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On 2025-08-24 21:57, Marion wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 20:00:52 -0700, Tom Elam wrote :

LOL. An under $50 Android has tiny storage capacity, cannot run the
latest OS, has an outdated processor, and cannot multitask worth a damn.
I know. I bought one like that as a burner phone on a New Zealand
vacation. Piece of shit if there ever was one.

BUT, if it is all you can afford then I glad you have that option.

Heh heh heh... again, your argument is absurd since you think paying $1000 for a phone in and of itself makes it more functional than not paying that.

A diamond-encrusted RED!!!!! Rolex doesn't tell time better than a Timex. Most of the cost is in bullshit marketing meaningless differentiation.

What matters. Is FUNCTIONALITY.

Compare my three 2021 Samsung Galaxy A32-5G Androids (SM-A326U) which cost
me (& anyone else on T-Mo postpaid) about $28.20 to any iPhones ever made.
<https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg>

That you THINK it only cost you $28.20 shows just how ignorant you are.

You paid about $1000 for your iPhone (including tax), right?
I paid about $30 for my Android phone(s).

No... ...you really didn't.

How is it a $30 Android has more functionality than any iPhone ever made?

It doesn't.
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On 8/24/2025 8:00 PM, Tom Elam wrote:

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LOL. An under $50 Android has tiny storage capacity, cannot run the
latest OS, has an outdated processor, and cannot multitask worth a damn.
I know. I bought one like that as a burner phone on a New Zealand
vacation. Piece of shit if there ever was one.

BUT, if it is all you can afford then I glad you have that option.

Marion is unfamiliar with the capabilities of Android devices and how
they vary wildly. Sure, you can buy an Android device for under $60, but
it's pretty crappy. At $200 you can get a decent Android device, and at
$400 a pretty good one.

I was recently helping someone, looking for a larger screen phone,
decide between an iPhone Pro Max at $1199.00 and a Moto Stylus 5G 2025
at $399.99.

The iPhone 16 Pro Max has a far higher performance processor, so for
things like gaming, photo and video editing, etc., it is much more capable.

The iPhone 16 Pro Max supports mmWave 5G (U.S. models only), the Moto
Stylus 5G does not.

The iPhone 16 Pro Max supports "Find My via satellite," the Moto Stylus
5G does not (Android phones with this feature are the newer Google Pixel devices and the Samsung Galaxy S25). My daughter carries a separate
satellite transceiver for that purpose, when backpacking, but it would
be nice it was built into the phone since that's one less thing to carry.

The iPhone Pro 16 Max supports HDMI out over USB-C

There are trade-offs with both devices, they really are in totally
different classes, but for use solely as a phone I wouldn't spend the
extra $800 or so.

I made them up a Google Sheets spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SJ0oyH3u0YnO9T0sfy-HUYQojR69EkRQhkGmipkbrU4
I added a sub-$60 Android device for comparison.


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On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 09:57:00 -0700, sms wrote :

Marion is unfamiliar with the capabilities of Android devices and how
they vary wildly.

Heh heh heh... I actually find Steve funny, in the same way I find Jolly
Roger funny... & in a similarly sad way that I find Alan Baker decrepit.

I often congratulate Steve for putting together his iOS-vs-Android doc.
But that doesn't mean that what Steve puts in that doc is actually correct.

Steve cherry picks.
He's the classic politician who lies simply by ignoring 95% of the facts.

Then, like the consummate politician, he focuses only on his own bias.
There's nothing wrong with Steve focusing only on 5% of the facts.

We just have to be well aware he's a born political animal.
Much like any swindler is a born political animal - Steve lies by omission.

Steve says, for example, that T-Mobile sucks in the mountains compared to Verizon, and he quoted faked uncaptioned charts for years to "prove it".

Then when I point out the facts, Steve claims I don't understand it.
Steve claims all sorts of things iOS can do that Android cannot do.

And yet, not even one of his claims has ever stood the scrutiny of facts.
If someone knows of something iOS does that Android can't do - just say it.

Sure, you can buy an Android device for under $60, but
it's pretty crappy. At $200 you can get a decent Android device, and at
$400 a pretty good one.

I never disagree with anyone, no matter who they are, who makes a logically defensible statement, so I won't disagree that a $60 Android would be crap.

But the high-level point of that statement is simply that *any* Android
phone, by design, has more functionality than any iPhone ever built.

That's the strategic point that the statement was intended to drive home.
It's not about the price of the phone but of the design of the platform.

I was recently helping someone, looking for a larger screen phone,
decide between an iPhone Pro Max at $1199.00 and a Moto Stylus 5G 2025
at $399.99.

I love how Steve throws in his exquisite detail, as Steve is likely the
most comprehensive bargain shopper on this entire set of newsgroups.

I congratulate Steve for finding the best bargains out there he can.
I really do.

I'm a shopper also, but I tend to get my Android phones for free.

The iPhone 16 Pro Max has a far higher performance processor, so for
things like gaming, photo and video editing, etc., it is much more capable.

If we assume Steve's statement that the $1200 phone is faster than the $400 phone, then that supports ONLY the statement that it is *faster*.

But faster does not necessarily mean more capable.
They're two different things.

Even a free Android phone is more capable than any iPhone ever built.
But I'll accept Steve's claim if he says the $1200 phone is "faster".

The iPhone 16 Pro Max supports mmWave 5G (U.S. models only), the Moto
Stylus 5G does not.

Again, I'll agree with any defensibly logical statement, where mmWave
provides extremely fast speeds and low latency, but it has a short range
and struggles with obstacles like walls and trees. Because of that, it's
mostly deployed in dense urban areas, stadiums, airports, and other high-traffic locations where speed and capacity are critical.

Not in the Santa Cruz Mountains where both Steve and I happen to live.

The iPhone 16 Pro Max supports "Find My via satellite," the Moto Stylus
5G does not (Android phones with this feature are the newer Google Pixel devices and the Samsung Galaxy S25). My daughter carries a separate satellite transceiver for that purpose, when backpacking, but it would
be nice it was built into the phone since that's one less thing to carry.

As always I agree with anyone who makes a logically sensible factual claim.

Both platforms support emergency SOS messaging via satellite. On iPhones,
you can text emergency services if a 911 call fails. On Pixels, you can do
the same through Google Messages, with a guided setup and emergency questionnaire.

Both systems are immature but Apple's system is currently simpler & more integrated into its ecosystem. Google's system is more flexible with
broader sharing options. Both require clear skies and are meant for
off-grid use but Google's newer Pixels offer more real-time functionality.

Apple's system uses the Find My app to send your location via satellite
once every 15 minutes. It requires a clear view of the sky and only works
if you've already shared your location with that contact. The location
remains visible for up to 7 days. Apple's system is more passive, while Google's approach allows live location sharing and integrates with more
apps.

Still, Steve brings up good points, but if anyone tries to claim only one platform has satellite communications, they'd be wrong. They're different.

The iPhone Pro 16 Max supports HDMI out over USB-C

Hmmm... I've been mirroring my $50 Android for years and years, Steve.


For free. Without cables. Even an iPhone doesn't need a cable, Steve.


Even so, it's true what Steve says that HDMI out over USB-C lets you
connect your phone directly to a TV, monitor, or projector using a cable.

That means you can mirror your screen, watch videos, give presentations, or play games on a larger display without needing wireless casting or extra adapters in environments where you don't have control over the display.

Android does this too, by the way, and with far more flexibility.

Many Android phones have supported HDMI out over USB-C for years. Most
flagship Android devices like Samsung Galaxy S series, Google Pixel, and
others with USB-C ports that support DisplayPort Alt Mode can do this. Some even support desktop-style interfaces like Samsung DeX, which turns your
phone into a mini computer when connected to a monitor.

There are trade-offs with both devices, they really are in totally
different classes, but for use solely as a phone I wouldn't spend the
extra $800 or so.

Actually, the iPhone can't do half of what Android can do, Steve.
That's one hellova' tradeoff, if you ask me.

In fact, there is only one thing that anyone on this newsgroup has ever
found that the iPhone could do that Android can't do (i.e., port 445).

Worse, the half that the iPhone can do that Android also does, requires
logging into Apple's Cupertino servers just so that it can do those things.

The point being the iPhone tradeoff is that it can't do all that much.
But, as Steve would attest to, and so would I, it does enough for many.

Most people don't do much with their phone, so an iPhone is OK with that.

I made them up a Google Sheets spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SJ0oyH3u0YnO9T0sfy-HUYQojR69EkRQhkGmipkbrU4
I added a sub-$60 Android device for comparison.

Ah... heh heh heh... I knew Steve would throw that document into this.
I can read Steve like I can read a book.

He's an ok guy.

Just remember, he's not your friend.
He's a politician.

He'd swindle you out of a dollar faster than you can find your pockets.
Truth is not something a politician cares about.

While I respect Steve, and while both of us are EE's for example, I am
nothing like Steve in that I simply tell the truth no matter what it is.
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 18:28:27 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

The iPhone Pro 16 Max supports HDMI out over USB-C

Hmmm... I've been mirroring my $50 Android for years and years, Steve.

For free. Without cables. Even an iPhone doesn't need a cable, Steve.

Ooops. I forgot to post the screenshots showing that you can cast your
iPhone or Android phone to a monitor for free without use of any cables.

<https://i.postimg.cc/TYvqdxCT/vysor35.jpg> iOS & Android PC mirroring

My main point about casting is that if you're intelligent, you've always
been able to cast your device (iOS or Android) over to a monitor or TV.

The main difference is Apple marketing is great at advertising you can do
it while Android doesn't even bother to market something that simple.
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On 2025-09-05 11:35, Marion wrote:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 18:28:27 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

The iPhone Pro 16 Max supports HDMI out over USB-C

Hmmm... I've been mirroring my $50 Android for years and years, Steve.
<>

For free. Without cables. Even an iPhone doesn't need a cable, Steve.
<>

Ooops. I forgot to post the screenshots showing that you can cast your
iPhone or Android phone to a monitor for free without use of any cables.

<https://i.postimg.cc/TYvqdxCT/vysor35.jpg> iOS & Android PC mirroring

My main point about casting is that if you're intelligent, you've always
been able to cast your device (iOS or Android) over to a monitor or TV.

The main difference is Apple marketing is great at advertising you can do
it while Android doesn't even bother to market something that simple.

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On 9/5/25 11:28 AM, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

Not in the Santa Cruz Mountains where both Steve and I happen to live.

Timothy C. May should have shot you dead.
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On 9/7/2025 11:29 PM, Reasonable Discourse wrote:

On 9/5/25 11:28 AM, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

Not in the Santa Cruz Mountains where both Steve and I happen to live.

Timothy C. May should have shot you dead.

I am not sure what this is about since I have Marion filtered out, but I
would point out that I do not live in the Santa Cruz mountains.
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On Mon, 8 Sep 2025 21:42:32 -0700, sms wrote :

Not in the Santa Cruz Mountains where both Steve and I happen to live.

Timothy C. May should have shot you dead.

I am not sure what this is about since I have Marion filtered out, but I would point out that I do not live in the Santa Cruz mountains.

While I don't know who "Timothy C" is, I don't care as all the Apple trolls hate me because I tell them the truth about their beloved religious icon.

As for Steve, I think from years' past, he said he lived in Cupertino.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupertino%2C_California>

It's not quite in the Santa Cruz Mountains, but Cupertino borders them. The city sits on the western edge of the Santa Clara Valley, and portions of Cupertino extend into the foothills of the Santa Cruz Mountains. So
depending on where you are in Cupertino, you might be nestled right up
against the forested slopes.

Keeping on topic, I commend Steve for creating & disseminating his document
on the differences in branding between Apple & Android products.

My main concern with Steve's document is simply that Steve knows next to nothing about Android, since even he can't find a single useful
functionality on iOS that isn't already (usually long ago) on Android.

As far as anyone on this newsgroup has ever been able to ascertain, there
is only 1 useful functionality (i.e., port 445) on iOS but not on Android.

Yet, there is tons of useful functionality on Android not on iOS, not the
least of which is the choice of a device with standard basic hardware.

However, in defense of Apple, if you do nothing on the iPhone, then, of
course, it's just as useful as an Android device you do nothing with.

But if you actually have something to do, then you won't be able to do it
with iOS if it's a functionality that Apple doesn't allow on iOS.

Why can't iOS save photos to a user-defined timedate format?
Where are the wifi graphical debuggers on iOS (hint, it's brain dead).
Where are the encryption container tools on iOS (hint, it's brain dead).
Where are the system-wide foss firewalls on iOS (hint, it's brain dead).
Where are the fake gps spoofing apps on iOS (hint, it's brain dead).
Where are the true ad free youtube clones on iOS (hint, it's brain dead).
Where are the historical IPA backup tools on iOS (hint, it's brain dead).
Where are the system wide foss ad blocking on iOS (hint, it's brain dead).
etc.

In summary, there's nothing on iOS not already on Android (445 excepted).
If there was, someone would be able to say it & defend it - but they can't.
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On 2025-09-09 08:05, Marion wrote:

On Mon, 8 Sep 2025 21:42:32 -0700, sms wrote :

Not in the Santa Cruz Mountains where both Steve and I happen to live.

Timothy C. May should have shot you dead.

I am not sure what this is about since I have Marion filtered out, but I
would point out that I do not live in the Santa Cruz mountains.

While I don't know who "Timothy C" is, I don't care as all the Apple trolls hate me because I tell them the truth about their beloved religious icon.

As for Steve, I think from years' past, he said he lived in Cupertino.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupertino%2C_California>

It's not quite in the Santa Cruz Mountains, but Cupertino borders them. The city sits on the western edge of the Santa Clara Valley, and portions of Cupertino extend into the foothills of the Santa Cruz Mountains. So
depending on where you are in Cupertino, you might be nestled right up against the forested slopes.

Keeping on topic, I commend Steve for creating & disseminating his document on the differences in branding between Apple & Android products.

My main concern with Steve's document is simply that Steve knows next to nothing about Android, since even he can't find a single useful
functionality on iOS that isn't already (usually long ago) on Android.

As far as anyone on this newsgroup has ever been able to ascertain, there
is only 1 useful functionality (i.e., port 445) on iOS but not on Android.

Yet, there is tons of useful functionality on Android not on iOS, not the least of which is the choice of a device with standard basic hardware.

However, in defense of Apple, if you do nothing on the iPhone, then, of course, it's just as useful as an Android device you do nothing with.

But if you actually have something to do, then you won't be able to do it with iOS if it's a functionality that Apple doesn't allow on iOS.

Why can't iOS save photos to a user-defined timedate format?

Because it saves the time, date, and location along WITH the photo.

Where are the wifi graphical debuggers on iOS (hint, it's brain dead).

Nope. It's a choice.

Where are the encryption container tools on iOS (hint, it's brain dead). Where are the system-wide foss firewalls on iOS (hint, it's brain dead). Where are the fake gps spoofing apps on iOS (hint, it's brain dead).
Where are the true ad free youtube clones on iOS (hint, it's brain dead).

Nope. It's a choice.

Where are the historical IPA backup tools on iOS (hint, it's brain dead). Where are the system wide foss ad blocking on iOS (hint, it's brain dead). etc.

In summary, there's nothing on iOS not already on Android (445 excepted).
If there was, someone would be able to say it & defend it - but they can't.

The only thing "brain dead" here is you.

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