phone,
decide between an iPhone Pro Max at $1199.00 and a Moto Stylus 5G 2025
at $399.99.

The iPhone 16 Pro Max has a far higher performance processor, so for
things like gaming, photo and video editing, etc., it is much more capable.

The iPhone 16 Pro Max supports mmWave 5G (U.S. models only), the Moto
Stylus 5G does not.

The iPhone 16 Pro Max supports "Find My via satellite," the Moto Stylus
5G does not (Android phones with this feature are the newer Google Pixel devices and the Samsung Galaxy S25). My daughter carries a separate
satellite transceiver for that purpose, when backpacking, but it would
be nice it was built into the phone since that's one less thing to carry.

The iPhone Pro 16 Max supports HDMI out over USB-C, the Moto Stylus 5G
does not.

There are trade-offs with both devices, they really are in totally
different classes, but for use solely as a phone I wouldn't spend the
extra $800 or so.

I made them up a Google Sheets spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SJ0oyH3u0YnO9T0sfy-HUYQojR69EkRQhkGmipkbrU4
I added a sub-$60 Android device for comparison, to help Marion
understand that Android phones are not all the same.

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Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 17:11:19 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :

If you don't trust my words, then that says more about you than about me. Since nobody has ever found me to ever have lied on this newsgroup.

That very statement is a lie. You lie on a weekly basis.
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On Sep 6, 2025, Chris wrote
(in article <109gqvs$2tsid$1@dont-email.me>):

Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 17:11:19 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :

If you don't trust my words, then that says more about you than about me. Since nobody has ever found me to ever have lied on this newsgroup.

That very statement is a lie. You lie on a weekly basis.

Arlen lies on a daily basis.

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On Sat, 06 Sep 2025 07:19:51 -0400, WolfFan wrote :

If you don't trust my words, then that says more about you than about me. >>> Since nobody has ever found me to ever have lied on this newsgroup.

That very statement is a lie. You lie on a weekly basis.

Arlen lies on a daily basis.

Heh heh heh... the Apple trolls call all facts about Apple product, a lie.

Since I post a lot of facts about Apple products, they hate me.
SO be it.

I'm not here to win a popularity contest among the Apple trolls.
They say I lie, because they hate the facts about Apple.

And yet, they can't name a single lie in decades of my Usenet posting.
Not even one.

Fancy that.
They lied. :)

What these two Apple trolls hate (WolfFan & Chris), is I stated the truth
about Apple iPhones, which is that every Android has more functionality.

In fact, there's a ~300-post thread currently actively managed on the Apple m.p.m.i Usenet newsgroups where nobody yet can find more than a single functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android (port 445 excepted).

The Apple trolls *hate* I teach them the truth about their beloved iOS.
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On 2025-09-06 11:19:51 +0000, WolfFan said:

On Sep 6, 2025, Chris wrote
(in article <109gqvs$2tsid$1@dont-email.me>):

Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 17:11:19 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :

If you don't trust my words, then that says more about you than about me. >>> Since nobody has ever found me to ever have lied on this newsgroup.

That very statement is a lie. You lie on a weekly basis.

Arlen lies on a daily basis.

"daily"?!?!?

Try every second of every day. :-\

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2025 09:30:14 +1200, Your Name wrote :

On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 17:11:19 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :

If you don't trust my words, then that says more about you than about me. >>>> Since nobody has ever found me to ever have lied on this newsgroup.

That very statement is a lie. You lie on a weekly basis.

Arlen lies on a daily basis.

"daily"?!?!?

Try every second of every day. :-\

For those on the adult operating system newsgroup in the header, the Apple trolls are herd animals who only want to talk about great Apple emojis.

Every one of the Apple trolls is a MAGA troll: *Make Apple Great Again*

They hate me because I state the truth about their beloved Apple product.
So be it.

I'm not posting to the Apple newsgroups to win an award from Apple trolls.
I'm simply posting the truth, just like I do on all the OS newsgroups.

a. Post the truth about Google on an Android ng & people discuss it.
b. Post the truth about Microsoft on a Windows ng & people discuss it.
c. Post the truth about Apple on an iPhone ng & watch what happens!

It's only on the child-like Apple newsgroup where the truth is anathema.
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2025 08:02:09 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

Not even one.

Top 3 lies:
- there's nothing iOS does that Android can't do
- iphone batteries are crap
- iOS has worse privacy than android

Heh heh heh... every post from the Apple trolls proves my point that they
call all facts about Apple products that they hate, "lies".

I said there's only one thing iOS can do that Android doesn't do.
(which is iOS allows apps to use privileged ports such as SMB 445)

Nobody on the Apple newsgroup has been able to name anything else
that wasn't immediately debunked because they simply name brand names.

The Apple trolls think that an Apple logo on a product is functionality.
It's not. For example, the Apple trolls claim that only Apple products
have electronic payments. They claim only Apple products have
a messages app. They claim only Apple products have a cloud account.

The Apple trolls can't differentiate branding from functionality.

- iphone batteries are crap

Apple's strategy is to put crappy hardware in the iPhone, battery included.
The reason Apple does that is super obvious - which Apple trolls hate.

There has never been an iPhone with even a 5AH battery, where I must remind everyone on the Apple newsgroup that my free April 2021 Samsung Galaxy
A32-5G "el cheapo" phone has a five amp hour battery which is better than
any battery ever put in any iPhone ever sold.

- iOS has worse privacy than android

Of all common consumer operating systems, only iOS requires you to create a privacy-robbing account on the device in order to download apps onto it.

No other common consumer operating system stoops that low to destroy your privacy. Just Apple. (Although Microsoft is certainly trying to do it).

Google also tries to steal your privacy but it turns out Android works
better without hte privacy-robbing account which is different than iOS.

Unfortunately, iOS doesn't work at all without the privacy robbing account.

That's on top of non-phone related lies like "covid has the largest genome"

WTF? Are you Apple trolls that desperate to fabricate excuses for why Apple products pale in functionality and privacy to Android products, Chris?

The genome of SARS-CoV-2 is a single-stranded, positive-sense
RNA molecule. Its length is approximately 29,900 nucleotides,
or about 29.9 kilobases. This places it among the largest known
RNA virus genomes. The genome encodes several functional regions
including two large open reading frames (ORF1a and ORF1b) that
produce polyproteins processed into 16 non-structural proteins,
plus genes for four structural proteins (spike, envelope,
membrane, nucleocapsid) and multiple accessory proteins.

and "I have multiple degrees". lol.

Whether or not I have multiple degrees isn't something you Apple trolls
should be up at arms about unless... hmmm... unless... unless none of you
Apple trolls has achieved the rank of earning something so much as a high school GED equivalency certificate.

The adults on this newsgroup may note that none of the Apple trolls has something as easy to obtain as an undergraduate college degree, which is obvious by what they write in response to fact. It's sophomoric stuff.

The Apple trolls have been told they're stupid their entire lives.
Hence, Apple, who tells them they're a genius, strokes their ego for them.

They're herd animals.

The type that wait outside an Apple store to trade in their old iPhone at
the first chance they get - as they are all classic religious zealots.

Fancy that.
They lied. :)

What these two Apple trolls hate (WolfFan & Chris), is I stated the truth
about Apple iPhones, which is that every Android has more functionality.

In fact, there's a ~300-post thread currently actively managed on the Apple >> m.p.m.i Usenet newsgroups where nobody yet can find more than a single
functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android (port 445 excepted).

False. I found 11 which we've whittled down to about six, including an additional one you found.

Heh heh heh .,... The Apple trolls claim brand names are functionality.
That's how brainwashed the Apple trolls are.

They think only Apple products can play games.
Worse, if you tell them otherwise, they call you a "liar".

There is a reason I've assessed all the Apple trolls as being uneducated.
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2025 10:51:09 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On Sat, 6 Sep 2025 08:32:58 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

Comparing the garbage batteries that Apple historically put in the iPhone >>>> to Android is about as telling as it needs to be given how crappy they are.

In all the years you've made this claim you HAVE NEVER been able to
evidence it. Let alone prove it.

Jesus Christ, Chris. Battery capacity is a number for God's sake.

One you consistently misrepresent.

Can't you abnormal Apple trolls understand something as simple as a number? >> WTF is wrong with you Apple trolls that you brazenly deny a fucking number?

Remember capacity is only one factor. I have shown the evidence many times, but you can't handle genuine facts, despite agreeing with them. You simply prefer your religious anti-Apple dogma.

Just like a petrol tank volume in a car. Think about it. You might have an epiphany.

It's even more telling that Apple had to publicly claim that only Unit 404 >>>> inside of Cupertino was able to eke out an "A" efficiency - while all
public tests revealed actual tested efficiency was no better than a "B". >>>>
Given how outrageous Apple's brazen excuses were, which were essentially >>>> that only Apple can earn an A but even then, they won't tell how they did >>>> it, I'm pretty sure the next round of iPhones will finally earn us an A. >>>

I mean, they wrote a whole technical document about it, but sure they
"won't tell anyone". What a joke!

There's something wrong with you Apple trolls when you can't understand the >> difference between an "A" in efficiency and a "B" in efficiency, Chris.

Who cares that Apple wrote nearly fifty pages of absurdly lame excuses?

Am glad you admit they *did* tell people about it. Your lies are catching
up with you.

WTF is wrong with you strange abnormal Apple trolls, Chris?

Your personal attacks are evidence that you have no argument and your lies are showing.

It goes against Apple strategy to NOT put crappy components into the iPhone
but the EU's very public common-benchmark process is forcing Apple's hand. >>>>
This EU focus on Apple finally being forced to tell the truth... is good. >>>

Enforced regulations are a far better solution than stupid one-off fines >>> that are simply written off as business costs. Thanks to the EU the whole >>> world is benefiting. Now Android manufacturers have to actually support
their devices rather than depend on incomplete, random patches from google. >>> They only do it to save their platform's reputation not for users' benefit. >>

What you strange abnormal Apple trolls can't comprehend is that every
Android 10+ phone is updated monthly forever over the Internet, Chris.

Yet Samsung and Google both admit their phones have limited support.
Project mainline is simply a veneer.

The proverbial "Apple efficiency" was a lie all along.

Another assertion you can't evidence. The only thing you could dig up was >>> about battery *charger* efficiency and wasn't a lie.

The fact remains that Apple felt compelled to write nearly fifty pages of
absurdly lame excuses for why no iPhone has ever earned an A in efficiency.

Nor has your supposed "free" (sic) flawless Galaxy - it would only get a
"C". How shit it that? lol.

Chris,

What no longer shocks me is you deny something as simple as an AH number.
You even stoop so desperately low as to call that AH number, a "lie".

That you do that shows how much you *hate* facts about your beloved iPhone. There's something very wrong with you Apple trolls that you deny a number.
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